Ruger SR40C vs. S&W M&P 40C


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sigpro
March 16, 2012, 09:34 AM
Ruger SR40C vs. S&W M&P 40C for concealed carry? Please discuss.

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Stasher1
March 20, 2012, 11:46 AM
That's easy: M&P

I do not want, nor do I need, a thumb safety, mag safety, or loaded chamber indicator that sticks up like a picket sign.

The M&P can be had with or without the thumb/mag safeties, or in any combination thereof that you may desire, and has a nice little unobtrusive hole where the chamber and slide meet so you can see if it's loaded or not. All the "extra" features of the Ruger, or none of them, in a proven design with lots of quality holster options.

Tex4426
March 20, 2012, 12:33 PM
have shot a sr9 and sr9c for over 1000 round each without any problems..the indicater is nice in case someone pics it up and its got one in the chamber or you forget its loaded..it only sticks up ilke 1/16 of an inch ...they are both nice pistol that should function without flaw so really is personal preference/how much you want to spend(not sure on prices in your area but the sr is 80-100 cheaper than the m+p here)..idk about the m+p but for 70 bucks youu can buy drop in trigger parts for the sr and makes a pretty sweet trigger..i also have a crimson trace laser for the sr9c..it runs about 180..its not the grip one it is contoured to the gun on the rail and has a pressure on switch on middle finger under trigger gaurd..it was well worth the 180..and i think it fits the sr40c

easyg
March 20, 2012, 12:37 PM
The good news is you can't go wrong with either one.

The M&P is slightly smaller in the length and height dimensions and holds 1 more round in the standard magazine than the SR40c.
But the SR40c has a better trigger-pull IMO.

mgmorden
March 20, 2012, 01:47 PM
Both SHOOT just fine, but I have to say that I agree with Stasher on the lawyer crap.

The loaded chamber indicator is obnoxious and intrusive. If it need be there at all, something like the witness hole the M&P uses is much better (and Ruger themselves did this same exact thing on the LCP, so its not like they're completely against the idea).

The mag disconnect and thumb safety are again negatives. Except for those small quips I'll call them equals and say to get the Ruger just because its cheaper. With those caveats though, I'd lean towards getting the M&P instead.

Big_John1961
March 20, 2012, 01:53 PM
My experience with the M&P is nothing but positive, so I'd opt for that. I can't speak to any Ruger firearms.

Stasher1
March 20, 2012, 02:25 PM
Both SHOOT just fine, but I have to say that I agree with Stasher on the lawyer crap.

The loaded chamber indicator is obnoxious and intrusive. If it need be there at all, something like the witness hole the M&P uses is much better (and Ruger themselves did this same exact thing on the LCP, so its not like they're completely against the idea).

The mag disconnect and thumb safety are again negatives. Except for those small quips I'll call them equals and say to get the Ruger just because its cheaper. With those caveats though, I'd lean towards getting the M&P instead.


Just make sure you shop around. I found the SR40c/SR9c for less than $380 locally, but my M&P9c was only $20 more from a local LE distributor.

crracer_712
March 20, 2012, 02:32 PM
I have an SR9c and a M&P40c. Both great pistols. My M&P has no safties, while the SR9c only comes one way. I adapt to either, I never notice the LCI on the SR9c, I never shoot without a mag installed on anything, I have multiple guns with a thumb safety.

I've got several Ruger's, and a couple Smith pistols. If I could only have one, I'd probably choose the M&P. But I don't have only one, and really enjoy shooting both.

haybaler
March 20, 2012, 02:37 PM
I have a SR9c.

1. The only time I notice the loaded chamber indicator is when I look directly at the top of the slide from above. I've never noticed it while shooting. It's a non issue.

2. The thumb safety is so small you don't even know it's there. If you don't want to use it, don't. I like having it there.

3. This is the first gun I've owned with a mag safety. I like it.

4. The Ruger was over $130.00 cheaper than the M&P at the gunshop I purchased it from.

sigpro
March 20, 2012, 04:18 PM
Thanks for the in-put. I decided on the M&P 40c. I've heard nothing but good things about the Ruger, but it seems like there are more holsters and what not avaliable for the M&P.

crracer_712
March 20, 2012, 04:32 PM
Meh.... you couldn't have gone wrong either way. Enjoy!

I'm just glad you chose American made!

Spdracr39
March 20, 2012, 04:55 PM
I really love the feel and trigger pull of my Ruger sr9c. The safety is there if you want it and the mag safety isn't a factor at all.

mgmorden
March 20, 2012, 05:04 PM
The safety is there if you want it and the mag safety isn't a factor at all.

Magazine disconnect. I refuse to call such a useless feature that can actually get in the way when you want to fire the gun a "safety". :)

I realize that the feature MIGHT (MIGHT) have had some bearing back when everyone was used to revolvers, but in the modern age to me it doesn't even make sense to equate the magazine being in the gun to the weapon being able to fire - particularly when there are plenty of cases when you specifically want to fire (or at least dry fire) the gun with no mag in.

One primary being a case in Atlanta were a guy was shooting at a police officer thinking him to be an imposter. In his panic the police officer accidentically dropped the mag and surprise - he's now unable to return fire despite having a perfectly good round still in the chamber that the gun WON'T LET HIM SHOOT.

In a less dire scenario, virtually every gun-game out there (USPSA, IPSC, IDPA, SCSA, etc) requires that you remove the magazine, show clear, and dry fire your weapon at the end of a course of fire. A magazine disconnect doesn't allow that, requiring you to either disable the device of the game's rules allow, or carry an empty or fake magazine along with you just to be able to decock the gun.

TarDevil
March 20, 2012, 05:05 PM
I really love the feel and trigger pull of my Ruger sr9c. The safety is there if you want it and the mag safety isn't a factor at all.
Concur. And the loaded chamber indicator... cannot figure out why it's such a bother.

Tex4426
March 20, 2012, 05:14 PM
i cant either tardevil...just one of those things ppl bash just to bash

Tex4426
March 20, 2012, 05:17 PM
(USPSA, IPSC, IDPA, SCSA, etc)

the gun was not designed to shoot these as far as im aware..its a reliable, fairly cheap gun to go out and have fun with

sigpro
March 20, 2012, 05:19 PM
The M&P i ordered does not have the mag safety. not crazy about the loaded chamber on the Ruger. Looks like a shark fin on the back of the gun. Only kidding, heard great things about the Ruger, but got a deal on the S&W. Plus the S&W just fits my hand better.

Tex4426
March 20, 2012, 05:23 PM
Plus the S&W just fits my hand better.

now thats a legitimate reason to choose one over the other

crracer_712
March 20, 2012, 05:46 PM
Beware, the 40c is a snappy pistol. Don't have the SR40c to compare too, but I will some day.

TarDevil
March 20, 2012, 05:58 PM
Don't have the SR40c to compare too, but I will some day.

I don't have a SR45 to compare either, but keep writing Ruger hoping I will some day!!

Tex4426
March 20, 2012, 06:00 PM
do the make a sr45 or are you refering to the sr1911?

or were u just wanting them to make an sr45

TarDevil
March 20, 2012, 07:07 PM
do the make a sr45 or are you refering to the sr1911?

or were u just wanting them to make an sr45
Waiting/hoping/praying for a SR45!!

Tex4426
March 20, 2012, 07:25 PM
That would be a good one..I however have fallen in love with the new sr1911

mgmorden
March 20, 2012, 08:29 PM
(USPSA, IPSC, IDPA, SCSA, etc)

the gun was not designed to shoot these as far as im aware..its a reliable, fairly cheap gun to go out and have fun with

Very few are specifically designed for these games (the most common factory style pistol is the Glock which certainly isn't), and as I said - the mag disconnect has distinct disadvantages in real life situations as well.

Nothing about removing the mag disconnect, thumb safety, or loaded chamber indicator would change anything regarding the gun's reliability nor cheapness. They're baggage that are holding an otherwise good gun back in several areas, added only due to the fear of lawyers and lawsuits.

As a matter of fact, having shot one and enjoyed it while I was shopping for a new striker fired gun, I can honestly say that I'd own an SR9 if it weren't for all those little annoyances (I own 3 other Ruger handguns and have always been a fan of the brand). Instead, I ended up buying an M&P.

Tex4426
March 20, 2012, 08:39 PM
Hey to each his own..that stuff doesn't bother me whether its there are not...at as low as 380 bucks in my area (average 410 bucks) I just bought it for a fun gun

ritepath
March 20, 2012, 09:36 PM
I like my 9c but I really like being able to feel the loaded chamber indicator.

That being said my next poly pistol will probably be a M&P 40 as a friend to my 9c

crracer_712
March 20, 2012, 10:10 PM
Rumor has it the SR45 is about a year and a half out. I'm a compact pistol type person, so hoping they do a SR45c.

I'm still waiting on my LGS to get me a SR1911 in. I really had no interest in the 1911 until Ruger came out with one, I really like the looks of the Ruger and have since looked at several models, including Smith and Wesson. But I won't buy one until I first have the Ruger.

Probably end up getting a M&P45c to satisfy my want for a 45acp before I ever see my SR1911.

Tex4426
March 20, 2012, 10:17 PM
good luck on the 1911...ive had the chance at 1 so far and the dealer was asking 800...i will wait the other dealer i buy from sells them for 6 plus i will have to pay a 20 dollar transfer fee to get it across state lines..might be a year but i can wait for 200 bucks

reb27
March 21, 2012, 11:59 AM
Give me the Smith, anyday, over the Ruger. Don't want a mag disconnect and don't want a thumb safety(unless it's on a High-Power or 1911). And the S&W just looks better, imo.

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