Beretta 93R Questions


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el Godfather
March 17, 2012, 06:00 AM
Dear THR,

Here is a link on youtube for Beretta 93R:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_1cFUJEaYrI

I want to ask what am I missing? I thought the 93R was a tri burst machine pistol, but in this video the guy is firing it on full auto.

Any input would be welcome. Any other videos that are unique would be appreciated. I want to make this thread all about 93R.

Also, does anyone know the price of this pistol in the US? What is its collection worth?

Thanks

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tarosean
March 17, 2012, 08:49 AM
Also, does anyone know the price of this pistol in the US? What is its collection worth?

I dont think there is a single REAL Beretta 93R in the registry thats transferable to mere mortals. (I could be wrong thou) designed in the late 70's Italy well after 68 GCA ban here.

I know there are a few Taurus's and at least 1 M9 built on 93 parts kits. last one I saw of those for dealer transfer was around 16k..

el Godfather
March 17, 2012, 03:32 PM
Did you watch the video?

Walther P99
March 17, 2012, 04:11 PM
Dang that gun looks cool, too bad any one here would cost a fortune..

Swing
March 17, 2012, 06:00 PM
I vaguely recall that all the transferable "Beretta 93Rs" in the US are built on Taurus frames and were papered/converted pre-86. Could this be one of those?

Prince Yamato
March 18, 2012, 12:20 AM
...or a post-sample 92 modded to full auto. There's full auto sears available for Beretta 92 pistols.

el Godfather
March 18, 2012, 03:34 PM
92 can be made to fire full auto, but the frames of 93R and 92 are quite distinctly different.

TurtlePhish
March 18, 2012, 05:00 PM
And he does have the foregrip.

tarosean
March 19, 2012, 05:37 AM
I dont think anyone is discounting the fact that are some 93R's in the US.

The issue is you asked about price and collection. Im assuming your an average person on the street which means you could never own one, period, regardless of cost.

Unless of course you get into the weapon manufacturing, FFL sales to LE businesses, or happen to live in another country.

I am subjected to fully automatic gun porn every day. I could purchase just about any of these guns for a fraction of what they would cost in the US.

Unfortunately being an average person on the street I cannot import/export them into the US. Plus ending up in prison is not my cup of tea..

Miked7762
March 19, 2012, 07:48 PM
Is is a real 93R, like you said the frame of the 93 is very distinct. Despite him saying he's firing "full auto" he's in fact firing in three round bursts. Watch the first couple of bursts, each has one trigger pull and three rounds. In the longer burst he's just mashing the trigger as fast as he can. If you can do that fast enough (not hard) the gun will fire cyclically.

Swing
March 20, 2012, 09:50 PM
It looks like 3-round bursts until the last mag dump. He could be mashing it hard, though, I don't see the fingers move.

FIVETWOSEVEN
March 20, 2012, 10:00 PM
You can convert it to full auto and back without modifying parts in 2 minutes. You just put a piece of a rubberband under the burst fire ratchet and then it's full auto. He made a video on it.

Sam Cade
March 20, 2012, 10:03 PM
I vaguely recall that all the transferable "Beretta 93Rs" in the US are built on Taurus frames and were papered/converted pre-86. Could this be one of those?

There are at least a half dozen or so made from 93R parts on scratch built frame. One is built on a titanium frame. Pretty nifty.

crazy-mp
March 20, 2012, 10:50 PM
I vaguely recall that all the transferable "Beretta 93Rs" in the US are built on Taurus frames and were papered/converted pre-86. Could this be one of those?

I know for sure there were 4 built on Taurus frames, they have unique serial numbers. The guy who made them used his daughter's name then number 1-4. There is a SOT on the east cost that has transferred 2 of them.

Swing
March 21, 2012, 11:32 PM
Out of curiosity, who built the Taurus-frame guns back in the day? I only vaguely recall it from the good ol' days of NFA.

Sam Cade
March 22, 2012, 12:15 AM
Dave Boatman did the scratch built ones.
No idea on any built on taurus frames.

el Godfather
April 6, 2012, 02:25 AM
In US what would be cost of transferable 93r if one is found?

Prince Yamato
April 6, 2012, 09:24 AM
Before I forget, Beretta made a limited release of factory Beretta "93" SBRs in either the late 70s or early 80s. I suppose one could have made an mg from those as well.

Swing
April 6, 2012, 09:57 AM
Interesting. Were any of those SBRs imported? On the topic, what is the import statutes on SBRs and the like (SBS, AOW)?

tarosean
April 6, 2012, 12:13 PM
Before I forget, Beretta made a limited release of factory Beretta "93" SBRs in either the late 70s or early 80s. I suppose one could have made an mg from those as well.

Beretta made the 93 up to 1990 or so... Its just been illegal to import into the US since 1968....



As for price godfather... Ive heard (never seen a transferable copy for sale) between 25,000-45,000.

DoubleTapDrew
April 6, 2012, 02:50 PM
In US what would be cost of transferable 93r if one is found?

I saw one a few years ago on an auction site like gunbroker. IIRC the starting price was $28k, but I don't think it got any bids. It claimed to be a real, transferrable 93R.

el Godfather
April 6, 2012, 05:52 PM
28k is not bad at all for what it is.

Rare item and jewel in collection. Not everyone's cup of tea though.

Prince Yamato
April 6, 2012, 11:15 PM
The 93 sbrs... I think they were a limited run of 300 or so. They had to be us manufacture and they come with certificates of authenticity. You see them on gunbroker once in a blue moon.

http://www.hk94.com/hk/topic/28660-factory-beretta-92-short-barrel-rifle/

Cliffhanger
April 10, 2012, 01:39 PM
Wow, now that is cool!

GRAPE-DRANK
April 11, 2012, 12:06 PM
Here's a full-auto 92fs (non-transferable):http://tbasuppressors.com/machine-guns-for-sale/

The Hughes Amendment really irritates me.

MenaceMan47
April 12, 2012, 07:07 PM
I saw that video a while back; the guy puts a dental rubber band (one of those small braces rubber bands) in the ladder mechanism to prevent it from shooting in burst. Neat trick, really. Non-permanent modification that makes a 93R that much better than before.

el Godfather
April 15, 2012, 01:21 PM
The 92FS full auto is nothing special. Its just full auto. Let me just state one thing here. I collect weapons and I go after the unique items regardless of the price. 93R is a unique item not because it fires auto bursts but because it is no longer in production and illegal in many place. This does not mean I want illegal weapons, just that the one's which are close to impossible to come by, and I complete all legal aspects before buying them and transferring them.

I have heard that there are some 93Rs in Italy with some retired Italian security officials. Let's see as my guy is searching the possibility.

Machine pistols have become rare with various ungodly bans around the world. What a pitty!

tarosean
April 15, 2012, 06:35 PM
The 92FS full auto is nothing special. Its just full auto. Let me just state one thing here. I collect weapons and I go after the unique items regardless of the price. 93R is a unique item not because it fires auto bursts but because it is no longer in production and illegal in many place. This does not mean I want illegal weapons, just that the one's which are close to impossible to come by, and I complete all legal aspects before buying them and transferring them.
I have heard that there are some 93Rs in Italy with some retired Italian security officials. Let's see as my guy is searching the possibility.


I can understand if you want to collect... But the only thing your allowed to buy is a fake. So really what makes it different than the FA 92fs? (Assuming your an every day joe, and not a dealer/sot) Dont make much sense to me?

Ive seen them all over the middle east. Yemen, Oman, Saudi... Dont do me a damn bit of good thou.

el Godfather
May 20, 2012, 03:07 PM
I have located a collector and might be soon that I get his 93R transfered into my name. Price is $28000 but we are negotiating.

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