NBC: Soldier accused of trying to aid al-Qaida
Charged with attempting to pass information to al-QaidaNBC News
Updated: 4:24 p.m. ET Feb. 12, 2004U.S. military and Justice Department officials tell NBC News that a U.S. Army National Guardsman was taken into custody Thursday at Fort Lewis, Wash., and charged with attempting to pass intelligence information to the al-Qaida terrorist network.
Spc. Ryan G. Anderson has been charged with "aiding the enemy by wrongfully attempting to communicate and give intelligence to the al-Qaida terrorist network," U.S. officials told NBC News. The officials said that Anderson was caught up in a sting operation conducted jointly by the Army, the Justice Department and the FBI. Anderson, however, is currently being held and charged only by the Army. Anderson is a Muslim, officials said.
Spc. Anderson, a 26-year-old tank crewmember from the Army's 81st National Guard Brigade, was among the 4,100 troops of the 81st Brigade on their way to Iraq for a one-year deployment.
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February 12, 2004, 06:24 PM
I hope it's not true.
If it is, hang him by the neck until dead. Squeeze him for intel first, of course.
February 12, 2004, 06:44 PM
If only he would have waited for his ETS, he could have had a promising career in Massachusetts politics.
February 12, 2004, 06:47 PM
Score one for Army CI. The crime of Espionage carries the death penalty under the UCMJ. Article 106 (a).
February 12, 2004, 06:55 PM
Let's shoot someb-
Oh, sorry Blues Man.
Let's give him a fair trial under the UCMJ.
February 12, 2004, 07:45 PM
hhmm, i just mingled in the crowds with him last weekend at the 81st Armored Brigade's departure ceremony. who'da thunk it. i feel dirty now. i'll see if i can get some news from my cousin who is going with the 81st in the 161st mechanized infantry.
btw, i think the number of troops is about 3,600, not 4,100. not that it matters a great deal in this case. just a little correction.
February 12, 2004, 08:03 PM
If this proves to be true, I hope they execute him. Make it a Pay-per-view event on TV and distribute the funds raised to the families of slain servicemen.
February 12, 2004, 08:10 PM
Article 104—Aiding the enemy (http://usmilitary.about.com/library/milinfo/mcm/bl104.htm)
2) Attempting to aid the enemy.
(a) That the accused did a certain overt act;
(b) That the act was done with the intent to aid the enemy with certain arms, ammunition, supplies, money, or other things;
(c) That the act amounted to more than mere preparation; and
(d) That the act apparently tended to bring about the offense of aiding the enemy with certain arms, ammunition, supplies, money, or other things.
Maximum punishment. Death or such other punishment as a court-martial or military commission may direct
I'll bite my tongue while he gets a fair trial, but if he's found guilty then I would have no problem lining him up in front of a post and pulling the trigger. My son just joined the Marines and I'll be d#$%d if my sons going to be putting his life on the line for this POS!:fire:
February 12, 2004, 08:22 PM
According to a TV news report about 30min ago, the info he tried to give over was about the capabilities of the armored Humvees we're using over there and the capabilities of Bradley fighting vehicles. Basically he wanted to give Al Quedia information about the weaknesses of our armored vehicles so that they could kill more US troops over in Iraq.
If true, and he is found guilty, he deserves the exact same fate he tried to subject thousands of US troops to- put him in an old armored vehicle and use it for target practice. He deserves to burn and succumb to fumes the same as our guys would have. Of course, that is what he deserves- we are bound to execute him humanely at most and likely he will only get jail time.
February 12, 2004, 09:33 PM
He was a regular poster on an Enfield Collector's Forum I frequent. We had a web page of pictures of the regulars called "The Enfield Addict's Support Group" which *I* hosted. I got a call this PM from a reporter with KXLY TV asking about the pic on my web page and if I knew anything about the guy. It was the first I'd heard of the whole thing. I told then the truth, that I knew him only barely, I knew he was a convert to Islam, but I did NOT know he had joined the NG. They asked if they could use the pic from my web page and I siad NO. I also deleted the pic and the whole page from my server. Now I, and the other folks on that forum may be hearing from "Agent Smith".
If he is guilty, I'l volunteer to be on the firing squad. Heck, I'll even arm the whole squad with Lee Enfields from my own collection.
:fire: :cuss: :fire: :cuss:
February 12, 2004, 10:37 PM
If he is guilty, I'l volunteer to be on the firing squad. Heck, I'll even arm the whole squad with Lee Enfields from my own collection. If he is guilty, PM me, I'll be happy to man a rifle.:fire: :cuss: :fire:
February 12, 2004, 10:44 PM
This is the saddest news of the day.
February 13, 2004, 12:35 AM
Just another John F. Kerry (Viet Nam veteran) supporter.
February 13, 2004, 12:55 AM
If he is found guilty and the gov decides to persue the death penalty Im not against it, but I think its highly unlikely that the would execute him. Im not sure how long its been since the Army has used the death penalty but It has been a very long time and there have been others caught for the same crimes and on a more sever level wich still were not executed. Its possible though maybe a good time to set a example either way it is disgusting to hear that any American let alone a soilder could do this to his own people.
February 13, 2004, 01:17 AM
I agree with Binkus. It's been too long since we as a nation put our foot down on treason. I think this guy, if guilty, should face a firing squad at the minimum. If I had my way, the shooters would all be relatives of those that have already sacrificed their lives for our safety. But I think we all know what he'd likely get if convicted... :cuss:
February 13, 2004, 01:20 AM
Yeah, I had only recently sold the NoIMkIII* Lithgow that I got from him a few months ago, after restocking it and mounting a Weaver K4 scope. Talk about incredible irony, now the dumb kid's got his mug plastered all over CNN and the other news networks. Hope his ranting and raving on the Lee-Enfield forums got him the 15 minutes of fame he wanted. :(
The info that he was alledgedly trying to pass is what really ticks me off. The vulnerabilities of US vehicles for f*** sake! My best friend's son, whom I've know since he was in diapers, is headed over there this summer as an RTO in a transport unit.
Of secondary concern is what kind of attention the rest of us may come under from the State Secret Police. AKA "Homeland Security".
Mr Anderson is the second Muslim soldier from Fort Lewis to be suspected of wrongdoing in the US-led war on terror.
Former Fort Lewis chaplain, Capt James Yee, is accused of mishandling classified material at Guantanamo Bay prison camp, where hundreds of al-Qaeda and Taleban suspects are being held. I wonder if they ever met?
February 13, 2004, 08:57 AM
And wasn't John Muhammad, the DC shooter, also connected to Ft. Lewis?
What's in the water up there?
February 13, 2004, 09:01 AM
Do you know how big Fort Lewis is? It's like a small city, and Muhammed was there years ago.
February 13, 2004, 09:13 AM
The Army chaplain was from that area, Ryan Anderson was in that area. Mohammad was from that area.
On the civilian side, Mike Hawash was from around that area and that Ujaama guy was from somewhere up there, too.
That's five different men all connected to fundamentalist Islam, who did bad things, from around the Washington state area.
I suppose, WA has a higher than average collection of radical Muslims for some reason.
You don't exactly see a pattern of five radical Islamic spies or terrorists all with significant contacts to say Arkansas.
Or at least we haven't yet.
It's like comparing the number of elected socialist gun-grabbing bliss-ninnies from Massachusetts to the number of elected socialist gun-grabbing bliss-ninnies from Wyoming.
Nothing conspiratorial at all, but one place will have a lot more than the other for all sorts of cultural and political reasons.
And apparenlty there's a pocket of radical Islamism in WA state.
February 13, 2004, 09:20 AM
Anderson is in the 81st Armored Bde, WA National Guard, which was activated in Nov. Yee I think had already been arrested at Gitmo by that time. No connection likely.
My wife used to be in the Bde HQ of that unit until the Army (active) moved me here to SC. Bastard can burn in hell. And as an officer, I can't be one of the people actually firing on the firing squad. But if he's guilty, I'll volunteer to be the OIC.
And the military does have a few people, not many, on death row at Ft Leavenworth. When I was there in 2000 for staff school, word was that one had only one appeal left. Haven't heard if he finally got the needle or not.
The biggest reason traitors aren't executed anymore is that they generally confess and give up info on their contacts, which allows more spies to be rolled up. In exchange, they get life in prison. Since apparently this guy went trolling on chatrooms looking for people to give his info to, there's a good chance he won't have any info to offer in exchange for his life.
February 13, 2004, 10:32 AM
Hillbilly actually has a reasonable point. It is one hell of a mother-scratcher of a coincidence. Even if they aren't directly connected, tangential connections can be just as important. For instance, more than one of the guys mentioned could have been indoctrinated by the same individual (or even group) in that area, just at different times.
February 13, 2004, 10:58 AM
I think we should show no mercy towards him. I do think that the capabilities of a Humve and a bradley(why would it be a bradley and not a M1 if he was Armor?) are probably on Janes web site or are already known to the enemy. They have blown up some already. I don't think THAT info has put our troops in danger. I do think that it would have led to more however if it were to go on and the intentions were to get our troops killed. He should be shot for treason.
February 13, 2004, 11:03 AM
If he helped Al Qaeda, he needs to be killed ASAP as does everyone else in that orgnization. Why should we tolerate this stuff? We need some guys like Grant and Sherman to go in and exterminate.
February 13, 2004, 11:21 AM
The Army now uses lethal injection at a brand new facility at Fort Leavenworth. Firing squad or hanging is no longer used.
See Army Regulation 190-55.
February 13, 2004, 11:44 AM
I amaze myself sometimes.
February 13, 2004, 12:03 PM
His lawyer will undoubtedly argue that he didn't actually *do* anything, he was just *planning* to. Which is why I'm not too fond of defense lawyers -- someone has to do it, but it seems too many of them will say and do anything to win at any cost.
I think the Roman Inquisition (not the same thing as the Spanish Inquisition) had a good system: the accused has a right to a lawyer, but lawyers are required to quit and testify against the client if they're convinced of the client's guilt -- and lawyers who defends someone they know to be guilty are considered accomplices to the crime.
February 13, 2004, 9:09 a.m.
Trailing Attempted Espionage
Who is Ryan Anderson, a.k.a. Amir Talhah?
By Michelle Malkin
The baby-faced, high-school yearbook photo of Ryan G. Anderson is deceptively mundane and seemingly innocent. On Thursday, the 26-year-old National Guardsman was arrested after allegedly trying to pass information about military capabilities to al Qaeda over the Internet. A Muslim convert, Anderson was a member of the 303rd Armor Battalion of the 81st Armor Brigade at Fort Lewis, Washington. He will be charged with "aiding the enemy by wrongfully attempting to communicate and give intelligence to the al Qaeda terrorist network," said base spokesman Lt. Col. Stephen Barger.
Who is this suspected al Qaeda sympathizer with the boy-next-door looks? Is he another Johnny Taliban who conspired with foreign terrorists, or is he a traitorous wannabe who got caught playing with fire? Either way, the case underscores the continued vulnerability of the U.S. military to Islamist infiltration.
Thursday night, I did a little Internet digging on the groups.google.com search engine of Usenet discussion forums, which provides some interesting clues about Anderson. Washington State University confirms that he graduated from the school in 2002 with a degree in military history, focusing on the Middle East. Using the e-mail address email@example.com, Anderson posted prolifically to a strange and volatile variety of Internet newsgroups, including forums for gun enthusiasts, skinheads, cinema, games, Islam, and Arabic culture. He offered opinions on everything from the movie Starship Troopers to sniping weapons and presidential politics. Putting aside the chronic misspellings, the 154 messages are an instructive glimpse into the mind of an immature American youth with a potentially dangerous longing to belong. Here's a small taste:
On Oct. 31, 1996, he posted a message to alt.religion.islam with the subject line, "Help! I am looking to convert, but I dont (sic) know where to start!" The message continued:
I do not know if this is unusal, but I am a 19 year old Army Officer Cadet/collage student of German/Irish decent who was raised in a "zombie Lutheran" home (i.e. everyone always followed the religion their fathers followed with no thought otherwise). I began to look at the Middle East as a course of study as I am a steadfast student of history. Seince beginning my Arab History 272 class a number of months ago, Islam has almost literaly called to me. I find myself scrambeling to find any current information, but in a collage of 24,000, 18,000 of which are students, even an English translation of the Qu'ran is quite nearly impossiable to find. I would like to talk to people, but short of walking up to people of obvious Arab decent and asking them if they are of the Faith, I dont know where to start. I would be greatfull to talk to someone, inshallah. Ryan
Nobody replied to Anderson — at least not through the newsgroup. On Sept. 26, 1997, Anderson — now with a new, adopted Muslim moniker-posted to soc.culture.arabic:
Salaam Alaaykum all,
I am a Muslim convert studying at Washington State University for n Asian History Major, my focus is on Arabic nations (they include them under the Asia program here, I have no idea why).
Anyway, I wish to study abroad in a country like Egypt or Turkey this coming summer (1998) or next fall, for a semester. I have done some initial poking around here for leads, but as of yet found little. I have been told that there is an American college in Cairo, and I believe that there may be some programs in Turkey that I would be interested in, but I havnt seen any info for them for a while and I would like to know if they are still avaliable.
Thank you all,
Again, no answer. A lonely Anderson turned to the ladies on Oct. 2, 1997, posting an ad headlined, "Old Fashioned Romantic Seeks Dangerous Woman," to pnw.personals:
Im a well educated, underpayed 20 year old who is sick of meeting all the wrong types. Yes, I will admit I am not the usual "man of the '90s", my dream girl must be a tough, independant minded one who can handle herself and isnt worried about acting "un-lady like". A girl who can handle a blade or a rifle is definitly my type, I my self am a fencer, aspireing sword fighter and gun-slinger with an innate ability to work with old weapons. Other intrests include history and travel, old cars, planes and motorcycles- it has been said I am a bit of a Lawerence of Arabia; passionet and a little eccentric, but in my heart of hearts I need someone I can trust implicitly and love fiercely, knowing those two things are returned in full. Can you fit the bill? My physical tastes are picky, but the more you match my psychological needs, the more I will overlook, I am moderate to good looking, 6'0", 170lbs, brown/green with a Scottish/German/Russian ancestory that shows.
A few days later, apparently reacting to news of the release of Hamas spiritual leader by Israel in a three-way prisoner swap brokered by Jordan's King Hussein, Anderson offered a conspiracy theory posted to soc.culture.somalia, soc.culture.palestine, alt.religion.islam, and alt.culture.somalia:
Is it possiable Mossad replaced the Shiek entirely? With the amount of knowledge they have on people, I wouldnt put it entirely beyond them to be able to substitute an imposter.
If your theory is correct, and Hamas becomes...ineffective, who then, will fill the power vacuume? The days of the PLO being an effective freedom-fighting group is pretty much over, militarily speaking of course.
Pentagon officials told the press yesterday that Ryan Anderson/Amir Talhah developed "some kind of extremist Muslim ideology," which allegedly motivated the American tank crewman to visit extremist Internet chat rooms where he reportedly offered to pass on to al Qaeda 800 pages of documents describing the armor being deployed in Iraq. (According to officials, it doesn't appear he transmitted any information to terrorists.)
In the end, it seems that Anderson finally got someone to answer to his pathetic pleas for attention on the Internet. We can count our blessings that it was federal investigators who nabbed this useless idiot in a sting operation before he had a chance to make friends with America's worst enemies.
— Michelle Malkin is a syndicated columnist and author of Invasion: How America Still Welcomes Terrorists Criminals & Other Foreign Menaces to Our Shores.
February 13, 2004, 02:10 PM
At the same time as we have guys giving up the vulnerabilities of our vehicles, there is a company that wants to send bolt-on auxiliary armor to Iraq for the vehicles; and their efforts are being thwarted by the government. It seems that the armor is not "approved" by the military and thus will not be allowed to be installed on the vehicles regardless of how effective it might be. :rolleyes:
February 13, 2004, 02:31 PM
Apparently, this guy was a regular poster at ar15.com. Makes you wonder if he was a member here as well.
February 13, 2004, 02:49 PM
Here or TFL possibly. I'm sure that the alphabet soup gang is doing a bunch of searches all over the place even as we speak (or type as the case may be :) ).
February 13, 2004, 03:17 PM
WA has a higher than average collection of radical Muslims
Probably of radical anything/anybody. ;) Second only to kommiefornia.
February 13, 2004, 04:44 PM
KING 5 news in Seattle is currently trumpeting his interest in firearms. That he is a suspected death-cult psychotic enabler is of little or no interest apparently. What is important is that we know he had an interest in firearms. I guess they have their priorities straight. I mean it's not like our country is under attack by evil twisted murderous death worshippers. Nah! It's those guns that'll get us.
Oh! Wait a minute! Didn't the left's very own Macy's Parade Balloon point out:
This started out as a documentary on gun violence in
America, but the largest mass murder in our history
was just committed -- without the use of a single gun!
Not a single bullet fired! No bomb was set off, no
missile was fired, no weapon (i.e., a device that was
solely and specifically manufactured to kill humans)
was used. A boxcutter! -- I can't stop thinking about
this. A thousand gun control laws would not have
prevented this massacre. What am I doing?(excerpt from "Tears Down The West Side Highway" By Michael Moore)
I guess that even stupid white men have lucid moments. :rolleyes:
February 13, 2004, 05:01 PM
No doubt this dirtbag was here, check the last line from the last letter "Free men can possess arms, slaves cannot.".
During his time in Pullman, Ryan Anderson had three published letters to The Spokesman-Review. In them, he warned against allowing the government to take away personal freedoms, chiefly the right to own firearms. Those letters are reprinted below.
Some compare our current situation with World War II. However, other than some very basic similarities, there is no comparison.
There are no hordes of enemy tanks and fighter planes. There will be no massive drives against organized, well-equipped, well-defined enemy armies.
Our evil mastermind is a monster of our own creation, much the same as the Columbine shooters. This needs to be a war of hearts and minds, where in order to win we have to defeat ignorance and hatred with information and cooperation. The retribution that is necessary needs to be quick, surgical and effective.
A war in Afghanistan will bleed us dry as it did the Soviets and the British before them.
I fear war for another reason, that being that the elements in our own society who would rob us of our individual liberties and freedoms can use the auspices of national security to steal them. Already in the past century we have given up an alarming amount of individual liberty to feel safe.
No amount of gun control, press restriction or racial or religious profiling will save us from a body count like that of Sept. 11. But if you get a chance to read some of the bills due to go before Congress, some people obviously aren't going to let that stop them from continuing their crusade to save us from ourselves.
Think before calling for indiscriminate war because it may end up being an indiscriminate war on us all.
Walter Becker (Letters, April 22) tries to offer proof that the Second Amendment only applies to the militia, but his reasoning is faulty.
What does he think the militia is? The National Guard? I think not; it's closer to being a standing army than was most of the Royal Army that invaded the then-rebellious 13 colonies!
A militia by definition is an irregular force. It usually includes all able-bodied citizens between the ages of 17 and 45. In simplest terms, a militia is a group of armed citizens who have banded together temporarily to defend their homes and community.
If we went with Becker's interpretation, the Second Amendment would grant a standing army and a police force the right to maintain weapons, a right that has no need to be declared in a document such as the Bill of Rights, even in the 1770s.
I am in favor of intelligent gun control. Should the United States adopt a system along the lines of Switzerland's, I could not be happier. To shooters and collectors like me, it would mean more well-maintained ranges, inexpensive ammunition and, best of all, one free weapon issued to every responsible citizen. But it's not going to happen. Why? Because too many people out there don't mean gun control, they mean total annihilation of private firearms ownership. Until gun control advocates start respecting shooters, we will have no choice but to fight you, tooth and nail, every chance we get.
Once again our eyes and ears are inundated with yet another tragedy, this time in Arkansas, involving the cold-blooded murder of our children by our children.
Although I feel appalled by the carnage, I think I'm even more worried by the response of the citizens of this country. Rather than blaming themselves for allowing their children access to bloody video-games and graphically violent television programs, they choose to blame the easy culprits: firearms.
Our problem these days is that we want to generalize situations and fix problems with a cookie-cutter solution. I don't have all the answers, but I do have some. The solution to the gun issue is to have gun-control spearheaded by level-headed and responsible shooters, people who know and are directly affected by such regulations. Anything else will just be temporary, and doomed to both failure and tragedy.
I fear that my voice, however, is but a calm whisper in a room of angry shouts. Today I am a young soldier, sworn to protect and defend this country, but if tomorrow I find that this nation is no longer the one based upon the freedom I was taught to love, I'll have little choice but to go where I can live in freedom. When you people out there who would give up liberty for safety, stand up to be counted, you'll not find me among you, because you deserve neither. Free men can possess arms, slaves cannot.
Ryan G. Anderson
Published April 9, 1998
February 13, 2004, 05:03 PM
The grabbers will be all over this!!!:cuss: :cuss: :cuss:
February 13, 2004, 08:39 PM
Up here in the Pacific Northwest, we have a term for an inexplicable screw-up or choke job. Anderson would be said to be "cooginit" as that was his destiny once he attended Washington State University in Pullman.:D
Don't worry about the antis using Anderson as their poster child. Once everyone knows he's a Coog, they'll immediately understand that the boy has some serious demons.;)
P.S. Mike Hawash and that gang of idiots are from Portland, Oregon and its surrounding suburbs. That is nearly 200 miles from Ft. Lewis, Washington for the geographically impaired folks from smaller states.
February 13, 2004, 09:13 PM
(SMLE, I'm catching up on you with those SETI results, BTW!)
Ok, see that rifle which the news headlines have been showing? The one where Mr. Anderson is holding up a scoped SMLE? Aaarrrgghhh!
I bought that Lithgow NoIMkIII* rifle from him on my C&R FFL. I've posted it here before, when I put new coachwood on it, and a new scope.
So now, as they've already seized his computer, my email address is there for the investigation to query.
SMLE, I purposely made an appointment and talked to the OSI today, and spelled out my business transaction with our mouth-breathing hero. They may or may not request a copy of my bound book, and want the emails I had from him. I feel genuinely angry that the upstanding members of the old GunAndKnife Lee-Enfield forum, and others, may have their email addresses or websites scrutinized because of one bonehead who figured himself the savior of the Islamic World. And the story gets even more weird as it unfolds... :fire:
Shoot me a PM, I'll let you know what I know from this end. I know your pic of him wasn't necessarily in the public domain for ABC to put on the news. And my rifle... :banghead:
February 13, 2004, 09:37 PM
A turncoat Muslim in the US military. What a surprise.
Religion of Peace, my a$$
February 13, 2004, 09:51 PM
Yikes. This is an odd one. Hopefully the "radical Islamist" angle will trump the "gun nut" angle in the media. After all, he WAS trying to peddle secrets to al-Queda.
Then again, the "gun nut" angle is a pretty PC thing to bring up.
My bet is you'll see "gun nut" brought up as one reason for the "radical Islamism" though I certainly don't see a connection.
What I see, especially in the Michelle Malkin article, is a loner desperate to belong to something.
February 13, 2004, 10:11 PM
The antis will try to link this story to the "gun show loophole" and why we need to close it as soon as possible to stop the "enemy within".
February 13, 2004, 10:23 PM
It seems that the stupid little git was arrested once before.Ryan Anderson walks handcuffed past his rifle after being arrested by a Snohomish County Sheriff in this May 22, 1998 file photo when police responded to a call of a man with a firearm near an elementary school near Everett, Washington. U.S. Army Spc. Ryan Anderson, a recent Muslim convert, was charged on February 12, 2004 with trying to pass military secrets to the Islamic militant group al Qaeda after being caught in a sting operation, military officials said on Thursday. http://ak.imgfarm.com/images/reuters/mdf471374.jpg
February 13, 2004, 10:26 PM
Maybe they will do as much to this guy as they did to THIS GUY (http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?s=&threadid=53508).
February 13, 2004, 10:28 PM
In the meantime, there's THIS (http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?s=&threadid=56218&highlight=bomb) while he's trying to expose the weakness of our vehicles.
February 14, 2004, 10:09 AM
Assan Akbar (original name: Mark Fidel Kools), soldier in the 101st who attacked a bunch of other soldiers with grenades in Iraq. Killed 1 and injured 15. Apparently converted to Islam in California.
John Allen Mohommed (original name: John Allen Williams), ex-soldier and convert to Islam who was the DC "sniper." Found guilty & sentenced to death.
Captain James Yee, converted to Islam in Syria, accused of Espionage, looks like JAG botched their case and went for some lesser included offences instead. Oddly enough, was big into adultery and downloading internet porn using government computer networks.
Add Ryan G. Anderson (aka Amir Talhah), currently serving soldier and recent convert to Islam who apparently tried to sell secrets to Al-Qaeda.
U.S. Military converts to Islam (as opposed to folks just brought up that way) are building quite a track record there. Especially when you consider the tiny proportion of the U.S. military they make up at any time. Contrast this with the apparent lack of anti-American violence from Muslim citizens of the U.S. in general. Much bigger pool of people than Muslims in the military, obviously.
February 14, 2004, 10:21 AM
Contrast this with the apparent lack of anti-American violence from Muslim citizens of the U.S. in general.
You make a good point. I wonder how readily these people would've "converted to "Budism" during WWII?
How many german speaking people do you suppose walked around saying how our involvement was wrong?
Do you suppose they would've been met with cheers?
I wonder how Kerry would've done running against Ike saying the things like he was against GW?
February 14, 2004, 10:29 AM
My bet is you'll see "gun nut" brought up as one reason for the "radical Islamism" though I certainly don't see a connection.I think you are right. They'll probably jump on the gun nut as the main reason though. They have to be sensitive to religion, so they'll push hard on the gun nut angle.
February 14, 2004, 11:07 AM
Well, if we weren't under surveillance before, we sure as hell are now.
February 14, 2004, 11:28 AM
They need to hang this idiot by the tender parts. I'll volunteer to do the job.
:fire: :fire: :fire: :cuss: :cuss: :cuss:
February 14, 2004, 12:46 PM
none so radical as a convert. I should know, for a time in my teens I was a convert to quite fundamentalist Christian values (not necessarily saying there is an equivalence) and went in for telling people that I thought they would be going to hell etc. The folly of even younger youth than my present state huh?
You won't find me complaining about whatever is decided to be done with this guy if he is found guilty. Realistically I have doubts that many on this thread will be satisfied with his punishment.
Bad luck to all that have had dealings with him, I hope that the investigators will not even bother perfectly respectable firearm forum posters who have nothing to do with this in any way.
February 14, 2004, 01:48 PM
there's a pocket of radical Islamism in WA state.The entire left coast. Johnny Jihad bin Walker was from Kommiefornia. Millions of dollars for terrorist cells are raised in Mosques in Kommiefornia and elsewhere. Wasn't there a killing of an El Al ticket agent in LAX?
Oregon had a group that infiltrated the Oregon National Guard. Subsequently members of that group traveled to (I think it was China) in order to try to help the Taliban in Trashcanistan.
Any jihadists in WA state that may be lurking here, please feel free to PM me. Maybe you could come on by the house. I've got something special for you. :fire: :cuss: :fire:
February 14, 2004, 01:52 PM
Realistically I have doubts that many on this thread will be satisfied with his punishment.Sad, but prophetic words St. Johns.
February 18, 2004, 12:21 PM
It's true that just about all the Muslims charged with some form of treason have been converts- most Muslims around here are immigrants and too busy trying to build a life for themselves to get involved with the stupidity they ran from in the old country. Apparently this guy tried to get involved with some local Muslim online groups but was basically told to get lost when he started trying to promote his "rifle shooting for Muslims" classes.
As far as Yee goes, it's become clear that this is another Federal political prosecution. The government keeps asking to postpone the trial while it tries to figure out whether the "classified" materials he had were really classified or not. They have long since given up any claim that he was trying to pass information to a foreign entity. If they prosecuted every soldier who committed adultery or surfed for porn on a government computer while stuck in a lonely, isolated posting, the military would have to close up shop! It seems that there's just something about the Feds that makes them think that they have to convict a defendant of something once they accuse him, even when it's obvious that the original charges were a mistake. Why can't they just admit the mistake and walk away?
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