What .308 semi-autos meet these criteria?


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Skribs
March 9, 2012, 03:38 PM
I'm more window-shopping at the moment, but I'm just trying to get a rough idea of what options I have within the following constraints:

-.308 Winchester
-Semi-automatic
-14.5"-22" barrel
-Detachable Magazine
-Less than $2000
-New

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Cmeboston
March 9, 2012, 03:47 PM
M1A

TurtlePhish
March 9, 2012, 03:47 PM
Some AR-10 variants.

The Sarge
March 9, 2012, 03:54 PM
Saiga
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v647/sgtgeek/Saiga308steelmagazines001.jpg

Bobson
March 9, 2012, 03:56 PM
I'm pretty sure the FNAR meets all those criteria, though my understanding is its a bit heavy.. something like 9 pounds. My brother bought one about a month ago and he loves it. He spent $1500 IIRC, from a LGS in Colorado, and that was with a 4-16x Nikon Monarch mounted.

ISO1600
March 9, 2012, 04:02 PM
There are several AR10 variants that fit that criteria, but not by much.
FNAR like mentioned above will meet it.
M1A in a few trim levels.
PTR-91 (HK91/G3 clones)
DSA-58 (FN FAL clones)

Skribs
March 9, 2012, 04:03 PM
Which specific AR-10 variants are we talking about?

There are already a few that have been mentioned that weren't on my radar (or that are clones of ones I had forgotten about), glad I asked!

Rob G
March 9, 2012, 04:09 PM
VEPR - $800 to $1500 depending on how fancy you want it.

Bobson
March 9, 2012, 04:15 PM
Which specific AR-10 variants are we talking about?
The DPMS LR 308 and RRA LAR-8 are a couple. The DPMS runs around $1100+, the RRA is closer to $1500+ (these prices are without optics). I'm sure there are several others. I have no experience with any of them, so I can't speak to their level of quality.

Jimcat
March 9, 2012, 05:07 PM
That's a pretty big range of battle rifle that you are mulling over.

If you could lay out a bit more criteria of what you like to shoot that might help the experts in the forum give you some solid answers. That and doing some solid research in previous posts.

I know that has certainly saved me several $$$$.

Robert
March 9, 2012, 05:14 PM
Dsa FAL

JHenry
March 9, 2012, 05:19 PM
almost every 308 has a variant that falls into that category

ol' scratch
March 9, 2012, 07:45 PM
All of the rifles I can think of fall into that catagory. As far as my personal preferances, I would say M1A or an FAL. As far as the FAL, go with one of the flavors that suits you from DSA. I really like my DSA STG58 Austrian. It is a GREAT RIFLE that I love to shoot. The FAL has an adjustable gas system which was the feature that clinched it for me.

helotaxi
March 9, 2012, 08:21 PM
Browning BAR Short-Trac. It isn't "tactical" but it's a darn fine rifle.

Dean1818
March 9, 2012, 09:28 PM
Bushmaster 308 MOE

barnbwt
March 9, 2012, 11:24 PM
An FNAR (based on Browning BAR, not an AR) would serve you well, provided you aren't gallavanting anywhere far with it (they are heavy). Granted, I don't think I'd want to hike far with any .308 SA on my back. The worst thing about this gun is how fast I can blow through a box of .308 if you don't pace yourself.

The trigger is decent, not as good as my Rem 700, of course, but not a handicap, either. I've heard the pistol grip ergos bother some folks, as does the need for a tall bipod/bags when shooting supported. Tearing these down for thorough cleaning isn't the bugaboo everyone makes it out to be, just do it on a clean, well lit workspace, like you should when servicing any firearm. I fired about 500 rounds since cleaning it after buying it, tore it down again, and found carbon levels still very low aside from the piston face, implying this gun can go a pretty long time between detailed cleanings. I've had zero malfunctions. Just run patches down the bore and accessible parts of the action after use, and strip it down once or twice a year. I've shot groups as small as 1 MOA (I am a 1 MOA shooter at present), and entire 20rnd clips into a 3" circle at 100yrds in under a minute (not often, though $$$). Ejection has been very gentle on brass, especially compared to military platforms.

The rifle is a joy for delivering sustained, accurate firepower out to respectable ranges. I'm not sure what pigeon-hole this places the rifle (high-volume varmint rifle:confused:) or what purpose FNH developed it for. Despite its black furniture, it would be poorly suited for sustained field (ab)use as a military rifle.

I was able to get my heavy barrel version barely used with a 10 & 20rnd mag for 1000$, on Gunbroker. I have noticed more folks marking new ones up to as much as 1600$ of late, about 300$ higher than I remember seeing last year when I made my purchase. Take your time, and you should be able to find one of these for just over a grand. Try to get a seller to throw in another magazine for good measure.

TCB

Lee D
March 10, 2012, 12:19 PM
M1A

GCMkc
March 10, 2012, 12:43 PM
PTR-91 series rifles. Roller-lockers will prevail in this thread! :evil:

They have many different models and fit all of your criteria. Plenty of accessories and mags. Once you buy one, you'll want another.

MachIVshooter
March 10, 2012, 12:54 PM
almost every 308 has a variant that falls into that category

This.

Only the higher end stuff is over $2,000, and pretty much all of them meet the rest of your criteria.

I personally prefer the AR-10 (Armalite), but there are many good options.

Tell us a little more about what you'd like in your rifle, and we can help narrow the selection.

ol' scratch
March 10, 2012, 08:08 PM
PTR-91 series rifles. Roller-lockers will prevail in this thread! :evil:

They have many different models and fit all of your criteria. Plenty of accessories and mags. Once you buy one, you'll want another.
Once I bought one, I couldn't sell it fast enough. Just saying.

Bore Rider
March 10, 2012, 08:22 PM
M1A Standard rifle.

Isaac-1
March 10, 2012, 08:29 PM
I read somewhere that there was a new AK import shown at the years SHOT show in .308, reportly importation will be starting this month.

Strange Bob
March 10, 2012, 08:46 PM
I posted nearly the same thing last year.

http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=590816

I had the same criteria but have been squirreling back funds to go ahead and get a LaRue Predator 18" barreled rifle. Wasn't happy about different criteria of other offers that are out there and decided to just get the best. Don't hurt keeping my money in Texas either. I really considered a DPMS but talked myself out of it. Hopefully will order this late spring.

Driftertank
March 10, 2012, 11:23 PM
I think the question for the OP should be "what KIND of rifle do i want?" since, as has been stated, most of the "battle rifles" meet his requirements.

Like pretty wood stocks? M1A
Like drilling sub-MOA holes? AR-10
Want a gun that will work every time whether you clean it or not? FAL
Want cheap mags and a simple operating system? HK/CETME/PTR91

Mine's a PTR. I won't tell you how much i like it. Don't want to get labelled as a fanboy.

But frankly, give me the option of any of the classic battle rifles, and i wouldn't turn any of them down. They're all powerful, versatile platforms, each just has it's strengths and weaknesses.

C'Thulhu
March 11, 2012, 12:26 AM
Kel Tec RFB.

TurtlePhish
March 11, 2012, 12:33 AM
Kel Tec RFB.

It's a myth! There've been more sightings of Bigfoot than there have of the RFB! ;)

C'Thulhu
March 11, 2012, 12:39 AM
Turtle, I said the same until mine came in last month. Its worth the wait, even if there are under 3000 of them.

MachIVshooter
March 11, 2012, 01:19 PM
Kel Tec RFB.

MSRP is well under $2k, but street price has not been in most places.

I want one bad, but I'm not willing to pay $2,500 for it.

C'Thulhu
March 11, 2012, 02:52 PM
Where are you seeing $2500? I got mine for $1600. Even at the highest on GB they typically sell for $1800.

Odinforever2000
March 11, 2012, 06:13 PM
MSRP is well under $2k, but street price has not been in most places.

I want one bad, but I'm not willing to pay $2,500 for it.
Id have to agree. Under 2k for an RFB is fairly common (unless you live in Canada) and I also found mind at about 1500.

The War Wagon
March 11, 2012, 09:23 PM
PTR91. :cool:


http://i212.photobucket.com/albums/cc305/The_War_Wagon/PSG13.jpg

Ranger30-06
March 13, 2012, 09:45 AM
Another vote for the Saiga .308! :D

http://www.thehighroad.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=157095&d=1326849175

I just need a better sight for this bad boy and I'll be all set!

GunTech
March 13, 2012, 10:17 AM
As noted, It really depends on what you want.

The AR-10 variants win in terms of ease of modifying, scope mounting, accuracy and a decent trigger. It the only rifle mentioned where upgrading the barrel is a simple option, and there are lots of accessories. Unlike the AR-15 there isn't a standard between AR-10 rifle makers. Most use the same magazine but not all. There is variation in some parts, but by and large they are fairly compatible and there are plenty of add-ons.

The M1a appeals to a more traditional shooter. It still has the best iron sights of any 7.62 battle rifle, and the trigger can be made very crisp. drop in a Rader trigger and you can go under 2 pounds safely if that sort of thing appeals to you. There are now many add-ons for the M1a, but scope mounting can be tricky because the rifle was designed for irons. You'll need some form of cheek piece to get a good stock weld and good mounts are expensive. The base rifle is reasonably accurate, but to get a high level of accuracy gets expensive quickly.

The FAL is a classic battle rifle that is reliable once the gas system is properly set. You want to avoid Remington brass which is thin at the base. If the gas port is set wrong you'll rip the head of the case. Like the M1a, mounting a scope is somewhat problematic. Most of the dust cover mounts are semi-permanent and the scope ends up high. The trigger on the FAL is difficult to improve due to the number of interacting surfaces.

The G3 clones (PTR-91 etc) are delayed blowback rifles with all that implies. Ejection is vigorous and can be hard on brass. The sights are sub optimal, though many like them. The trigger is terrible compared to the other rifles mentioned. Scope mounting is also tricky, although the latest models have corrected this. This seems to be a rifle that engenders strong feelings of either love or hate.

There are a number of other rifles that also meet you criteria, but these are the main military rifles for 7.62x51. Each has a range of accessories and magazines a relatively easy to obtain.

GunTech
March 13, 2012, 10:19 AM
M1a

http://guntech.com/m14/jae-100.jpg

http://guntech.com/m14/m1a-scout.jpg

RECIT
March 13, 2012, 10:41 AM
M1A if it were my money. The AR10 would be close behind. Both are accurate and easy to service and clean. The other options are too, those are just my picks.

Driftertank
March 13, 2012, 01:17 PM
I would disagree with GunTech's assesment that the M1A has the best iron sights. Shot my PTR alongside an M1A a few weeks ago. Found the front sight blade on the M1A, the top of which slants away from you, tended to catch the sunlight, making it very difficult to establish a consistent sight picture. Both me and my friend who brought the rifle found our groups stringing vertically because of this.

By contrast, we both found that the PTR's diopter iron sights made it very easy to get a consistent sight picture, simply by centering the front sight hood in the aperature and posting the target. Groups were tight and consistent.

maple_leaf_eh
March 13, 2012, 01:42 PM
Just to antagonize my US friends, I'm going to say buy 4 Norinco M305 M14 clones. Or three and ammo, or two and more ammo.

(Not as attractive as first meets the eye. Semi-auto rifles are limited to 5 shots, so any rifle has to have three more mags.

The concensus of opinion north of the 49th Parallel is the Norincos are very good guns, despite the badmouthing some US gunshops are giving them.

Bill_Rights
March 14, 2012, 02:32 AM
Skribs,

You on vacation to Anarctica or something? Helloooo...

I agree with JimCat:That's a pretty big range of battle rifles that you are mulling over.

If you could lay out a bit more criteria or what you like to shoot, that might help the experts in the forum give you some solid answers. That and doing some solid research in previous posts.

That said, I am in the FNAR camp. You could also consider the Winchester SX-AR, which is an FNAR-LB in camo.

NWCP
March 14, 2012, 05:09 AM
I own an M1A super match as well as an HK91 so my personal preferences are with those two platforms. The MiA is more accurate than my HK91, but the HK is very reliable and would be my go to semi auto. It's too bad the Browning BAR has a limited magazine capacity because I really do like my BAR. It is in .338 and a pleasure to shoot. If it were in .308 and had at least a removable 10 round mag it might very well be my rifle of choice.

valnar
March 14, 2012, 08:58 AM
I went through this same exercise and am currently saving up for a PWS MK216 (http://primaryweapons.com/store/pc/viewCategories.asp?idCategory=25). Unfortunately it exceeds your $2000 limit, but everything else had a caveat (see GunTech's post).

M1key
March 14, 2012, 06:52 PM
GunTech,

Reasonable comments, except the FAL mounts a scope lower than most MBRs I know of. In fact you can remove the rear sight and mount it darn near flush to the rail. Leave the mount in place and easily field strip.

I have seen a $50 trigger job that will surprise you.

all the best


M

trex1310
March 14, 2012, 07:21 PM
Remington 742 Woodmaster
Remington 7400 (I think)
Browning BAR
CZ 750

7.62x51NATO
March 14, 2012, 08:33 PM
I've been drooling over a DPMS .308, just me though. Heard they are quite accurate even out of the box, plus at about 1000$ new, leaves room for optics, mags, and ammo! But an FAL, M1A, and PTR91 all work good too. Roll a dice and pick!

barnbwt
March 14, 2012, 09:15 PM
It's too bad the Browning BAR has a limited magazine capacity because I really do like my BAR. It is in .338 and a pleasure to shoot. If it were in .308 and had at least a removable 10 round mag it might very well be my rifle of choice.

NWCP,
The FNAR is a BAR-based .308 action, with detachable 5, 10, or 20 round magazine. Guaranteed 1MOA out of the box.





Just something to think about...

TCB

C'Thulhu
March 15, 2012, 03:25 AM
I wouldn't classify the FNAR as a battle rifle personally. More like an attempt to bridge the gap between a sniper rifle and a DMR.

gotigers
March 15, 2012, 09:23 AM
The FNAR is an awesome gun.

I was at Walmart yesterday. They had a DPMS LR308 for < $900. Fits all of those criteria. If your walmart sells guns, they can order it for you.

I would stick with the AR set up. More accessories out there. Better scope mount options than the M1A.

diesel
April 17, 2012, 11:28 PM
op
the dpms lr308 is alot of gun for the money , i have the dpms lr308 heavy barrel
it came with 2 20rd mags ,hard case and a 3year warranty for 990 bucks its a tack driver and runs like a top. with optics and a full mag its close to 10 lbs
my vote is for dpms lr308:D

MilsurpShooter
April 18, 2012, 12:04 AM
HK 91. Classic Arms has some in for $1100 IIRC

TexasPatriot.308
April 18, 2012, 12:06 AM
Springfield Armory M1A and Armalite AR10 in either A2 or flat top configurement.

B!ngo
April 18, 2012, 12:15 AM
It's a myth! There've been more sightings of Bigfoot than there have of the RFB! ;)
Darned right. I'm left handed and would really like to get my hands on one of these (the Kel-Tec RFB). But they don't exist. Pixie dust. Dark matter. Unobtanium. Just like most all of their guns.
Does the company actually exist? Or is some vast sociological experiment being conducted by Stanford University with Guns and Ammo?
Oh and the answer to the OP's question is about 1/2 of a SCAR Heavy.
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jdh
April 18, 2012, 06:28 PM
My R-25 Remington was a very accurate AR-10 pattern rifle.

Armed012002
April 18, 2012, 06:59 PM
Colt is very close to selling their AR-10 variant, the LE901-16S.

It's preorder at the moment at around $2,100.

I'm watching it closely as Colt is selling it at a very attractive price point. If it's built to the same quality as the LE6920 and LE6940, it's great competition to the LMT MWS, Larue OBR/PredatAR, and GA Precision GAP-10.

Accuracy from the LE901-16S would likely be less than the OBR and GAP-10, but I'd be willing to bet Colt's 16" chrome-lined free-floated barrel would perform sub MOA.

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