Video - EAA's 10mm Witness


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duelist1954
March 20, 2012, 10:39 AM
In this video we shoot European American Armory's 10mm stell Witness pistol. EAA's Witness pistols are made by Tanfoglio in Italy. They are derived from the CZ75 design, but are upsized to handle the powerful 10mm cartridge.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=weWUny0rCRo

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dcarch
March 20, 2012, 03:48 PM
How do you deal with the recoil from that 100mm Witness, mount it on a truck? :D

zonzin
March 20, 2012, 05:28 PM
Wow,, must be fun to pull the trigger on a100 mm baby like this!

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/e7/BS-3-batey-haosef-1.jpg/739px-BS-3-batey-haosef-1.jpg

duelist1954
March 20, 2012, 06:52 PM
I've been waiting for these posts... *LOL*

Unfortunately I couldn't find a way to edit the title when I caught the mistake on this site...you can edit the body of a post, but not the title...or so it seems.

But I'm glad I provided some entertainment.

dcarch
March 20, 2012, 07:14 PM
I love the video, by the way. Is there any way you could order one with an Elite slide as stock? That would be a cool option.

browningguy
March 20, 2012, 07:51 PM
They are excellent, my Witness Elite Match is the most accurate handgun I won.

MachIVshooter
March 20, 2012, 08:11 PM
Good review video.

They're great guns. I have both a compact and a limited in 10mm, both are accuracte, reliable and standing up well to my hot (180 @ 1,400) handloads. They're not as sturdy as my S&W 1006, but then, very few other autos compare to the 3rd gen Smiths for robustness/durability.

Bush Pilot
March 20, 2012, 08:19 PM
Wow,, must be fun to pull the trigger on a100 mm baby like this!

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/e7/BS-3-batey-haosef-1.jpg/739px-BS-3-batey-haosef-1.jpg
That must be fun to send in for warranty work

Hammerhead6814
March 20, 2012, 08:28 PM
It's great, until the frame cracks and they ask for $20 shipping and handling. They may also tell you it's your fault it broke because you were shooing "really hot" ammo through it (regardless of whoever made the ammo) and then try to make you pay for the repairs.

Ash
March 20, 2012, 08:36 PM
Slide, not frame, issues were a problem, due to excessive hardening on some of the rounded slides.

Dakotared
March 20, 2012, 10:29 PM
do you know if those issues have been taken care of? I have a bad itch to buy one of these.

MachIVshooter
March 20, 2012, 10:49 PM
do you know if those issues have been taken care of? I have a bad itch to buy one of these.

They went back to the squared slides pretty quickly when problems began surfacing.

Only the standard models were affected; the Elite guns (Match, Limited, Stock, Gold, etc.) never used the round slides.

oldandslow
March 21, 2012, 04:43 AM
One correction please, 3/21/12

Regarding the metal cracking issues- it was both frames and slides in both 10mm and .45 that were a problem, only in the standard version and not the high end models. My two new .45 Wonder finished Witnesses, one a compact and one a full sized, suffered cracks in both frames and slides with standard velocity ammo at low round counts. The compact had cracks on both sides of the frame behind the mag release button. The full sized had cracks at the rear frame rails. The slide cracks were towards the front of the slide by the recoil spring tunnel. EAA had me ship them to their facility at my expense and then shipped them back to me at my expense without repairing or replacing any of the damaged parts. Their excuse for not honoring their "lifetime" warranty- the hard chrome aftermarket finish that was applied "voided their warranty." I've had eleven pistols and rifles hard-chromed and the EAA Witness's were the only ones to fail. Thanks for nothing EAA. Needless to say I have never bought another EAA product.

best wishes- oldandslow

Ash
March 21, 2012, 06:09 AM
The problem is that the Match and Stock Elites use the same frame as the standard Witness. The round-top slides had issues with 45 and 10mm, the squared did not. The Elites did not, either. I won't say you didn't have an issue, and I won't carry any water for EAA, which is a company I frankly don't care for at all. I do like Tanfoglio pistols, and while I have never owned a round-topped version, I have never personally encountered a breakage of any kind.

15 years ago, I got a 45acp compact that was not reliable. I sent it back, they fixed it, and returned it (back when shipping was cheap, $8 there, $12 back) and it never choked again. I have a Springfield P9 in 45, a Tanfoglio P45 in 45 (faintly marked Witness on the opposite side of the frame), and a Jericho with frame-safety.

I have owned 2 compacts, both in 45. I have owned 3 full-sized in 45, two Wonder Finish, one blued that I had hard chromed, 3 full-sized 9mm, all old Mossad models, and a 10mm Wonder with squared slide and widely-spaced serrations. All got shot. None were ill-affected.

EAA has always warned that non-factory work such as hard chroming voided the warranty. Coatings seem not to apply, since my compact was refinished by me with Alumahyde because of rust on the blued frame and slide - it was my woods pistol. Since Wonderfinish (as lame a name as it is) is a really great and durable surface treatment, why did you have that removed for hard chroming?

oldandslow
March 21, 2012, 08:26 AM
Ash, 3/21/12

Glad you have had good luck with your Tanfoglios. I actually really liked both of mine when they were working. The full sized was very accurate and reliable, the compact less so as it was somewhat unreliable initially.

Since I live in the tropics by the ocean there is a real problem with corrosion no matter how hard I try to keep my pistols well oiled. The Wonder finish pistols suffered pitting type corrosion similar to what happens to stainless steel. My blued pistols (Sigs, SW 3rd gens, Springers, Beretta's) all had the usual surface brown rust issues. All were hard- chromed and the corrosion issues disappeared.

I also recognize that all manufacturers will occasionally have a quality control problem and put out a bad pistol. All it takes is good customer service to fix the defective product and I would have no hard feelings. EAA customer service is sorely lacking in its product support which is too bad- I think they would have a lot more pistol buyers if they had some sort of customer service (instead of disservice) support.

best wishes- oldandslow

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