Cheap guns from Russia incoming?


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liqudus
March 16, 2012, 03:48 AM
So I was reading an article about Russia joining the WTO (http://en.rian.ru/russia/20111216/170311686.html) which would end our current trade agreement where Russia does not import guns and weapons to the states. So maybe we'll be able to pick up Izhmash AKs? Nuggets for $25? Maybe even AK-12s (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AK-12)? :)

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shotgunjoel
March 16, 2012, 03:50 AM
Don't count on it. We still have the whole "sporting purposes" checklist. What is likely to happen if everything works out, is that a ton of ammo will be put on the market.

Carl N. Brown
March 16, 2012, 04:00 AM
Cheaper than $100? I don't think it's economically possible

Well, Russia does export guns and weapons to the US as curios and relics. The prices on Mosin-Nagant rifles, Nagant revolvers probably could not be practically lower than they are and still be worth it to the Russians to export them. As Curios and Relics, Russian SKSs have been imported to the US when Chinese SKSs have been banned (largely due to incidents like the Empress Phoenix affair where Chinese officials were caught gunrunning). The GCA limits on "sporting purposes" that limits new Izhmash AKs to the civilian Saiga configuration is, well, Title I of the US federal firearms regulations which has little to do with World Trade and more to do with US law.

Quiet
March 16, 2012, 04:09 AM
During the 1990s, the Clinton Administration and Russia agreed to a ban on non-sporting firearms to the USA.
This ban also includes parts kits of non-sporting firearms.

This ban can not be lifted unless the Russian Gov and the current administration agrees to remove it.

Nushif
March 16, 2012, 04:11 AM
This ban can not be lifted unless the Russian Gov and the current administration agrees to remove it.

If that's the case I don't see it happening no matter which side ...
Dirt cheap ammo though ... YES PLEASE!

Hardware
March 16, 2012, 11:59 AM
I'll take an SVT-40, please. :)

rule303
March 16, 2012, 03:00 PM
Most of our Russian surplus weapons come here by way of the former easterm bloc countries, like Ukraine, and Bulgaria. I don't think any trade agreement will trump the voluntary arms resrictions we currently have with Russia. We can already get Izhmash AK's in the neutered Saiga form, they wouldn't be "sporting" in their military configuration, so they can't be imported from any country.

writerinmo
March 16, 2012, 04:04 PM
It's relatively easy to convert a Saiga into a "non-sporting" version and still be in complete compliance with 922r regulations. Just replace the Russian parts with parts made in the US and you're good to go.

Ryanxia
March 16, 2012, 04:26 PM
Some cool things might come our way.

jk2008
March 16, 2012, 04:58 PM
I read recently that the Russians captured thousands of Japanese rifles at the end of WWII. If this is true, I'd welcome an influx of inexpensive Arisakas to the C&R market.

FIVETWOSEVEN
March 16, 2012, 05:00 PM
Would be nice to see some modern Russian handguns here.

Prince Yamato
March 16, 2012, 05:48 PM
No reason they couldn't import a bunch of pistols- not subject to 922(r).

BTR
March 16, 2012, 06:10 PM
Right now, the only guns russia can export to the USA, are on a list (Saiga, Mosin Nagent, etc) by name.

They make a lot of stuff that could be imported under our sporting purpose laws, but are only banned because they aren't on the list- handguns such as Makarov pistols, a sporterized SVD (the TIGR) for example. So, we may be seeing some some interesting things coming in eventually.

Russia makarovs are highly prized- maybe they will be come cheap.

gunnutery
March 16, 2012, 06:39 PM
http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2012/03/12/wto-membership-could-open-floodgate-of-russian-guns-ammo/

Here's the article I think the OP was addressing. The author details that with membership into the WTO, all previously made export agreements are nullified, but they can choose to hold onto one agreement. The article says it more succinctly than I can.

FIVETWOSEVEN
March 17, 2012, 11:25 PM
a sporterized SVD (the TIGR)

Doesn't that have an evil threaded barrel?

wally
March 18, 2012, 11:41 AM
Russia makarovs are highly prized

Not as much as the East German ones. The Russian ones were "cheap" before the AWB, mostly for lack of ammo at the time.

writerinmo
March 18, 2012, 06:46 PM
My Saiga in 7.62 came in the military version, dimpled receiver and threaded barrel. Seems to be hit and miss with them though, I guess I just got lucky.

Wolfsbane
March 21, 2012, 01:28 AM
The Japanese arms captured by the Soviets were given to Mao and his insurgents to fight to liberate China from the evil clutches of Chiang Kai Shek's crooked nationalist kleptocracy, so they could install their own. I'd doubt there's any left in Russian hands today.

jk2008 wrote:

"I read recently that the Russians captured thousands of Japanese rifles at the end of WWII. If this is true, I'd welcome an influx of inexpensive Arisakas to the C&R market."

Hardware
March 21, 2012, 11:45 AM
Oh, wait. Can I have a Winchester 1895 in 7.62x54r?

tyeo098
March 21, 2012, 01:40 PM
Oh, wait. Can I have a Winchester 1895 in 7.62x54r?
This.
This soooooo bad.

35Rem
March 21, 2012, 01:42 PM
YES! Win 1895 in 7.62x54R!

.45Guy
March 21, 2012, 08:27 PM
Here's the poop on the '95s... http://surplusrifleforum.com/viewtopic.php?f=28&t=118097

Swing
March 21, 2012, 11:45 PM
It would be nice, but don't hold your breath.

Charger442
March 22, 2012, 02:00 PM
if they wont let in US made C&R military surplus rifles from south korea, what makes you think theyll allow the import of russian made rifles?

step one, get rid of the current administration. then, it might not be as much of a pipe dream, but still going to be tough.

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