saiga sniper????


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chapperjoe
February 13, 2004, 07:33 AM
OK FOLKS WHEN I REFER TO SNIPER I MEAN SHOOTING OVER 250 YARDS!!!
LET THERE BE NO DOUBT HERE, THIS IS NOT A "WHAT IF I HAD TO TAKE SOMEONE OUT AT 250 yards" THING. THIS IS A "LONGER RANGED SHOOTING" THING.

With that said, I am planning on turning my saiga .223 into a sniper-setup (please hold your laughter). I am looking for advice on a scope, bipod, and perhaps a replacement stock - NOT A DArnED PISTOL GRIP, but a more comfortable stock!

My wants are:
-a scope made for the .223 round (like that rubber armoured one everyone advertises), with drop compensation, etc.

-a scope with a mil-dot reticle, prefereably

-A bipod that doesn't have to attch to the barrel

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SodaPop
February 13, 2004, 10:33 PM
How far do you really think you want to shoot?

What kind of groups can you shoot at 100yds?

What kind of ammo are you planning on using?


Don't worry........ I have a 3-9x40mm on my Mini 14 and it shoots 8inch groups at 500yds with 62gr Match and M855 reloads.

I'm willing to bet my Mini 14 has a better trigger than that Saiga of yours and you ought to think about a trigger job before you even bother trying to make it a long range shooter.

yayarx7
February 14, 2004, 03:37 PM
With that said, I am planning on turning my saiga .223 into a sniper-setup (please hold your laughter). I am looking for advice on a scope, bipod, and perhaps a replacement stock - NOT A DAMNED PISTOL GRIP, but a more comfortable stock!

The only stocks I know of require the moving of the trigger group to the normal AK position. I thought I had seen a Dravunov style that did not, but alas, I connot find it now.

Sharpshooter223
February 14, 2004, 04:53 PM
I like saiga's they are fun guns but I strongly suggest you don't even attempt to turn one into what you may consider to be a "sniper rifle". I strongly believe it would be wasted effort and money.

hillbilly
February 14, 2004, 08:32 PM
If you want a real "sniper rifle" you'd be much better served by getting either a Savage bolt action rifle, or some quality mil surp bolt action and snipering them, instead of trying to sniper-ify a Saiga.

There's on old saying something like no matter how much lipstick and how many strings of pearls you put on a hog, all you got is still a durn old hog.

I'm not saying a Saiga is a hog, or a bad rifle. But the saying does mean that you can't change what something really is, no matter how much you try to pretty it up.

A Saiga isn't designed to be a sniper rifle.

It'd be like putting mud tires, a light rack and roll bar on a Volvo station wagon.

Get a cheapie Savage and put a good scope on it, and then take it down to Badlands Tactical and let Mr. Steve Suttles teach you how to use it.

http://www.badlandstactical.net

hillbilly

JohnKSa
February 15, 2004, 02:55 AM
At 250 yards, with good ammo & optics, I'm guessing you should be able to get 5-6" groups.

The feel of the Saiga trigger is unusual, but the pull weight isn't high, and they're not hard to get used to (or at least I don't think so).

What would make or break it for me would be whether or not the twist will handle the heavy bullets (69grains & up). If it groups well with the heavies, then go for it. If you can't get it to group with the heavy bullet .223 ammo then sell it and buy something that will.

Onslaught
February 15, 2004, 03:03 AM
I think it's the term "sniper rifle" that's caused all the youcant-itis responses. Usually, "sniper rifle" means "precision rifle"... like 1/2 moa groups and such. Maybe I'm wrong, but I don't believe that's what you meant.

If you're just talking about shooting at and hitting a target at 300 yards with your Saiga, then you could absolutely do that... it just wouldn't win any tactical rifle matches. 300 yards really isn't a big deal at all with the .223, and from what I've read here, the .223 Saiga is the most accurate caliber they offer. So if you can get 2" at 100 yards, you'll (theoretically) be around 6" or so at 300.

Scope - dunno exactly. Whatever you can afford. I like the Burris Fullfield II with Ballistic Plex reticle, but even that's around $200.

Bipod - put a stud on your forend and use an Uncle Mike's.

Stock - Unless you want a pistol grip or at least Druganov stock, I don't think there is anything at all for the Saiga, except maybe a wooden stock from the importer.

And if, on the other hand, I was wrong in what I thought you were after, and you do indeed want to shoot golf balls at 300 yards, than I guess all the above posts were correct.

Redlg155
February 15, 2004, 03:27 AM
I take it that you have a synthetic stock on your Saiga. This is the factory wooden one that came with my rifle. Pretty nice for an AK based rifle in .308. Good cheek rest and a high comb like the European rifles.

As for the Bipod, the wood stock on my forearm has a sling swivel attatched to a bracket in the stock with a screw. It is my understanding that a standard type swivel stud has the same thread pitch. That's how I plan on mounting a bipod on mine.

http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid103/pc0981413e2954e0834c8741caf3a016e/f99ebc8d.jpg

Good Shooting
Red

yayarx7
February 19, 2004, 03:30 PM
http://www.akfiles.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=241
http://www.akfiles.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=240
I found this to bring this thread back to the top.

Morlock
February 20, 2004, 01:53 PM
yayarx7

Any idea who make this ????

Master Blaster
February 20, 2004, 02:23 PM
http://www.akfiles.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=240

I took thisoff the attachment and I will be going to the site to look for it.

Master Blaster Likes too!!!

chapperjoe
February 20, 2004, 02:46 PM
folks, call me susan and slap me silly but I think SKS stocks might fit saiga's well. I am going to try it out. I'm gonna buy the stock below and then saw off everything from the trigger or magazine forward - not sure which one. But the guys at the range agree that it should be possible. Both have a very rear placed trigger, mag is some distance forward. I am gonna do some clever modification to the stock, cuase i like the vepr-ish handguard on the saiga though. What do yall think???
http://www.sksman.com/images/butcreeksksstock.jpg
http://www.sksman.com/images/ati_mont_both.jpg

yayarx7
February 20, 2004, 10:11 PM
IMO sounds like a lot of work to cut up a $30 stock. Maybe a Chinese SKS take off wooden stock would be the way to go.....

...wait a minute, why would that be better than the factory Saiga stock?

yayarx7
February 20, 2004, 10:15 PM
...http://thehighroad.org/attachment.php?s=&postid=812499
For the cheeckrest?

chapperjoe
February 22, 2004, 07:58 AM
I LOVE that stock, where how when can i get it????????

The stock I have now has the palm too far away from trigger. I have short fingers. I do not want a pistol grip, but I ned my hand closer to trigger.

Redlg155
February 23, 2004, 02:38 AM
Chapperjoe,

Mine came from the factory like that but EAA sells them for $65.00.
http://www.eaacorp.com/parts/diagrams/saiga308lg.shtml

That price seems kinda high, so I'd search around a bit for a better deal. Still, as far as wood stocks go the Saiga wood stock is very nice. I may also fit a Mak 90 Sporter type thumbhole stock to the Saiga. This pic is one of a Russian police version and thumbhole stock. I think I could get close to that look with one of the Norinco thumbhole stocks.

http://club.guns.ru/images/saiga/sig3082.jpg

Good Shooting
Red

chapperjoe
February 23, 2004, 07:27 AM
funny thing bout that wood stock. we know that krebs does saiga conversions, so i checked their site, and they sell the stocks that they take off. the wood one is 45$. http://www.krebscustom.com/CustomParts.html#saigastocks

I dont know if i will try the sks stock now, causze i really li,e the way the wood stock looks and lokks like it feels!@

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