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Spot77
February 12, 2004, 07:20 PM
I'm so used to this crap it doesn't even bother me anymore....:(

http://www.thewbalchannel.com/politics/2812245/detail.html

State Lawmakers Consider Banning Replica, BB Guns
Legislators Consider Bill After Toy Guns Were Used In Crimes

POSTED: 4:34 PM EST February 2, 2004

ANNAPOLIS, Md. -- A bill taking aim at toy guns is picking up steam among some Maryland lawmakers. The legislation would ban the sale of toy guns that look like the real thing and the sale of pellet and BB guns would also be outlawed, WBAL-TV 11 News reporter David Collins reported.

Baltimore City Delegate Curt Anderson, D-District 43, is co-sponsoring legislation ( House Bill 45) that leaves nothing to chance. The bill would impose a statewide ban on the sale toy guns that resemble real firearms. The prohibition would include BB and pellet guns and, in effect, take toys out of the hands of children, Collins said.

"We want to take toys that look like real guns off the market, and in that sense, yes, it does take dangerous toys away from kids," Anderson said.

Parents are split on the issue.


"I'd be afraid [of] a toy gun, I'd be afraid even if it looked like a toy gun. In the dark, you could never tell," Cassandra Gilmer said.

Baltimore City Delegate Wants To Take Toy Guns Off The Market

"My personal feeling is that banning something is not the best way to handle a situation. I think that parents have the responsibility to teach their children about the responsible use of guns," Marlyn Drey said.

"If you do sell toys that look like the real thing, it might encourage the violent behavior, and also kids might be confused about what's real and what's not," Annapolis resident Kelsey Berdeguez said.

Last April, a 7-year-old boy used a toy gun (pictured, above left) in an alleged attempt to rob an Anne Arundel County video store. Police thought the weapon was real and wrestled the child to the ground to disarm him. Last November, Annapolis City Alderwoman Cynthia Carter set aside a city proposal to ban toy guns in an effort to gain more support.

"The whole thing smacks of political correctness," Annapolis Alderman Bob Toronto said in debate of the proposed city bill on Nov. 10, 2003.

Anderson's House bill has influential co-sponsors, in addition to the momentum of a number of toy stores who have voluntarily agreed to stop selling the look-alike guns.

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Cliff
February 12, 2004, 07:39 PM
I'd like to testify against this one also.:D

spartacus2002
February 12, 2004, 08:46 PM
you have GOT to be F***ing kidding me :fire:

RAY WOODROW 3RD
February 12, 2004, 08:52 PM
Are you trying to obtain "worst state for a gun owner" status or what. The problem is that YOU ARE getting used to these possible laws. That's what they want. I know. I live in New Jersey!

Spot77
February 12, 2004, 09:13 PM
Yup....we've been fighting this horrendous state awb bill that they're trying to ram down our throats in anticipation of the federal awb sunset. I think we put up one hell of a fight; they're supposed to vote on it today.:banghead:

chaim
February 12, 2004, 09:19 PM
Are you trying to obtain "worst state for a gun owner" status or what.I'd say that unless something happens (and the outrage over the AWB may have hopefully woke MD gun owners up, but I'm not holding my breath) that is exactly where the MD state legislature is taking us. I mean come on- banning BB and pellet guns!:what:

Heck, we kind of feel like we had a major victory simply because the state's Senate's Judiciary committee has put the MD AWB (which would possibly ban all semi-auto rifles and pistols) on hold- that is they have tabled it for now. They can always bring it back anytime this session since it wasn't specifically rejected and if it ever gets out of committee and to the floor the gun-grabbers have more than enough votes on the floor of both the House of Delegates and Senate to get this thing passed and they may even have enough to override a possible veto (and there is no gaurantee that Ehrlich will veto). The built-in lock law outlaws most new guns. We have a 7 day waiting period. We have a one a month law. We.....



The problem is that YOU ARE getting used to these possible laws. That's what they want.Yeah, I know. The one undecided guy in the committee hearing the new AWB proposed a "compromise" which would simply be the federal AWB and my first thought was- oh well, better than what we almost had. It took me a second or two to realize what I was thinking.


I do hope that the great turnout to help fight the MD AWB may simply be a sign of the political awakening of MD gunowners. There were a lot of us there, we outnumbered the other side by quite a bit, and the grabbers were going all out to get this thing passed- heck, here in MD simply putting a bill on hold that the other side was putting so much into is a victory. I hope we will slowly turn the tide, and maybe instead of just fighting new restrictions we can move soon to repealing old ones and getting CCW. Of course, back on Earth- it will be a long hard fight, and we have barely started to even stem the tide, but one must be optimistic.

PAshooter
February 12, 2004, 10:15 PM
...and there is no gaurantee that Ehrlich will veto

The governor has said... in so many words... that if SB 288 passes - even in its "watered down" form (which echos the hopefully-soon-to-expire Federal AWB) he will veto it. I believe him. Whether or not there are enough votes to override his veto is anyone's guess.

Ehrlich calls this bill (SB288, that is) "a political statement dressed up as a bill." That's exactly what it is. Keep on truckin' guys.

Oh, and as for banning toy guns - did y'all read the quote from the original post about the kid that tried to hold up a convenience store with a toy gun? It said: "...Police thought the weapon was real and wrestled the child to the ground to disarm him."

Oh the horror! Wrestled to the ground! My God, how traumatic for the poor dear. I smell a law suit here.

Damned kid's lucky the cop didn't plug him.

This state sucks. Cops should have plugged him... it's called the Darwin effect, and it's a sure cure for thugs (or thuglets) who think armed robbery is a good way to make a quick buck.

Please accept my apology for the rant, but I've had it up to here with this nanny state that stomps on rights and coddles criminals.

I'm better now :D

Standing Wolf
February 12, 2004, 10:21 PM
If you do sell toys that look like the real thing, it might encourage the violent behavior...

You can always count on leftist extremists to misunderstand cause and effect.

Michigander
February 12, 2004, 10:22 PM
Will the legislation follow to allow CCT (Carry of a Concealed Toy)?

Spot77
February 12, 2004, 10:29 PM
No....but in all seriousness you can bet somebody will propose a bill to make it a misdemeanor to carry a concealed toy gun....I'm not so sure it isn't illegal already.

anapex
February 13, 2004, 09:05 AM
Will the legislation follow to allow CCT (Carry of a Concealed Toy)?

Yes but only if you can document an attack by an imaginary monster or if you regularly carry more then $3000 in monopoly money.

spartacus2002
February 13, 2004, 09:39 AM
Do the sheeple of Maryland WANT these laws, or do none of them ever write their state reps to say "knock it off"?

cnemikeman
February 13, 2004, 10:07 AM
MD. laws DO suck........ which is why I finally gave up on it and moved to another state. The big problem is that many of the gun owners throughout the state have that " as long as it isn't my hunting rifle or shotgun, I don't care" attitude...... so stupid laws like this get passed due to apathy. UGH......


MiKeMaN

PAshooter
February 13, 2004, 10:12 AM
The short answer to your question spartacus is yes... the sheeple hereabouts do want these laws... it makes them feel safe. The sheeple in these parts consist mainly of upper-middle class suburbanites living in the densely populated DC suburbs... many make their living off the Federal teat - either directly or by working for the many Beltway Bandit companies that ring I-495. These folks are the epitome of soccer moms and yuppie dweebs... many are scared of their own shadows and want desperately to feel as though their beloved government is taking care of their every need from cradle to grave. Then there's another large segment of the population - one that we can't talk about without being called politically incorrect (at best) or racist (at worst). This group of people also lives at government expense and can reliably counted upon to vote Democratic 99% of the time... so long as the checks keep coming. The Dems, for their part, have for decades done everything in their power to keep this group dependent on government largesse so that they can be counted on to deliver the vote come election time.

Unfortunately these two blocks of voters have had a stranglehold on Maryland's government for decades. Yes, there are real Americans living in this state...folks who work hard, accept responsibility for their own lives and livelihood, and respect both liberty and the personal responsibility that comes along with it. And we work hard at trying to make the socialist-dominated political machine in Annapolis respect our rights as well... but we're sorely outnumbered and it's an uphill battle.

Spot77
February 13, 2004, 10:41 AM
I don't think God himself could've said it better, Mdshooter

PAshooter
February 13, 2004, 10:51 AM
Aww shucks Spot. Sometimes when I think about the political situation here I just get so riled up that rant mode overtakes me and the words just flow out. But thanks for the compliment.

Werewolf
February 13, 2004, 11:05 AM
MdShooter's post begs the question of whether or not in the future some states will become "ghetto" states.

If eventually the self reliant and productive citizens of those nanny states get fed up and move in large numbers to states more friendly to their lifestyle and moral values what happens to the states they leave? How will the nanny states pay the bills when all the tax paying productive folks leave and all that's left are those sucking on the government teat?

Spot77
February 13, 2004, 11:09 AM
Simple....two words:

Slot Machines

cnemikeman
February 13, 2004, 11:21 AM
Spot......

Ouch.......that one will leave a mark. :)


MiKeMaN

echo3mike
February 13, 2004, 11:40 AM
What mdshooter's saying is abso-friggin'-lutely correct.

Maryland has some rural areas that rival any others in the surrounding states, both in sheer physical beauty and population demographics. The painful truth that mdshooter spoke about can be witnessed in the 2002 Gubernatorial election map:

http://www.baltimoresun.com/media/graphic/2002-11/5350356.gif

Prince George's County and Baltimore Cities have immense minority populations (and oddly enough, the majority of gun crimes committed statewide); Montgomery County is laden with liberal soccer sheep. But the counties north and west of Montgomery (and a few Eastern Shore counties) are for all intents and purposes rural farmland. Sadly we're the ones paying for the B.S. those three small blue areas enforce upon the rest of us.

S.


Slot Machines...ROTFLMAO

MikeK
February 13, 2004, 11:45 AM
Let's see - If SB 288 passes in it's present form with the worst possible interpretation a good number of my real guns become illegal/registerable and now I have to worry about my pellet guns.

When I was growing up all of the kids in the neighborhood had real looking toy guns. None of us tried to hold up stores. I guess the toys now are more realistic looking and that's why kids atempt robberies with them. It couldn't have anything to do with their upbringing.

Another trip to Annapolis.

PAshooter
February 13, 2004, 11:48 AM
Sadly the blue areas also represent the regions of the state with the highest population density, so their influence is disproportionate to their apparent size. Truly a situation where the tail wags the dog... :mad:

Cliff
February 13, 2004, 01:21 PM
You might wanna put a dab of red about midway in that Prince Georges blue. That dab will be me.;)

Then there's another large segment of the population - one that we can't talk about without being called politically incorrect (at best) or racist (at worst). This group of people also lives at government expense and can reliably counted upon to vote Democratic 99% of the time... so long as the checks keep coming.

MDShooter,
I suggest you not bite your tongue in the future. We all know that segment of population is mostly black. So what? I'm not offended. I'm a black guy,not a African-American guy. You see a spade,then call it a spade. If folks can't take it then they can leave the forum,as I'm sure some folks have. Both me and the missus are red republicians in a sea of blue democrats who just happen to be black. And we catch a lot of flack cause we don't go along with the democratic/NAACP BS that has warped the minds of so many blackfolk over the decades.
Remember, your not gonna offend every black guy you meet. If you care to take the time and engage in conversation,you might be see that there's agreement on a lot of issues. We have got to stop thinking that just because a person looks like everyone else in a group,that he and or she goes along with the herd mentality of that particular group.

Sorry folks, rant off.:banghead:

Moondancer
February 13, 2004, 01:31 PM
If more people were gun nuts like us, then there would be less people who would mistake a toy gun for a real one!

Thuglet with toy gun: "This is a hold-up!"
Citizin: "Bite me."

PAshooter
February 13, 2004, 02:23 PM
Cliff:

My sideways reference to the Baltimore City and PG County "blue group" was meant somewhat tongue-in-cheek... and in deference to the title of this thread :D

I have no problem calling a spade a spade when the need be... and also know that true Americans (as discussed in my rant) come in all shapes, sizes, genders, and colors. All of whom I am proud to call my brothers (and sisters) in arms.

No need to apologize for your "rant."

TimRB
February 13, 2004, 06:16 PM
"If more people were gun nuts like us, then there would be less people who would mistake a toy gun for a real one!"

I dunno about that, but I do remember a couple of kids pulling alongside my motorcycle at a stoplight once who scared the sh*t out of me with a rather impressive squirt gun.

Doesn't mean I want to ban them, though. And yes, they blasted me.

Tim

Nightfall
February 13, 2004, 07:44 PM
Can you imagine being a kid who has to grow up being conscious of the fact that he could get in legal trouble because of the way his toy gun looks? That's like a child having to worry about the AWB each time he wants to play cops and robbers or GI Joe. :(

Then again, maybe gov't just wants to get them used to the idea of extreme gun restrictions at an early age. :rolleyes:

greyhound
February 13, 2004, 10:05 PM
I do hope that the great turnout to help fight the MD AWB may simply be a sign of the political awakening of MD gunowners

From what I have heard and read, the opposition of the Maryland State Police (who have a lot of clout about firearms in MD) had a lot to do with the tabling of the bill. At least with Sen. Garagiola(sp?) who was the swing vote. Though the turnout in addition to many police orgs opposing the bill (though a big BOOO to Howard County -like they have lots of AK-47 shootouts in Howard County:rolleyes: ) is a good sign.

Spot77
February 14, 2004, 03:22 AM
Garagiola was the SPONSOR of the AWB bill....it was his baby. Gianetti was the swing vote and hs "official" stance was that he favored nothing more than he federal AWB....no biggie...I can see how anybody could get the two names mixed up.....

All of the Anti's testimony was either pure lies, or cliche words to swing the uninformed. They threw out every "anti" catch phrase for the tv cameras...."Street sweepers", "hosing down an area" referring to firing from the hip), and "weapons of mass destruction".....


Don't feel too secure though, this bill is still possible

greyhound
February 14, 2004, 09:20 AM
Oops, thats right. I got em mixed up.

Will they have to give notice if its brought back up, or can they try to hustle it through?

whm1974
February 14, 2004, 06:49 PM
"If you do sell toys that look like the real thing, it might encourage the violent behavior, and also kids might be confused about what's real and what's not," Annapolis resident Kelsey Berdeguez said.

How? When I was a kid I knew better then to point a toy gun at a cop.

MD. laws DO suck........ which is why I finally gave up on it and moved to another state. The big problem is that many of the gun owners throughout the state have that " as long as it isn't my hunting rifle or shotgun, I don't care" attitude...... so stupid laws like this get passed due to apathy. UGH......

In the first place the only diffefrit between an hunting rifle or shotgun and a Military looking weapons is looks. The bolt action hunting rifle used to be standerd military equiment.

Bill Meadows

spartacus2002
February 14, 2004, 06:55 PM
Here's a question to put to the hunters and bolt-action guys who won't fight for assault rifle rights:

Q: why should ALL gun owners fight against any Assault Weapon Bans, even those who don't own assault weapons?





















A: because once all assault weapons are banned, those centerfire, scoped, bolt-action target and hunting rifles will be labelled "Sniper Rifles" and will be the next to be banned.

Norton
February 14, 2004, 11:26 PM
Spartacus has got it right ladies and gentlemen......just like states keep building roads just because the politicians need to bring home the bacon for their states (IOW....they build the road just to spend the money) they will keep going after different classes of guns until they are all gone. The politicians need SOMETHING to do....even if there is no real need for their actions....it's the perception that's important.

What was that reflection about the Holocaust? "First they came for the Jews, but I was not a Jew and I did nothing._ Next they came for the Catholics, but I was not a Catholic .."

This is exactly what I see happening with regards to gun grabbing.....first the machine guns, then the guns that didn't "look right", then all semi-autos, then the "sniper" rifles, etc, etc.

What can we do? We have to make gun control a 3rd rail subject.....touch it and your dead (figuratively). Every gun control measure that comes up has to be met with the stiffest of opposition.......1800 phone calls like last week, 200 people showing up to speak before the state Senate. I am becoming nearly a one issue voter. I figure that as long as I can protect my RKBA, at least to the extent currently possible in MD, the other issues are secondary. Besides, just about any pro-2nd politician is likely to agree with me on most other issues.

Cliff
February 15, 2004, 12:59 AM
Yeah, what Norton said.:D

whm1974
February 15, 2004, 06:42 PM
Q: why should ALL gun owners fight against any Assault Weapon Bans, even those who don't own assault weapons?

Because they can define any weapon as an Assault Weapon.

Bill Meadows

Norton
February 15, 2004, 10:19 PM
Because they can define any weapon as an Assault Weapon.


Exactly right....the MD ban had the language so loosely written that eventually just about any firearm short of a blunderbuss would have been an assault weapon.

echo3mike
February 16, 2004, 05:37 AM
15 Feb 04
Just a quick update as to what is going on with SB 288, the Assault Weapons Ban. The bill was scheduled to be voted on yesterday, however it was held at the request of the sponsor. This is good news for our side, since it means that they thought they had the votes when they scheduled it, but they didn't by the time it came up for a vote. Undoubtedly, your activism played a role in this bill being held for now. It could still be voted on at any time, but we've definitely slowed its progress. I'll keep you posted as to what is going on.

Thank you for your support of the Second Amendment.

Nancy


So... that's where we are.

S.

Norton
February 16, 2004, 07:40 AM
I got the same email....I wonder if the wife wouldn't mind moving to Cecil County and commuting to Annapolis to work:p Sen. Jacobs is quickly turning out to be one of my favorite people.....not only does she say the right things (from our perspective) when asked, but she also does pro-active things like this to show that she actually believes in what she's saying.

Along these same lines, anyone at the Timonium show notice the lady running for office against Dutch Whatshisname? Again I'm encouraged by the current crop of politicians that are openly courting gun owners in this state. Granted they are a minority, however even a minority is better than the historical number who did so.

Spot77
February 16, 2004, 07:59 AM
www.janebrooks.org


She's running for congress in the 2nd district, which just happens to be mine. It also covers a strange shaped area.....up through Dundalk, Rosedale, Middle River all the way up to Aberdeen, and then doglegs around Baltimore City to cover what looks like Cockeyesville, Pikesville and maybe part of Reisterstown.



Well....if they can still vote on SB288 at any time, I'd say we shouldn't lay off of the emails and phone calls......they'll sucker punch us when we're not looking.

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