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Madcap_Magician
March 13, 2012, 11:27 AM
... on gunbroker, I missed a grail gun.

A LNIB, apparently unfired 3" Ruger Speed Six with Postal Inspector serial number and all original paperwork.

I was drooling over it for about a day, then some cruel person just bought it.

http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b217/nerevarsblade/pix312039376.jpg

http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b217/nerevarsblade/pix090600604.jpg

http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b217/nerevarsblade/pix041594534.jpg

http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b217/nerevarsblade/pix111172346.jpg

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CraigC
March 13, 2012, 11:38 AM
Why didn't you buy it?

Remllez
March 13, 2012, 11:41 AM
Very nice piece, I learned a long time ago that when you see a gun that floats your boat...
GO FOR IT...when you figure the extra expense drawn over a lifetime of use it really is negligible.

I'm not saying skip the mortgage payment for a gun, common sense should factor into your decision as well....:) but if it's within your means, why not? I've personally never seen one of those particular models so I may have gone for it myself!

CoRoMo
March 13, 2012, 11:45 AM
That's what the Buy Now button is for.

Revolver Ocelot
March 13, 2012, 12:26 PM
that makes two of us....see my sig....

how much did it go for?

CraigC
March 13, 2012, 01:19 PM
I'm eyeballing one right now that I really want and know I should jump on it but for some reason, I hesitate. Somebody else will probably end up with it while I'm being flaky.

Pancake81
March 13, 2012, 01:52 PM
When I see a grail gun, I BUY a grail gun.

I know, i am not telling anything you don't already know, and we have all been guilty of "watching and waiting".

But I but you $1 you won't do that again

PabloJ
March 13, 2012, 02:17 PM
I would not waste tear on that. To hold value it would have to remain unfired in box and that is no fun to own. That is what vintage postage stamps and coins are for.

slick6
March 13, 2012, 02:36 PM
There were some over runs of the GS-33 PS 3" Speed-Six. I was also looking for this specific Postal Service model-but, could not find one a few years ago. Then, I went to a small local gun show where I was surprised to find an over run GS33P that was(And still is)NIB as pictured below-that was produced in 1988 and was within the last 500 Speed-Sixes to come off the assembly line, in the last year of production!:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v631/shootit/P1020158.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v631/shootit/P1020157.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v631/shootit/P1020154.jpg

357 Terms
March 13, 2012, 03:49 PM
how much did it go for?


I want one also, and am curious as to what kind of bidding war I can expect.

And not just from RO :)

minutemen1776
March 13, 2012, 03:56 PM
Nice revolver. It appears to have gone for $649.99. That's quite a bit for a Speed Six, but not beyond the pale, especially for one so unusual. It seems the 2 3/4-inch Speed Sixes go for $200-$300 less, which is a lot for a 1/4 inch difference. Personally, I also find that the extra 1/4 inch produces an odd-looking profile at the muzzle. I guess I just like the slightly shorter ones a lot better.

slick6
March 13, 2012, 04:48 PM
Nice revolver. It appears to have gone for $649.99. That's quite a bit for a Speed Six, but not beyond the pale, especially for one so unusual. It seems the 2 3/4-inch Speed Sixes go for $200-$300 less, which is a lot for a 1/4 inch difference. Personally, I also find that the extra 1/4 inch produces an odd-looking profile at the muzzle. I guess I just like the slightly shorter ones a lot better.
That extra weight at the muzzle makes the gun to handle the firing of .357's much more comfortable to shoot.

Madcap_Magician
March 13, 2012, 05:34 PM
I didn't have the cash for it, otherwise I would have just hit Buy It Now. I had about half the cash for it, but wasn't going to have the rest before the auction ended unless I sold a gun, which I haven't yet. I was hoping someone would hold off on the Buy It Now until I could scrape up the rest of the money. I didn't bid on it, even, because my wife would have been Not Happy.

It went for $650 in a heartbeat, it was only up for two days out of ten. I hesitated a tad because that's a bit high for a Speed Six, even one like that, but it wasn't outrageously high, especially for a gun in such good condition. Did you see the extractor star? I bet it hadn't been fired since the factory test.

I would not waste tear on that. To hold value it would have to remain unfired in box and that is no fun to own. That is what vintage postage stamps and coins are for.

I think the value would have remained fairly good as long as you didn't damage it- the 3" guns are pretty rare, postal inspector guns more rare, and NIB ones nearly impossible to find, so one that was carried and shot relatively infrequently wouldn't lose a lot of value unless you really messed it up, I think.

EDIT: I would like to be able to jump on grail guns, but I can usually only afford one a year, which means when the grail gun comes up, I rarely have the money.

I have been surprised how few Six-series guns have been on Gunbroker or Gunsamerica lately.

minutemen1776
March 13, 2012, 06:30 PM
I had about half the cash for it, but wasn't going to have the rest before the auction ended unless I sold a gun, which I haven't yet.

I have learned that it is sometimes necessary to part with more common and easily acquired guns (or those I simply no longer like) for the sake of funding others that I really want and which become available much less frequently. I have quite a few really neat firearms because of that. Also, one collateral benefit is that I swap out firearms so frequently that my wife hardly notices anymore. :) But, whatever you do, you have to pounce on these guns when they hit the auctions. Case in point, when I bought my 2 3/4-inch Speed Six, it had just been listed at a good "Buy Now" price. The auction was only a few hours old when I scooped it.

Slick6, does the extra 1/4 inch of barrel length really matter that much? Is the overall barrel contour also heavier on the 3-inch models? Otherwise, I can't imagine that much tangible benefit.

Confederate
March 13, 2012, 07:33 PM
You'll be able to find another one, and at possibly a better price. I see Speed-Sixes on occasion, but you've got to hit the "Buy Now" button or you'll miss it. These things flitter past and you've got to be ready for them. Start stuffing the money in an envelope and you'll have enough in no time.

The only problem with these guns is that people who own them frequently don't want to get rid of them and the people who do sell them are hard up for cash. I wouldn't get rid of mine even if I was strapped. Only if they threatened to take my house away (and what would a mere handgun bring to prevent that?) would I consider selling mine. But look at the photos closely, because I've found that many guns are somewhat less desirable than described by the seller!


http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh198/jriler/Speed-Six_3.jpg


http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh198/jriler/Speed-Six_5.jpg

MARKMALL
March 13, 2012, 07:58 PM
I have a question for you. What is a "grail gun" ? Thank you.

Bush Pilot
March 13, 2012, 09:42 PM
I think we've all screwed the pooch when it comes to guns, either failing to buy one we wanted or sold one and then kicked ourselves.

Bush Pilot
March 13, 2012, 09:44 PM
I have a question for you. What is a "grail gun" ? Thank you.
It's a gun made by Grail Firearms years ago, very rare and very collectible. They don't come up for sale very often.

jon86
March 13, 2012, 09:55 PM
It's a gun made by Grail Firearms years ago, very rare and very collectible. They don't come up for sale very often.

Lol. Bush Pilot is being sarcastic.

A "grail gun" is a "holy grail." Basically, my holy grail will be different from your holy grail. It is a term used to describe a gun that is almost perfect. A gun that has all the features you want, and nothing that you don't. Everyone has different preferences, and thus, different "grail guns."

MARKMALL
March 13, 2012, 10:09 PM
jon86 Thank you for your reply!

minutemen1776
March 13, 2012, 10:27 PM
I agree with jon86's definition. I'll add that a "grail gun" is the subject of a "quest." It is usually something unusual and hard to find, or it is at least hard to find one that is affordable. Many gun guys seem to have one or two of these guns that they are constantly searching out. That's actually a big part of the fun.

CraigC
March 13, 2012, 10:40 PM
A "grail gun" is a "holy grail." Basically, my holy grail will be different from your holy grail. It is a term used to describe a gun that is almost perfect. A gun that has all the features you want, and nothing that you don't. Everyone has different preferences, and thus, different "grail guns."
Yep! A 4" S&W 1950 Target .44Spl is one of mine. The one I'm looking at, which I've decided to pass on, is another. Another would be a custom Ruger Bisley .500JRH, full blue, octagon barrel, ivory or french walnut and engraving. Another would be a full carbona blue, fully engraved Colt or USFA SAA in a 4" .38WCF or .44Spl with one-piece ivory.

MrDig
March 14, 2012, 12:24 AM
Mine would be an IMI Timberwolf in .357, or a copy of the Beretta .380 M1934 my dad brought one home and I never got the chance to shoot it, I always wanted to but we never got the chance.

slick6
March 14, 2012, 01:04 AM
I have learned that it is sometimes necessary to part with more common and easily acquired guns (or those I simply no longer like) for the sake of funding others that I really want and which become available much less frequently. I have quite a few really neat firearms because of that. Also, one collateral benefit is that I swap out firearms so frequently that my wife hardly notices anymore. :) But, whatever you do, you have to pounce on these guns when they hit the auctions. Case in point, when I bought my 2 3/4-inch Speed Six, it had just been listed at a good "Buy Now" price. The auction was only a few hours old when I scooped it.

Slick6, does the extra 1/4 inch of barrel length really matter that much? Is the overall barrel contour also heavier on the 3-inch models? Otherwise, I can't imagine that much tangible benefit.
It's not just the extra 1/4" barrel length-as compared to a 2-3/4" Speed-Six with a standard barrel profile, the 3" barrel is much heavier. The width of both the barrel rib and the barrel shroud are also wider. This extra mass does help in controlling the gun during firing.

Madcap_Magician
March 14, 2012, 11:34 AM
I have learned that it is sometimes necessary to part with more common and easily acquired guns (or those I simply no longer like) for the sake of funding others that I really want and which become available much less frequently. I have quite a few really neat firearms because of that. Also, one collateral benefit is that I swap out firearms so frequently that my wife hardly notices anymore. But, whatever you do, you have to pounce on these guns when they hit the auctions. Case in point, when I bought my 2 3/4-inch Speed Six, it had just been listed at a good "Buy Now" price. The auction was only a few hours old when I scooped it.

Yeah, I know. I immediately put a gun up for sale, but got no takers before whoever it was who bought it pounced.

PabloJ
March 14, 2012, 12:51 PM
Yeah, I know. I immediately put a gun up for sale, but got no takers before whoever it was who bought it pounced.
Serious postal stamp collectors are known to have bottomless pockets. LNIB with paperwork would be irresistible to them.

Hondo 60
March 14, 2012, 09:52 PM
Madcap_Magician:

I feel your pain my friend!
I've seen a couple of grail guns & just didn't have the money at that moment.

I REALLY want a S&W 13, 65 or 581 that's P&R'd
(If I could afford it, I'd like to have all 3, but that's a pipe dream)

Just keep your eye open, someday it'll come around again.

PabloJ
March 15, 2012, 02:11 AM
I don't see what the big deal is as one can get newly made smaller SP101 or slightly larger GP100 with 3" barrels. If I had to pick it would be GP100 Talo edition with 3" barrel and Novak sights. I don't see advantage of 3" barrel in .357 revolver that is too large and or heavy for the pocket to make matters less savory quality holsters for 4" guns are much easier to find.

earlthegoat2
March 15, 2012, 03:21 AM
I don't see what the big deal is as one can get newly made smaller SP101 or slightly larger GP100 with 3" barrels. If I had to pick it would be GP100 Talo edition with 3" barrel and Novak sights. I don't see advantage of 3" barrel in .357 revolver that is too large and or heavy for the pocket to make matters less savory quality holsters for 4" guns are much easier to find.

Why a TALO edition then? The others are more common and less expensive. (Though TALO edition guns are usually overpriced for what you get)

Same situation with the OP. He wants what he wants. Its HIS grail gun not yours.

Plus, any holster can be made for any gun. You mention quality holsters. IMO a quality holster is one which is custom made on a bespoke status. Not just a Galco off the shelf. You can get many custom made holsters for uncommon guns with uncommon barrel lengths. Or in the case of the OP, a common gun with an uncommon barrel length.

But all this purely acedemic unless you are going to carry and fire your grail.

jackpinesavages
March 15, 2012, 10:35 AM
I have a question for you. What is a "grail gun" ? Thank you.

Right, already answered but it's your choice of gun. After many years of shooting/training/shows you'll find something you'll aspire to.

The Colt Delta Elite, Italian made Beretta 92s, or some guys get their lid flipped on certain S&W j-frames from the 60s/70s/80s, etc.. Now a TSW4566? Hmmm....crazy. :D

CoRoMo
March 15, 2012, 10:54 AM
how much did it go for?
http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=277228570

skidder
March 15, 2012, 12:11 PM
It makes me sick:barf: how they destroyed most of the 3000 that were made. Our tax money paid for the guns and was then used to destroy them :(. Only the government could be so frugal. :cuss:

Jim NE
March 15, 2012, 06:24 PM
This thread reminds me of my grandfather. He was a post office employ during the first half of the twentieth century. He wasn't an inspector, I don't think, but worked (for a while, anyway) at a secure position that required him to have a gun. If I remember correctly, my dad said it was either a Colt or S&W revolver, which isn't surprising, but I think he said it was .32 caliber.

I wonder how often modern postal inspectors actually use their guns? Shipping drugs is a problem, I suppose.

Madcap_Magician
March 16, 2012, 05:22 PM
I don't see what the big deal is as one can get newly made smaller SP101 or slightly larger GP100 with 3" barrels. If I had to pick it would be GP100 Talo edition with 3" barrel and Novak sights. I don't see advantage of 3" barrel in .357 revolver that is too large and or heavy for the pocket to make matters less savory quality holsters for 4" guns are much easier to find.

Well, because the SP101 is a 5-shot, and the GP100 is larger and heavier. I think the K-frame size guns are perfect, and the Ruger Six series are the best of those, because they can handle a steady diet of hot 125-gr. .357 magnum that the Smith .357 K-frames can't. The GP100 is a fine gun, and it is a stronger design than the Six series, but with Rugers, which gun is stronger is pretty irrelevant, since the weakest Ruger Revolver design is basically indestructable.

There's also the history and rarity of the gun and the fact that it had all the original paperwork and box.

tubeshooter
March 17, 2012, 12:07 PM
That was a fine lookin' gun there. Hate you missed out on that one.

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