What's all the fuss with these glocks??
Black92LX
February 12, 2004, 08:13 PM
I just can't figure it out. Yesterday I added 3 more handguns to the list that i have shot. and the glock is still at the bottom of the list.
i just don't get it. is it an aquired feel or something?
i mean at this point i would have no intrest what so ever for owning a glock. is there something that i am missing.
I have shot:
Colts, H&K, Beretta, Springfield, Sigs, Rugers, and the glock was just not pleasing to me yet all the others were.
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Tamara
February 12, 2004, 08:18 PM
Folks like what they like; that's why they make all different kinds of guns. :)
Devonai
February 12, 2004, 08:26 PM
Part of the appeal comes from having to carry a pistol for eighteen hours straight. I love my Beretta and my 1911 but they ain't exactly featherweight.
Waxed Canvas
February 12, 2004, 08:29 PM
Ease of use, limited maintenance, ubiquity of parts/accessories.
Take me for example. I am a ravenous duck hunter. Though I have three semi autos and until recently, an over and under, I prefer a plain old 870 pump shotgun since it is easy to use, tough and easy to care for. Those pluses outweigh the positives of other options.
Likewise, a Glock can be carried and there is never a worry about rust and or reliability------in short, they work. Yes there are other more accurate tools out there but the Glock fulfills it's role by tendering reasonable accuracy in a simple operating system.
Greg Bell
February 12, 2004, 08:35 PM
While a lot of guns are at least as reliable, safer and more accurate than the Glock--I still can't figure out why more folks don't do the Tennifer finish (although I believe Walther does).
VaughnT
February 12, 2004, 08:44 PM
Re: tennifer - I've heard that the only reason it isn't done in America is because the EPA would have a fit. Either the process or the leftovers are extremely nasty pollutants and foreign countries don't worry about that stuff like we do.
Glocks v. All the Rest: I can shoot a glock all day long and not fall in love with them. There is one model that struck my fancy but I can't recall the model number and haven't seen one since. I do know that it was 9mm and had a reasonably long slide that more closely approached the Golden Ratio of 1:1.616.
Would I buy one? Not unless it was a really, really good deal and I needed a clunker for the glovebox or some camping trip. Glocks are no more reliable than any other pistol on the market, and a Colt GM, while heavier, is far easier to detail strip in the woods.
Maintenance issues? My Colt 1991 is carried in my duty holster all day, every day, and I'm the world's worst about cleaning. There's some lint around the firing pin, but the weapon discharges every time. It might not be SWAT black or tacticoool, but it does the job and looks good, too.
To each their own. And to all a good night.
JohnKSa
February 12, 2004, 10:03 PM
I feel the same about 1911 pistols. I've shot them and I just can't get interested. I got close once but lost interest again when I found out what it takes to field strip one.
Like Tamara says--it's a good thing they make more than one kind of gun! ;)
Greg Bell
February 12, 2004, 10:09 PM
Lies! Only the P7 is true!!:D :D :D
HSMITH
February 12, 2004, 10:55 PM
The flip side to that coin is: Put 1000 rounds through a Glock and tell me you don't like it. Most people shoot SA guns all the time and shoot revolver SA for 9 out of 10 shots to make themselves feel better. The Glock is easy to shoot, hard to shoot well. THAT is what turns 99% of people off at first, their inability to shoot the DAO action of the Glock. Learn to shoot one, then comment.
When you learn to shoot a Glock, very easily done for those that know DA revolvers, they are just about all you can ask for. Reliable, almost as fast as a revolver, accurate enough to hit you in the head at 30 yards with ease and hold 2 or 3 cylinders worth of potent ammo. IS there anything else? The Para P14 is the only other gun you can say these things about in my experience. Glocks suck, they are ugy, clunky, ergonomically lacking, have no soul, made of plastic parts, and possibly are devil-spawn. That said take a wild guess what I reach for when things might be ugly......
steelhead
February 12, 2004, 11:03 PM
You might not be looking at Glocks in the proper context.
Glocks have shown themselves to be slightly above average on quality/reliability out of the box. They are easily adapted to by novices/first time gun owners. They pretty much get done whatever is asked of them in a bland, unexciting and unattractive manner. They are effective tools but to most they do not hold much "curb appeal". If someone is looking for a tool, and likes the trigger action, I do not see how they could go wrong.
I personally agree with you and I am also not interested in Glocks. However, I am not ready to say never to owning one and I can understand why others may like them.
However I do find great amusement (although little understanding) of the fervent zeal in the "circling of the wagons" by some (not all) Glock owners when threads such as these appear.
Ankeny
February 12, 2004, 11:03 PM
I have had four Glocks and I shot thousands of rounds through them. Unfortunately, they just point too high for me. I had grip reductions performed and that helped a bunch, but I finally just gave up on them.
On the flip side, some of the Glock shooters in my IPSC club tried the 1911 and went back to the Glock. To each his own.
antediluvianist
February 12, 2004, 11:06 PM
A Glock is like a revolver with 17 rounds in it. Simple, reliable , no manual safety. Easily- and I mean easily - disassembled. No smithing necessary to get it to work well out of the box..
"Just whip it out."
Tamara
February 12, 2004, 11:58 PM
The flip side to that coin is: Put 1000 rounds through a Glock and tell me you don't like it.
Okay. I've owned nine of 'em, put umptyzillion rounds downrange through 'em, and I don't like 'em anymore. Oh well, it's a free country. ;)
Most people shoot SA guns all the time and shoot revolver SA for 9 out of 10 shots to make themselves feel better.
I can't even remember the last time I shot one of my revolvers single-action. :uhoh:
antediluvianist,
Easily- and I mean easily - disassembled.
The pistol on my hip right now requires no (that's zero) tools to detail strip. That's no tools to completely disassemble to its component parts. It don't get much easier than that. ;)
No smithing necessary to get it to work well out of the box..
Neither do most other quality pistols.
The punchline being this: The Glock is a fine, reliable, serviceable handgun. If you like it, buy one (or ten); if you don't, then don't. It's not the superperfectHammerofThor, but then again, neither is any other handgun available on the market today.
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Don't believe the hype! -Flava Flav
WonderNine
February 13, 2004, 12:14 AM
The Glocks just don't do it for me. Never have, never will. The weight savings is nice, but then there's alot of light guns out there nicer than a Glock. I also hate how the balance of the gun changes as you empty the magazine. I despise the trigger and the blockiness. They look like something I ate and dropped. They don't point worth a damn for me either.
I'd never want to carry one chambered despite what people say about just having the right holsters... I'd be worried about having to draw in a hurry and accidently putting a round in my leg. I also have a thing against striker fired guns, but that's just me...
Devonai
February 13, 2004, 12:21 AM
Okay, for the record I have owned the following models of Glock pistols: 17, 22, 23, 26, 27, and 30. Of these I still have the 17 and 30. Like my Beretta, each of these models has had no malfunctions of any kind, ever. Therefore, I have to conclude that if a Glock launches a pen or pencil across the room, it's going to function fine.
It also happens that I carried (at different times) my Beretta 92FS and Glock 17 up a mountain during a rainstorm. Which one do you think had rust on it when I got home soaking wet after 12 hours? It was only surface rust but it was annoying to say the least.
And if you want to talk good looks, any pistol that goes bang when you pull the trigger no matter what is gorgeous in my eyes.
WonderNine
February 13, 2004, 12:30 AM
Like my Beretta, each of these models has had no malfunctions of any kind, ever.
Works for me, I still don't like the gun however....
To me a gun has to do alot of other things besides just going bang. If that was the only requirement everyone would still be toting revolvers around. (Not that there's anything WRONG with that. :cool: )
lostdog
February 13, 2004, 12:33 AM
traded my kimber(bad customer service)
for a para(finished "witha brick" on the inside)
for a glock
The only gun that hass ever "begged" me to break it, and made me fail to do so.
Lennyjoe
February 13, 2004, 03:20 AM
I absolutely love my G19, but its getting cheated on by my Browning Hi-Power as of lately.
Heck, Im even thinking on selling my G19. Magine that.
artherd
February 13, 2004, 03:25 AM
That 'golden ratio' glock was probally a G34.
I have one, I love it. The factory upgrades to the trigger, slide release, etc. make for a gun that's carry-durable, and target-accurate. Don't know what else you could ask for. (oh yeah, it takes G17 high caps, and G18 33-round high-caps too.)
http://www.action-direct.com/intm6-glock.jpg
http://glockstan.20megsfree.com/images/G34-m3-2.jpg
http://www.firearmscanada.com/glock_perfection_1.html
denfoote
February 13, 2004, 06:54 AM
Heretic!!!
Infidel!!!!!
Resistance is futile.
You WILL be assimilated!! :evil:
WonderNine
February 13, 2004, 07:10 AM
I absolutely love my G19, but its getting cheated on by my Browning Hi-Power as of lately.
Heck, Im even thinking on selling my G19. Magine that.
My advice to you is to sell it, save a few bucks and get another BHP. :evil:
That 'golden ratio' glock was probally a G34.
I'm sure it was, I don't know what else it would be.
9x19
February 13, 2004, 07:31 AM
For most people, there is no "fuss" with Glocks... thus their appeal and enormous success. :scrutiny:
BTW, the Glock 34 is simply The Best Pistol Ever Built! :neener:
TonyB
February 13, 2004, 08:40 AM
Call me crazy,but I just want a gun that works........I have a G17 that has NEVER failed..is as accurate as I can be,goes hundreds of rounds between cleaning,and is pretty light...are 1911's better loooking..yes...but I've presonally seen more FTE's and FTF's in 1911's than ANY autos.......are Glocks for everyone....no.....but they are excellent bullet launchers....:cool:
W Turner
February 13, 2004, 11:09 AM
Used to be a Glockophile........but I have begun to be a much more equal opportunity carry-gun guy. Here are the Glocks I have owned/shot and my impressions and how it ended up:
3 Glock 17-, sold all of them more due to a lack of need than a real dislike...shoulda kept the Gen. 1 smooth grip though
1 Glock 19c-wife's gun and she didn't like the finger grooves after a while, and the porting is not available without the grooves
1 Glock 20C- loved it, but couldn't shoot IDPA with it, sold it
1 Glock 20- love it, still have it
2 GLock 21- sold them all, like the 10mm better in this platform
1 Glock 22- my first Glock, ok, but grew out of my .40 phase
1 Glock 23-didn't own this one, but shot a friends and hated it, only Glock I have felt that way about
? Glock 27- at least four that I can remember, like the S&W 642 or KT P3AT better for a pocket gun, if it goes on my belt it is at least a compact
1 Glock 29- bought this one to make a few bucks off of it, liked the way it shot, but cannot get my paws on it, even with a finger extension installed
2 Glock 30- liked both of these, but sold the last one to buy a Colt Defender......mistake, may buy either one of these or try a 29 in the future to serve as a carry gun
0 Glock 31, 32, 33----->:barf:
2 Glock 35- liked the way they shot, but there again, I kinda got out of my .40 phase...may get a 34 or Springfield XD 5" in 9mm for IDPA
I only own one right now, but if I was in a situation where I had to pick one gun off the shelf to take out of the box, load and carry for the rest of my life with no testing, evaluation, etc. it would be a Glock 21. I cannot imagine what kind of situation that would be, but I cannot think of a more hearty endorsement.
Mino
RON in PA
February 13, 2004, 11:24 AM
There's Fords and Chevies, there's vanilla and chocolate.
Had five Glocks, currently have zero. They can malfunction (except the G17, in my experience). Decided that I like a pistol with a hammer and traditional DA/SA, ie., Rugers, Sigs, Berettas and S&W autos. That's me.
One weakness of the Glock, IMHO, is the striker system. Hard primers can be a problem.
When I carry it's a snubbie, the autos are for the range and house.
Obiwan
February 13, 2004, 11:30 AM
For a lot of people...but certainly not all.
The Glocks appeals to them because they see weapons as a tool
Rather than an art form
For me it is the consistent, albeit imperfect, trigger pull and relaibility
And no buttons, levers, etc.
Sean Smith
February 13, 2004, 11:42 AM
Used to have a Glock 23, 35, 36 and 20C. Sold the lot of'em, and have no desire to get another.
All but the 35 had good accuracy. All of were reliable, although the 20C did break a slide stop. All of them had crap trigger pulls, easily broken soft plastic sights, brick-like ergonomics and so forth.
Waxed Canvas
February 13, 2004, 01:42 PM
Yeah.......Glocks are ugly with a mushy trigger until you learn it. I don't even own one right now or maybe yet is the correct term. 9/10's of the time you could walk in a room with two hundred Glocks on a table, pick any of them out at random and then go trust your life to it in a combat scenario without any prior cleaning.
Sean Smith
February 13, 2004, 01:44 PM
Yeah.......Glocks are ugly with a mushy trigger until you learn it.
No, I'm pretty sure the trigger stays the same. :D
Waxed Canvas
February 13, 2004, 01:49 PM
The sights do suck. Word to the wise: if you pay someone to do the night sights, make the re-regulate the sights again.
vmi93
February 13, 2004, 08:48 PM
I've got a couple of Glocks so I read threads like these from time to time.
What are you folks doing with your guns to break the sights?
I agree that the standard sights aren't steel, and that they COULD be broken, but I don't see how you could break them absent very unusual circumstances (pistolwhipping someone, dropping the pistol, keeping the gun loose in a toolbox).
If anyone has broken their standard Glock sights, please enlighten me.
TCD
February 13, 2004, 09:06 PM
I dont care for the feel/grip and the pointing of the glocks that I have fired/shot
Sean Smith
February 13, 2004, 09:10 PM
I broke a chunk off my stock Glock sights (I think it was the Glock 23). Just bumped it on the corner of a table.
J. Parker
February 13, 2004, 09:16 PM
I've had Glock's on and off over the years. I wanted a reliable 10mm for the woods so I got a Glock 20. It's a good, solid, reliable pistol but I don't love the damn thing for cryin' out loud. If H&K had a 10mm I'd have one instead. I'm not a "Glockhead" but I respect 'em. If they hadn't come along....who knows....maybe there would be "Sigheads" instead. :D
woodland_archer
February 13, 2004, 11:05 PM
I'm a police acadamy cadet, and Glocks are not well liked by most of the people in my class. Most say it's the grip they don't like.
I have a 23 and no matter how hard I try, I just can't get into Glocks.
For me it's the feel of the grip, sh%tty sights, and the list goes on and on.
Mine's for sale and I'm currently shopping around for another duty weapon.
Feanaro
February 13, 2004, 11:21 PM
Reliable, almost as fast as a revolver, accurate enough to hit you in the head at 30 yards with ease and hold 2 or 3 cylinders worth of potent ammo.
Lets not forget the ergonomics of a brick, crappy sights and a nasty trigger. Oh, and kabooms and sheared slide rails and... :neener:
Tamara
February 13, 2004, 11:41 PM
What are you folks doing with your guns to break the sights?
Banged the slide of a G23 against the edge of the 2x4 and plywood "barricade" at match when transitioning from weak hand to strong hand.
When I had the gun in my right hand and brought it up to eye level, the absence of a front sight was kinda disconcerting. :eek:
Greg Bell
February 14, 2004, 12:08 AM
I was at the range the other day and a cadet from the local police academy was having problems with his 22. It was shooting radically to the left. After a while somebody noticed that the cheapo front site had been, apparently, glued back on--badly. The site was slightly melted and sort of off center. Yuck. People are sending their officers out with this poo-poo? Man, get some trijicons.
GHB
Brigrat
February 14, 2004, 01:26 AM
We are issued Glock 22's. Every one has had the frame replaced, due to either frame cracking, slide stop breakage, or KB. Glock has been good at replacing the frames, but I don't trust them. I have experienced an FTF or FTE with at least 1 in every 200 rounds, with all of our G22's with factory ammo (Winchester RA40TA), and I have personally witnessed a KB with a G22, and G23 in the past 3 years. I carry a Ruger P95 instead of my issued G22 for a reason. I own and love a Glock 17, but the G22 sucks if you ask me.
artherd
February 14, 2004, 01:53 AM
Brigrat- that's absolutely horrendous. I'd expect a beaten and flogged kel-tec to hold up much better than that.
I have a 34, which is an extended 17. 2500 rounds with just wipe-downs and not one failure to do anything but shoot accurately and on target. Gun looks new too inside and out, astonishingly little wear.
Stealther
February 14, 2004, 03:29 AM
Can't get a 10mm in any of those but Glock. 16 rounds of 155gr Gold Dots @ 1475fps is what I like to have handy. Too bad, I'd love to see them in a HK. (Yes I know you can do a barrel swap in the HK)
Rich357
February 14, 2004, 06:06 AM
It seems to be in vogue to find fault with Glocks, but consider all the priblems people have put up with over the years with other pistols. Revolvers were the handgun of most police agencies. S&W tried to make a dent in the police market with their M59 but it had it's problems.
When Glocks were introduced they gave shooters a really high capacity (17 rounds pre 1964 ban) pistol in a modest sized package. Even the smaller Glock 19 held more rounds than the old Browing High Power. It was more reliable out of the box than most 1911s. It may not fit every hand perfectly but it didn't bite your hand the way many 1911s did.
After being neutered in 1994 Glock Inc. came out with their sup-compact series. The Glock sub-compacts are small, highly reliable and hold at least the legal limit of rounds.
In the last 10 years a number of 1911 makers have changed the 1911. Today the standard 1911 is much different than the ones you saw prior to the introduction of Glocks in the late 1980s. How many 1911 do you see without a beaver tale grip to prevent hammer bite? These new 1911s have been tuned to be more reliable out of the box. Many of these new 1911s are at least twice the cost of most Glocks and you still don't have the high magazine capacity. Glock forced a change in the pistols being offered to the public. Many 1911 owners seem bitter about Glocks but they should thank Glock Inc. for causing the industry to change, giving them a better breed of 1911s.
Are Glocks perfect for evey situation? No. I have a number of different pistols but I still like Glocks and have quite a few of them. I trust Glocks to do the job. If you don't like their stock plastic sights you can get them with steel night sights.
Rich
phorvick
February 14, 2004, 06:44 AM
I agree. Why in the world would anyone want a Glock. Anyone that gets one soon discovers that they made a huge mistake getting a Glock.
First, they are incredily boring. Pull trigger = boom; pull trigger = boom. Time after time after time. You never (well rarely ever) get to experience the rush and thrill of the "what the %&%^ happened! It didn't fire!"
Next, the cleaning. Boring boring boring. It is no fun to be able to field strip in just a few seconds and then clean in a few minutes. Where is the fun and joy of bonding with your gun doing that? Also, you don't get to spend any time removing surface rust and really getting it polished up to reflect the sun back at you. You will have way too much spare time after getting the GLock. Imagine, you go to the range to shoot 100 rounds. You do that quickly because it fires every time. How do you now explain to your spouse why you stayed so long? It was not to get troubleshooting information !
Next, Glocks breed. It is subtle. I have not seen it in action, but have seen the results. First, it is the G22 you purchased. Then, all of a sudden a 9mm will show up, or a .45, or the big boy 10mm. I tell you, they breed.
Nope, any Glock buyer made a huge tactical error.
Luckily for them, I have a new business to help.
Send me your Glock, along with a $50 fee, and I will see that some other sucker gets stuck with it. No extra charges.
Tamara
February 14, 2004, 07:49 AM
How many 1911 do you see without a beaver tale grip to prevent hammer bite? ... Many 1911 owners seem bitter about Glocks but they should thank Glock Inc. for causing the industry to change, giving them a better breed of 1911s.
FWIW, beavertails on 1911's have nothing to do with Glock's influence. They were a part found on race guns and customs before Kimber came along and made it a production line item.
Many of these new 1911s are at least twice the cost of most Glocks and you still don't have the high magazine capacity.
Ever seen a 9mm or .38 Super ParaOrd or STI? (Think eighteen or twenty rounds with a flush-fit mag...)
Anyhow, Glocks are fine guns. There's no need to re-write history to make 'em more important than they really are.
vmi93
February 14, 2004, 09:24 AM
Thanks for the replies on the sight issue. My "working" Glock doesn't have the stock sights, so I probably missed some of the opportunities you've had. :D
I guess I'll put night sights or Hi-Viz on the bedroom Glock too.
Marko Kloos
February 14, 2004, 09:42 AM
I love 1911s and S&W revolvers; can't say that I feel nearly as strongly about the Glocks. They're soulless machines, a little clunky, and no Glock ever made has the curb appeal of a 1911 or S&W M19 with glossy blue finish.
That said, I respect the Glock as a no-frills, durable, reliable, and dependable self-defense appliance. The lack of soul is exactly what makes the Glock a good carry pistol: you don't baby it, you don't mind if it gets bumped or scuffed...and if you ever have to use it, and it ends up in a police evidence locker for a year or three, you can go to a gun store and pick up another one just like it.
They're not the One True Sword...no gun is. They are a pretty good tool in the old self-defense toolbox, though.
jc2
February 14, 2004, 10:08 AM
The Bic Lighter of handguns. Not near the class and feel of an old Zippo, but if you drop it in the lake, who cares?
Baba Louie
February 14, 2004, 11:39 AM
What's all the fuss with these glocks??
Great marketing, relatively new concept of plastic frames (not the first), cheap initial pricing, ugly as sin, Jack Anderson got all fired up over them being the terrorist weapon of choice, Colts had to be tweaked back then-Glocks were "perfect", more rounds than a revolver, S&W Semi Auto's were pricey and heavy, new, new, new (back in the 80's), no external safety, homely, simple, 2 initial cartridges Americans loved in various sized models - later added a couple three more, gangbangers love them-rap about them and shoot them sideways, no hammer bite, spongey trigger w/ short reset, easy to tear down, cute (thats a relative term) little ones for 10 rd. carry, long barrelled ones for I don't know what, rails for attaching I don't know what or why, strange packaging, Jeff Cooper hated them, wasn't made in America, funny name, a selective fire version in family that few own or want to but would like to shoot sometime in their life at least once, plastic holster, built-in finger-grooves to love or hate, S&W got caught with their pants down copying one, got a cousin thats a shovel and another thats a cheap knife (maybe a can-opener in the family line as well but we don't talk about that side of the family), fun to put down in useless internet threads, fun to defend them if you own no other handguns, usually goes bang when you pull the trigger, bullet usually follows the front sight, which might break off now and then as opposed to flying off like the 1911's staked on sights tend to do now and then, to target, interesting double speak for non-recall factory recall, special discount for LE Agencies, cheap to manufacture...
and thats about it, really.
But not worth fussing about that I can see. Just a gun. YMMV
Greg Bell
February 14, 2004, 01:24 PM
Tamara,
"FWIW, beavertails on 1911's have nothing to do with Glock's influence. They were a part found on race guns and customs before Kimber came along and made it a production line item."
"Anyhow, Glocks are fine guns. There's no need to re-write history to make 'em more important than they really are."
I think he was just saying that Glocks have reduced the tolerance of the general public for unreliable, poorly designed firearms. I think that Glock shares this honor with Beretta, SIG and H&K (among others). Once people had a taste of autoloaders that actually were reliable/well-designed (of course, when I read gun mags at the time, they were always sugarcoating the 1911's reliability, IMHO) the 1911 makers had to make start taking it seriously. The results have been a benefit to all.
GHB
Hot brass
February 14, 2004, 02:02 PM
I wanted a new poly framed gun. I tried the G21 and the HK 45USP. The G21 had very sharp recoil, and not good accuracy. The HK45USP recoil was easily handled, accuracy was wonderful. I was looking for a carry gun, so I tried the Para Ltd P14/45 :D Nuff said.
ceestand
February 14, 2004, 04:01 PM
I can't even remember the last time I shot one of my revolvers single-action.
I can. It was about four months ago, testing factory loads. HSMITH, I think you're way off there.
Tamara, I also agree with your first reply to this thread. People like Glocks because they are Glocks. Every one of us can come up with a ton of reasons why the guns we own/carry are the best. Find me someone who carries a Jennings .25 and I'll mfind you someone who thinks it's a great gun.
Rich357, I'm predicting that next years' fashion will be to bash SIG owners. :p I think the reason it seems that Glockers get hounded is their unwaivering belief that Glocks are the best - the more adamant they are, the more the others push them.
Greg Bell
February 14, 2004, 04:08 PM
Ceestand,
"Rich357, I'm predicting that next years' fashion will be to bash SIG owners. I think the reason it seems that Glockers get hounded is their unwaivering belief that Glocks are the best - the more adamant they are, the more the others push them."
Yeah, I know. And it so silly that they do that when it is obvious for those that have eyes to see that the P7 is best!!! :D :D
Rich357
February 14, 2004, 06:40 PM
Greg Bell:
"I think he was just saying that Glocks have reduced the tolerance of the general public for unreliable, poorly designed firearms. I think that Glock shares this honor with Beretta, SIG and H&K (among others). Once people had a taste of autoloaders that actually were reliable/well-designed (of course, when I read gun mags at the time, they were always sugarcoating the 1911's reliability, IMHO) the 1911 makers had to make start taking it seriously. The results have been a benefit to all."
Exactly. Thank you.
ceestand:
"Rich357, I'm predicting that next years' fashion will be to bash SIG owners. I think the reason it seems that Glockers get hounded is their unwaivering belief that Glocks are the best - the more adamant they are, the more the others push them."
Maybe I don't hang out long enough in gun stores, but I don't hear people saying Glocks are "the best". But, I don't doubt it happens.
Rich
another okie
February 14, 2004, 07:12 PM
In the immortal words of Shel Silverstein, writing for Dr. Hook and the Medicine Show:
"Some folks like ham hocks, and some folks like pork chops,
and some folks like vegetable stew.
And Roland the Roadie, loves Gertrude the Groupie,
and Gertrude the Groupie loves Groups."
Boats
February 14, 2004, 07:47 PM
What good is an "autorevolver" that can't be cocked and in no case be fired from your pocket?:evil:
I was out shooting my new GP-100 this morning. I shot it DA for defense drills, but just for kicks I also banged away on a 100 meter shilouette plate for about 36 rounds or so. I did that all SA slow fire and made 30/36 on my first day seriously firing a revolver in fifteen or more years. Slow fire on a Glock means taking a little longer to mash on the same old mush.:barf:
My morning was possible because the Ruger had a better trigger on it ten minutes after I bought it and swapped in some Wolff springs than any Glock will ever have.
The Glock might be an "autorevolver" but it is a mighty poor revolver at that. When I want an auto pistol, I want a serious single action combat auto pistol, not the lowest common denominator duty weapon whose main attraction is its light carry weight and ability to treat it like an anti would.;)
Glocker74
February 14, 2004, 08:59 PM
Very illuminating. I always listen to the criticism of my enemies :fire:
:cool:
Glocks are my first autoloader. Always liked revolvers for their reliability. First time I shot a .357 w/ a 6 inch barrel I hit a 2 inch circle at 40 feet. Not there yet with Glock...I like the PROVEN reliability, hi capacity mags, and especially, being able to work on them without taking one of those matchbook cover gunsmith courses :rolleyes:
I don't like carrying one up the pipe with no external safety.
Most any gun is better looking. Then again, I fondle my wife, not my pistol.
Thanks for some of the insightful, objective thoughts! Glock Rules!:cool:
Feanaro
February 14, 2004, 09:07 PM
especially, being able to work on them without taking one of those matchbook cover gunsmith courses
Not mocking anyone personally but if you need a gunsmith course to take apart most of the popular production pistols, you have the mechanical ability of a rock. ;)
Tamara
February 14, 2004, 09:58 PM
Glocks are my first autoloader.
...
Glock Rules!
Says it all, really. ;)
Lightsped
February 14, 2004, 10:55 PM
I love Glocks. I have three of them so far. But at the same time I love my 1911s, SIG, Beretta, etc.... too! Basically, I just like all guns....
turbonatr
February 14, 2004, 11:37 PM
These "What's all the fuss with these glocks" threads always seem to stir up quite a, er, um...fuss.:rolleyes:
Ever think that by posting one of these threads about Glocks that you are actually making a fuss about them?
It's a handgun. Some people like them, some don't. No fuss. It's actually quite a simple concept to grasp.
Frenchy
February 15, 2004, 02:22 AM
Well!...I don't "Love" guns, but I do appreciate a tool that works consistently when I need it.
glocksman
February 15, 2004, 05:48 AM
I have a Glock 19.
I bought it new back in 1993 with factory nite sites and a couple of extra magazines.
After 11 years and thousands of rounds, it still looks almost new and the only part I've replaced on it was the recoil spring.
I've had exactly 2 misfires over the years and that was with my own reloaded ammo. No failures to feed or eject.
Granted, the trigger is a little mushy. No gun is perfect.
But I can still shoot a fist size group at 10 yards as fast as I can pull the trigger.
Some say it's blocky and lacks 'soul'. I say it's businesslike and professional. :neener:
Texshooter
February 16, 2004, 11:26 AM
glocksman, I was not aware that glock had "factory" night sights in 93?
glocksman
February 16, 2004, 01:05 PM
Factory Trijicons I think.
I can't make out the name any more.
I'm pretty sure it was 1993.
I ran the serial number to find out when it was manufactured.
I'll let you know when I get the results.
13.45
February 16, 2004, 03:13 PM
i own, shoot, and enjoy a number different handguns. several are glocks (9mm, .40s&w, .45acp) and i've had excellent luck with the brand- tough, easy to clean, and very reliable
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