Deal reached in Tennessee woman's NYC gun arrest ...


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David
March 19, 2012, 12:56 PM
It seems like a deal has been reached in this case .........

http://m.nypost.com/f/mobile/news/local/manhattan/tenn_woman_gets_gun_jail_deal_after_dofHcAmB3njjQb8nYTQWXP

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NavyLCDR
March 19, 2012, 01:11 PM
Lot's of crap in that article about "registered" firearms! I guess I would not be able to get a plea deal since none of my guns are registered.

I wonder how it is going to go for the Marine who refused the plea deal?

David
March 19, 2012, 01:15 PM
I was thinking the same thing about the Marine.

If the Marine does decide to take his case to a NYC jury, I hope they do the right thing.

Bubba613
March 19, 2012, 02:12 PM
She was darn lucky because NY has a mandatory 2 year (maybe more) jail sentence for "gun crimes." Just ask Plaxico Burris.
With any luck this will shine some light on the roaches in NY and make them reconsider their idiotic laws.

22-rimfire
March 19, 2012, 02:22 PM
I think they made a reasonable offer under NYC law. I feel that it should have never come to this, but that is NYC.

9teenEleven
March 19, 2012, 02:26 PM
This is truly insane to me that possession of a gun ANYWHERE by a law abiding citizen could land jail time.

Owen Sparks
March 19, 2012, 02:35 PM
There is only ONE item that the Constitution of the United States guarantees you the right to possess.

NYC is breaking the law, not the woman from Tennessee .

Double Vision
March 19, 2012, 02:57 PM
States including Tennessee and Michigan don't even consider an out-of-state, registered weapons rap to be a crime, he said.

I want to be from Tennessee!

Glad to hear this woman is getting as fair a shake as you can expect from NYC.

jk2008
March 19, 2012, 03:37 PM
When the article stated that she had a Tennessee-registered gun, I took this to mean that she had a CCW permit. If that were the case, she would have had to have taken an approved handgun safety course which should have taught her that gun laws vary at the state, county and city levels and that knowing the law was her responsibility. You would think maybe she should have known better. Glad she didn't get jail time for this, though.

I visited NYC once a few years back... that was enough for me.

alsaqr
March 19, 2012, 04:00 PM
i'm very happy for the lady.

The former Marine is another matter. His past came back to haunt him: He had a very short, less than stellar hitch in the USMC.

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/02/29/nyregion/ex-marine-facing-gun-charge-had-bad-record-manhattan-prosecutor-says.html?_r=2

Midwest
March 19, 2012, 04:15 PM
Glad that there is a happy ending to this.

Spats McGee
March 19, 2012, 04:53 PM
Does TN even have gun registration? Honestly, I'll be a little surprised if it does.

altitude_19
March 19, 2012, 05:00 PM
The former Marine is another matter. His past came back to haunt him: He had a very short, less than stellar hitch in the USMC.
A SUMMARY court martial is nothing in the grander scheme of things. You can't even be taken to a Summary without giving your consent. Anyone know exactly what this Marine's charges were at his court martial. Whatever the case, Court Martial sounds big and scary so I'm sure it will continue to get thrown around.

TXSWFAN
March 19, 2012, 05:06 PM
The former Marine is another matter. His past came back to haunt him: He had a very short, less than stellar hitch in the USMC.

There are two sides to every story. I'm more inclined to believe the Marine's Pastor father over some green weenie.

alsaqr
March 19, 2012, 05:10 PM
Anyone know exactly what this Marine's charges were at his court martial.



The letter quotes a memo written in 2003 by Mr. Jerome’s commander saying that the private had disappeared for a month and admitted to using marijuana.

“He has shown little interest in the welfare of his fellow Marines, and has showed a lack of effort in his day-to-day tasks,” his commander wrote in recommending discharge. “Clearly Pfc. Jerome joined the Marine Corps to have someone else look after him, and be paid for the minimal effort and work he performs daily.”

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/02/29/nyregion/ex-marine-facing-gun-charge-had-bad-record-manhattan-prosecutor-says.html?_r=3

Double Naught Spy
March 19, 2012, 07:03 PM
There is only ONE item that the Constitution of the United States guarantees you the right to possess.

NYC is breaking the law, not the woman from Tennessee .

People keep making these claims, but such laws remain and are enforced. Until folks start enforcing the Constitution, these other laws are the reality law of the land, not the Constitution.

callenlee
March 19, 2012, 10:47 PM
Does TN even have gun registration? Honestly, I'll be a little surprised if it does.
When I've bought my guns in TN the FFL completes the federal form, calls the state for a quick background check, and then away we go. To my knowledge the extent of the registration is the FFL's paperwork but I may be incorrect as I'm a newbie.

Owen Sparks
March 20, 2012, 01:01 AM
People keep making these claims, but such laws remain and are enforced. Until folks start enforcing the Constitution, these other laws are the reality law of the land, not the Constitution.

Does anyone besides me realize the gravity of that statement?

Twiki357
March 20, 2012, 01:07 AM
Glad she didn't get to badly screwed by NY. Interesting about the registered aspect. I would have a problem in that situation since Arizona not only doesn't have gun registration, but state law specifically prohibits it. I wonder if she got her gun back (And how.)

P.S. Not that there is any possibility of me ever going there.

Dr_B
March 20, 2012, 01:08 AM
TN does not have gun registration.

Serenity
March 20, 2012, 01:43 AM
I doubt the writers have a clue. Shoot when I filled out the FFL paperwork for my gun I thought it was registered in my name. I didn't care, I just had to have that shiny thing.

AirForceShooter
March 20, 2012, 10:17 AM
NYC just wants these people to go away.
I have a feeling the Marine may go the Constitutional defense route of the 14 amendment.
Let's see if SAF picks this up or possibly the ACLU.

That's NYC's nightmare.

AFS

mgmorden
March 20, 2012, 11:29 AM
Let's see if SAF picks this up or possibly the ACLU.

While I think most of the other stuff the ACLU does is great, they sadly are very anti-gun. They won't be taking this particular case on.

AirForceShooter
March 20, 2012, 11:32 AM
Since Miller and Heller the ACLU has changed it's tune on the 2nd.
They now support the individual rights to gun ownership.

AFS

Derek Zeanah
March 20, 2012, 11:33 AM
Since Miller and Heller the ACLU has changed it's tune on the 2nd.
They now support the individual rights to gun ownership.
Yep. Had a discussion with one of their directors and while there's still some resistance, the organization is moving in a "support ALL of the Bill of Rights" direction.

Rail Driver
March 20, 2012, 11:40 AM
When the article stated that she had a Tennessee-registered gun, I took this to mean that she had a CCW permit. If that were the case, she would have had to have taken an approved handgun safety course which should have taught her that gun laws vary at the state, county and city levels and that knowing the law was her responsibility. You would think maybe she should have known better.

Did you actually read all of the article? A couple points in your response I'd like to address...

#1, not all CCW classes are equal. Many of them are literally the bare minimum, and some of those don't even take the time to explain to the attendees that laws are different from place to place. She may or may not have been aware that the laws in NYC are different (and unconstitutional, but that's for another thread).

#2, it's also mentioned in the article that the woman is a working nurse, and a student studying to become a doctor. It's further mentioned that she works a swing shift. Even someone without a hectic, extremely demanding job like a nurse can start to miss things when they take up a swing shift job. Do you expect everyone to be running at 110% all the time and never make a mistake? Do you run 110% all the time and never make mistakes?

I think, personally, that the woman shouldn't have accepted the plea offer. Accepting the plea offer is admission of guilt for some crime. She committed no crime unless you choose to grant authority to an unconstitutional law. We need to fight to get these laws stricken from the books, not just plea the charges down so that NYC can take money from people via fines when they offer these pleas. I've said it before, and I'll say it again. This whole situation is BS. We need to "man up" and take back our nation.

Vector
March 20, 2012, 11:46 AM
When the article stated that she had a Tennessee-registered gun, I took this to mean that she had a CCW permit. If that were the case, she would have had to have taken an approved handgun safety course which should have taught her that gun laws vary at the state, county and city levels and that knowing the law was her responsibility. You would think maybe she should have known better. Glad she didn't get jail time for this, though.

I visited NYC once a few years back... that was enough for me.

You are joking, right?

Why would someone getting a CCW in Tennessee be taught all the various laws in every state, not to mention all the different counties, cities, etc.?

I have a Florida CCW and they did not even teach the various laws regarding cities and counties within Florida. They essentially teach the state laws which most counties/cities abide by.

So to think that a state course would teach all the asinine gun laws throughout the entire county is absurd.

-v-
March 20, 2012, 04:52 PM
My TN CHP Class taught me the laws of Tennessee, and no other state. After all, why would it? That's like the driver's test teaching you that the driving laws are different in Dubai vs the US.

Also, I find it suspect that "she goes to a med school in Knoxville" as there is none there... :p.

JohnBT
March 20, 2012, 05:03 PM
"Does anyone besides me realize the gravity of that statement? "

I recognize the reality of that statement. Do you disagree with reality?

Bubbles
March 20, 2012, 05:08 PM
Why would someone getting a CCW in Tennessee be taught all the various laws in every state, not to mention all the different counties, cities, etc.?
Go back and re-read. JK2008 said that students should be taught that gun laws vary widely by state/county/city and they need to do their research before travelling. There's no way any 8-hour class could cover each locality's gun laws. Heck, you'd need a week just to cover California. :D

zoom6zoom
March 20, 2012, 05:41 PM
Does TN even have gun registration?
No. But it's a NY paper, and they don't want their indoctrinated readers to even consider that people have Constitutional rights in other states.

TT
March 20, 2012, 06:03 PM
Quote:
Since Miller and Heller the ACLU has changed it's tune on the 2nd.
They now support the individual rights to gun ownership.

Yep. Had a discussion with one of their directors and while there's still some resistance, the organization is moving in a "support ALL of the Bill of Rights" direction.

Funny, when I go to the ACLU's website I find this:
http://www.aclu.org/blog/organization-news-and-highlights/heller-decision-and-second-amendment

Can you point me to their official statement that they now recognize an individual right to arms? TIA.

Derek Zeanah
March 20, 2012, 06:08 PM
Can you point me to their official statement that they now recognize an individual right to arms? TIA.
I said "I talked with a member of the board of directors and was told," not "I'm sure the following language has been put up on a particular web site."

If you're looking for pro-2A wording from the ACLU, check state chapters.

jmr40
March 20, 2012, 06:09 PM
Georgia has no registration and no class is required to get a carry permit. Don't know what TN requires.

TT
March 20, 2012, 10:33 PM
I said "I talked with a member of the board of directors and was told," not "I'm sure the following language has been put up on a particular web site."

If you're looking for pro-2A wording from the ACLU, check state chapters.

Right, so officially the ACLU is still anti-gun.

hso
March 20, 2012, 10:46 PM
...but NYC does have registration and the piece is written for the people in NYC.

Black Duck Charlie
March 21, 2012, 03:13 AM
Anyone who doesn't like that the City of New York does not allow the carrying of firearms not registered in the State of New York need to take it up with the City of New York. And if they really feel that it's not Constitutional, they need to take that up with the State of New York -- since the State obviously allows the City to have that law.

And deliberately breaking the law as a "protest" accomplishes only one thing: It shows the State (and the City) that you are obviously a criminal who does not care about the Law.

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