Picked Up My S&W Pre-27 Revolver


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InfamousLegend
March 11, 2012, 07:32 PM
Finally picked up my Pre-27 revolver. It has a 6 1/2" barrel, and is as smooth as butter. Unfortunately the bluing is starting to come off near the trigger guard as you can easily tell from the last photo. It seems as though someone didn't clean the gun for some time after handling and the salt in their sweat ate at the metal. Although you can see the bluing is wearing off you cannot feel it, and the photo over exaggerates how deep and large it is. I cannot express how crisp the trigger is, and gun fires very well. Now I just need to get familier with her by shooting a lot.

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BYJO4
March 11, 2012, 08:24 PM
Congrats on the S&W. I know you will enjoy shooting it.

InfamousLegend
March 11, 2012, 08:38 PM
I've already put 50 rounds through her yesterday, and I love how the weight of the gun feels in my hand. I'm wondering if I can fix the bluing without destroying the value of the gun.

Anyone have recommendations for a leather belt holster?

CajunBass
March 12, 2012, 02:28 AM
Leave it like it is. That's just character.

Very nice 357.

David E
March 12, 2012, 02:37 AM
Leave it as is. If you must fix it, do it right and send it back to S&W. Probably run $200 + shipping

Milt Sparks does great leather.

joneb
March 12, 2012, 02:37 AM
Leave it like it is. That's just character.

I could not agree more :)

InfamousLegend
March 12, 2012, 03:34 AM
I guess it does add character, but it is sad that the bluing had to be worn from neglect and not use. Anyway I have to admit I'm fascinated with this gun right now and the craftsmanship that went into it. I'm tempted to open her up and see how she works but I won't because in the back of my mind I don't want to damage her, even if it's only an accidental screw driver mark.

I know people mention cylinder movement as a sign of quality in a revolver and the gap between the cylinder and breach is so small you can almost not see through it. The cylinder also locks up nicely and has very little play in it, either forwards and back or side to side.

CajunBass
March 12, 2012, 04:19 AM
I don't see that as abuse. That gun is what? Fifty plus years old? That's a gun that's been used for what it was made for. It's going to show some wear.

Use it with pride.

I'll post pictures of mine when I get home later. It's got as much wear, if not more.

InfamousLegend
March 12, 2012, 04:43 AM
It was made in 1953, I've already purchased the Standard Catalog of Smith & Wesson 3rd Edition. I understand your point and it's just me expecting perfection, partially because I hold this gun in a very high regard. I know I'm new to the whole gun scene, although I plan to become very knowledgeable. I eventually want to become like the man down the street with that sweet classic car and can tell you anything you want to know about any classic car made in the past 100 years, and can work on any car with just a screw driver and a crescent wrench, but instead with guns. The problem is I also want to be that car guy, so I'm going to need a damn good job.

Although if all works out the job won't be a problem.

I should ask is $1070.68 out the door a fair price?

CajunBass
March 12, 2012, 09:26 AM
Yours is a little older than mine then. Mine was probably made in 1954.

I don't know what's a "fair" price for one. I paid just under a grand for mine, with the box a year or so ago. I've never seen another one for sale, so that's the only price I've ever seen. I would say yours wasn't a bad price. They don't make them anymore.

http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b292/CajunBass/handguns/100_0221.jpg

As you can see in this picture, mine is a bit battle worn also.

http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b292/CajunBass/handguns/100_0237.jpg

It's a good shooter.

InfamousLegend
March 13, 2012, 12:37 AM
I just shot it today and 12 rounds went through her without a problem, reloaded and put her on SA. First shot and the gun locked up, and it took a moderate amount of force to open the cylinder. Now it gets caught up while spinning when open about where the serial number is. When closed I can freely spin the cylinder until it locks up on one cylinder only. Only one cylinder will now lock up.

I suspect I bent the cylinder rod, and since I can't visually see it wobble the bend must be very small. Either way I'm pissed at myself and I'm wondering if the gun was out of time a little and that is what caused it. No matter what I'm gonna get it fixed.

bigdogpete
March 13, 2012, 01:08 AM
Didn't know how much these are worth. My 27 was made in 1955 and is spotless. Handed down over the years from family. My dad handed it down to me about 30 years ago and also have the box.

bigdog

bikemutt
March 13, 2012, 01:15 AM
Check the left side plate screw, make sure it hasn't backed out and allowed the side plate to release a bit and interfere with the open cylinder.

InfamousLegend
March 13, 2012, 01:15 AM
They're very good guns, and don't take my one bad experience with it as how these gun's perform. I purchased it used and should have known it was going to need some work. Now once my California refund comes in ( California is so damn broke, it may take a while) I'm going to have a gun smith go through it and make sure it's 100% mechanically. Does anyone have an idea on how much it will cost a mechanic to make these repairs and inspect the gun?

Edit: Where is the left side plate screw?

Brian Williams
March 13, 2012, 06:59 AM
Check the left side plate screw, make sure it hasn't backed out and allowed the side plate to release a bit and interfere with the open cylinder.
There is not a left side plate screw on S&W revolvers.
It probably needs a through cleaning, remove the grips and soak the gun in a nice solvent, Ed's red comes to mind, the locking lug in the frame probably is not engaging well, check the screw in the front of the trigger guard.

bikemutt
March 13, 2012, 11:47 AM
Where is the left side plate screw?

Sorry, had Colt on my mind, carry on.

InfamousLegend
March 13, 2012, 02:50 PM
I took it back to where I bought it, they said they will look at the gun and as long as I didn't damage anything when opening the cylinder they will warranty it.

oldbear
March 13, 2012, 03:11 PM
The ware on your per M-27 only proves it was used as it was meant to be used. Take care of it and it will give you a life time of shooting pleasure.

InfamousLegend
March 13, 2012, 06:57 PM
I just got her and she's already my baby, and I will always take care of her. Tomorrow I get to pick up another gun, a Marlin 336 .30-30 with a wood stock and blued finish.

hariph creek
March 14, 2012, 01:39 AM
Man, somebody sure took you for a patsy. Don't you know that thing is to old to work. It can't be any good.
You should send it to me. I'll give it to the tweaker around here that hauls scrapmetal. He can have it ground up.
Don't you know you can get little tiny .357's, that weigh less than a pound? They're made of space age materiels, are unpleasent to shoot, have no ''soul'' and have a clever lock (to keep you safe). That's what you need.

Really, though, I love these. Congradulations.

There's a shop around here that had an unfired pre-27. I think he was asking about a grand. He's a jerk, I haven't been back in a couple years. Oh, I'd shoot it. I'd shoot and like it.

bikemutt
March 14, 2012, 01:45 AM
There's a shop around here that had an unfired pre-27. I think he was asking about a grand. He's a jerk, I haven't been back in a couple years.

Hmmm, pm me the shop, I'm in Vancouver, WA this week, I'll shake that gun loose from him.

hariph creek
March 14, 2012, 01:55 AM
It's called ''The Gun Room.'' The guy is a serious piece of work. You can call and see if he's still got it but, they ''don't quote prices over the phone.'' He does not haggle, period. Once you see his prices, you'll be amazed he only wants about a grand for the 27. Ask him about Glocks, Kimber vs. Colt, new S&W's, Ruger, etc... It's almost amusing, almost. To paraphrase Comic Book Guy from the Simpsons, ''worse gunshop, ever.''

Take 205 to Foster, head west, on the right, about a mile or so.

Are you on Northwest Firearms? If so, do a search on ''The Gun Room'' under the local buisnesses section.
It's a good read.

InfamousLegend
March 14, 2012, 02:07 AM
Part of the appeal to the gun was the fact it was made in an era where purchasing a gun was more of an investment. Guns from what I have heard were made with more pride and quality than they are today. That's why I chose a Pre-27, and it came in the caliber I wanted.

hariph creek
March 14, 2012, 02:16 AM
Craftmanship comes to mind, as opposed to manufacture.

PabloJ
March 14, 2012, 03:14 AM
Part of the appeal to the gun was the fact it was made in an era where purchasing a gun was more of an investment. Guns from what I have heard were made with more pride and quality than they are today. That's why I chose a Pre-27, and it came in the caliber I wanted.
The appeal in owning that gun is that one can shoot it a whole lot and with proper care not loose money in doing so which is not the case when "boxed in closet prima donna" gets taken out to the range.:eek:

InfamousLegend
March 14, 2012, 03:56 AM
Trust me, I will put my fair share down range with the gun and I will enjoy every bit of it. When time comes I will pass it down to my child. I've wondered how she would look with a professional engraving, nothing like my initials, just high quality hand engraved scroll work and oak leaves. Would that kill the value on this gun?

Iggy
March 14, 2012, 11:40 AM
YUP.

David E
March 14, 2012, 01:37 PM
. When time comes I will pass it down to my child. I've wondered how she would look with a professional engraving......

Might check with your child first to see what she thinks about being "engraved," but I think local laws require her to be 18......

:D

CajunBass
March 14, 2012, 04:15 PM
You sure do seem determined to mess up a perfectly good revolver.

InfamousLegend
March 14, 2012, 04:28 PM
Not determined no, it was just an afterthought. Didn't expect engraving to ruin the value of a gun. Originally I only wanted to fix some of the bluing if it didn't ruin the value but you guys said it would so I decided not to. The engraving would have been a long ways down the road, but I don't want to ruin the value so I won't.

CajunBass
March 14, 2012, 07:53 PM
Well, I was kinda busting your chops man. :D

Personally, I think engraving is ugly. I suppose that puts me in a minority, but I much prefer clean smooth metal to swirls, and curliequees, and oak leaves. Never did understand the attraction.

Frankly, guns like yours and mine have almost no real "collector" value. They're what're called "shooters." A gun has to be in almost perfect condition to attract the attention of a serious collector, and there is a BIG difference between a 95% and a 98% gun. Ours aren't close to 95%.

So would you hurt the "collectors" value? Probably not, because there isn't much. Would you hurt the market value? Probably so. A refinish not at much so, but you wouldn't recover your investment. The same would apply to engraving, but more so. You get something like engraving (or refinishing) done, because you want it done. Not because you think it will add value.

What you've got is a great example of "the way they used to make 'em." Shoot it, enjoy it.

I am not an expert, and it's been a long time since I stayed in a Holiday Inn Express.

InfamousLegend
March 15, 2012, 01:05 AM
As far as completeness where do you think my gun sits on the % index? 85%, 90%?

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