5,56 X 45 endangered ?


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scaatylobo
March 21, 2012, 02:11 PM
Just read a few posts that stated that the govt is buying up ALL mil-spec 5.56 X 45 ammo.

AND telling distributors to stop selling to general public or any that sell to commercial distributors,selling to public.

I do not know of a way to find out,but someone here might.

If this is hyperbole,please advise us all.

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Jorg Nysgerrig
March 21, 2012, 02:13 PM
Can you provide a cite that isn't an anonymous source on some fringe conspiracy site or a repost of same on another forum?

This rumor doesn't even make a bit of sense. Why is there even a question as to it being completely fake?

InfamousLegend
March 21, 2012, 02:18 PM
Considering the military is downsizing the need for the military to purchase more ammo than usual does not make sense. More than likely a conspiracy theory.

zxcvbob
March 21, 2012, 02:20 PM
Maybe that's why green-tip M855 ammo (the ones spec'ed to penetrate both sides of a blue helmet at 600 yards) is showing up for sale everywhere -- for less than 35 per round. :rolleyes:

Fishslayer
March 21, 2012, 02:22 PM
Prices on everything is up and supply is getting spotty. That includes reloading supplies and the guns themselves.

Most anticipate this will continue through the election.

The steel free Yugo 7.62x39 milsurp especially has gone up quickly and most of my regular sources are out of it. That's just because there was a finite supply to begin with, it's cheap and indoor range friendly.

Save that SPP .45ACP brass. You can use it with SRP if you need to. ;)

The-Reaver
March 21, 2012, 02:23 PM
http://beforeitsnews.com/story/1914/592/FYI:_Government_Buying_Out_All_The_5.56_Military_Surplus_Ammo_Is_Telling_Ammo_Dealers_To_Stop_Selling_To_Their_Vendors_Civilians..html

dprice3844444
March 21, 2012, 02:24 PM
1 election year
2 they have been using up their stores in iraq afghan etc,and recycling what's in storage to keep it fresh.

Fishslayer
March 21, 2012, 02:35 PM
1 election year
2 they have been using up their stores in iraq afghan etc,and recycling what's in storage to keep it fresh.

Also gun sales are way up, including first time owners. They need ammo, too. ;)

Jorg Nysgerrig
March 21, 2012, 02:42 PM
http://beforeitsnews.com/story/1914/...ivilians..html

Seriously? What part of "Can you provide a cite that isn't an anonymous source on some fringe conspiracy site" eluded you? For hell's sake, that same site has the headlines "Researcher Finds Proof Of Area 51 Flying Saucers" and "Claim: Aliens Hiding Major Bases Near Volcanoes". :banghead:

The-Reaver
March 21, 2012, 02:49 PM
My NCO's always said " A decision is better than no decision "


Guess I kind of figured it was the same with links.

Jorg Nysgerrig
March 21, 2012, 02:50 PM
I'm afraid I see that more as you saying, "Misinformation is better than no information." I tend to disagree.

The-Reaver
March 21, 2012, 02:55 PM
Having a piece of the pie, even the crust... is better than starving.

Swing
March 21, 2012, 02:57 PM
Was the source wearing a tinfoil hat when he provided this "news"? ;)

Jorg Nysgerrig
March 21, 2012, 03:00 PM
Having a piece of the pie, even the crust... is better than starving.
Except you're trying to feed us a cow pie. Please stop.

sigpro
March 21, 2012, 03:03 PM
The Gov't should be buying up all the ammo. They are going to need to clear those aliens out of that Volcano. Just so we are clear, are we talking about Mars Aliens or South of the Border Aliens? Either way, it's gonna get dicey!I ,mean if they live in a Volcano they are probably pretty tough.

Cosmoline
March 21, 2012, 03:03 PM
For what it's worth we often feel these pinches harder than most because of our bad supply line, and there's no sign of a 5.56 shortage here yet. Lord knows there was a few years ago, along with a very serious shortage of primers and powder. But I just saw a big stack of new 5.56 boxes at the ammo store last week.

Iraq is wrapped up and Afghanistan winding down. Budget cuts are hitting personnel hard. The military has no shortage or supply needs at this point which would necessitate the claimed run on supplies. Furthermore they don't just "buy up" the commercial market supplies. If there are shortages, like last time, the problem is the military's orders take up more production line time at the ammo makers so other things don't get produced.

scaatylobo
March 21, 2012, 03:57 PM
Jeez dont jump down my shorts ---- please.

I read the posted one from The Reaver also.

And also saw another post from a different source,on a forum dedicated to survival.

2 posts make a news story that I want vetted.

Especially since the TV news dont tell me squat as to a real story.

Take The guns to mexico for example "Fast & Furious".

Has not been on the "news" for months and wont till AFTER the election.

Pardon me for not trusting the "mainstream" to get me the skinny about anything that I might want to know.

crazyjennyblack
March 21, 2012, 04:10 PM
I wouldn't be surprised if the government tries to buy it all up, whether its a conspiracy to keep us away from it or not. Government is weird, especially when you're not involved in it. Expecting a government to make sense is like expecting the weather forecast to be right. Don't count on it. Also, just because something weird happens doesn't always mean its malicious. Sometimes it can just be a lack of communication between departments, or simply plain old stupidity.

As for what I DO see happening, I see plenty of 5.56x45 and civilian .223 available. Stores where I am are full of it, and you can get 1,000 rd lots of brass case green tip penetrator ammo on MidwayUSA for under $400. If anything that "penetrator" ammo is more available than ever. If the government is buying extra, factories will increase production to meet that need. There might be a short-term shortage, but why would companies pass up the chance to keep making profits on a lucrative civilian market? Where there is a dollar to be made, there will be somebody there to make that dollar.

However, the prices are rising. The lies I do know the government tells are the inflation numbers....

Jorg Nysgerrig
March 21, 2012, 04:16 PM
I read the posted one from The Reaver also.
So your first reliable source was the site talking about alien bases in volcanos?

And also saw another post from a different source,on a forum dedicated to survival.
And another random forum had a post from what I suspect was an equally reliable source. Of course, since it showed up here (twice, actually), now we have a third place.

Take The guns to mexico for example "Fast & Furious".

Has not been on the "news" for months and wont till AFTER the election.
Right, there is a total media blackout, unless you count these mainstream articles from the last week:
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-31727_162-57400267-10391695/prime-gunwalking-suspect-was-held-by-atf-but-released-documents-show/
http://www.washingtontimes.com/blog/watercooler/2012/mar/20/picket-issa-and-grassley-demand-answers-holder-rec/
http://nation.foxnews.com/fast-and-furious/2012/03/16/lawmakers-question-integrity-fast-and-furious-probe
http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/03/16/tagblogsfindlawcom2012-lawandlife-idUS29161848020120316
http://articles.cnn.com/2012-03-16/us/us_congress-fast-and-furious_1_operation-fast-and-furious-arizona-gun-dealers-gun-operation?_s=PM:US

Pardon me for not trusting the "mainstream" to get me the skinny about anything that I might want to know.
No offense, but one would hope there is some kind of middle ground between the mainstream media and alien conspiracy sites to find information. Claiming that this might be true because you don't feel the MSM provides enough coverage for an unrelated event is little more than a red herring.

It's good you asked, but as you can see, we have people who just post the link to the original site as verification. You heard it from a couple of places, you ask if it is true, someone provides proof from the same source. Now we will have people who see it here and go off to post it on another site, and another, and another, and it ends up like that stupid wheel marking warning from a few weeks ago.

zxcvbob
March 21, 2012, 04:27 PM
wheel marking warning from a few weeks ago

Somebody is marking our wheels again!? :what:

Swing
March 21, 2012, 04:30 PM
I just spent some time on that site (Before its News). Wow, what veritable fountain of flapdoodle.

allaroundhunter
March 21, 2012, 04:35 PM
http://beforeitsnews.com/story/1914/...ivilians..html

The author seems hardly educated, he does not know the difference between "steal" and "steel", nor "they're" and "their" (just a few of several examples).


I really do have a hard time taking people that do not understand basic grammar and sentence structure seriously. And he is anonymous :rolleyes:

The author says $440 for 420 rounds of Federal surplus?.....How about this (http://www.ammunitiontogo.com/product_info.php/pName/420rds-556-federal-lake-city-xm855lc-ac1-62gr-penetrator-ammo-on-strippers/cName/223-556-penetrator-ammo)? $160 for 420 rounds....

Buck Kramer
March 21, 2012, 06:48 PM
Judging by how that article was written I'd say some shmuck knows how to use headers. "I've called a lot of distributors," are we supposed to buy that?

hso
March 21, 2012, 06:49 PM
hyperbole

More like utter BS.

alsaqr
March 21, 2012, 07:38 PM
i go with the "more like utter BS".

HOOfan_1
March 21, 2012, 08:41 PM
Yellow Journalism 21st Century style

browningguy
March 21, 2012, 10:29 PM
Everyplace I look has plenty of 5.56 in stock.

zxcvbob
March 21, 2012, 11:08 PM
OTOH, I think the AK-74 is intriguing, but there's no US maker of 5.45 ammo and the Whitehouse or State Dept could wipe out the import supply with the stroke of a pen. And the stuff available now is not reloadable, so just saving my brass wouldn't really help. So I'll hold off until Winchester or Remington starts selling reloadable ammo, and/or Starline starts selling the brass and somebody makes the bullets.

HOOfan_1
March 21, 2012, 11:16 PM
OTOH, I think the AK-74 is intriguing, but there's no US maker of 5.45 ammo .

Hornady claims to be loading theirs in the US

zxcvbob
March 21, 2012, 11:17 PM
I'll have to check it out. Thanks.

Sam Cade
March 21, 2012, 11:17 PM
Hornady claims to be loading theirs in the US...with primed Russian steel cases.

FIVETWOSEVEN
March 21, 2012, 11:18 PM
With threads like these, there's no wonder why people horde ammo and buy everything in stock. I'm trying to find an AK 74 but I literally can't find one ANYWHERE in stock.

Sam Cade
March 21, 2012, 11:25 PM
AK 74 but I literally can't find one ANYWHERE in stock.

Have you checked AtlanticFirearms?

FIVETWOSEVEN
March 22, 2012, 12:21 AM
They were the first ones, not an AK 74 of any brand (besides the more expensive Arsenals) in sight.

Sam Cade
March 22, 2012, 12:27 AM
They were the first ones, not an AK 74 of any brand (besides the more expensive Arsenals) in sight.

What the heck?
They need to update their website.

...ok, I just did some checking. You are right. Dear pickings are slim.


Plenty on gunbroker though.

Davek1977
March 22, 2012, 03:13 AM
An anonymous source is as reliable as NO source in a case like this. If its true, it should be verifiable. It has yet to be even remotely verified. Cow pie indeed.....now stop spreading rumors unless you can verify there's a bit of truth behind them.

willypete
March 22, 2012, 03:21 PM
Sooooooo shouldn't this thread be either locked or deleted, since it's just acting as part of the problem now?

Jorg Nysgerrig
March 22, 2012, 05:29 PM
Sooooooo shouldn't this thread be either locked or deleted, since it's just acting as part of the problem now?
Wouldn't deleting the thread be worse? I've actually left it open allowing people to chime in with their opinions. As you can see, the majority aren't buying the story. Hopefully those who search for this or see the thread will be able to make an informed decision.

So no, I don't think this thread is part of the problem. I think (and desperately hope) that this thread will help people think a bit more critically about these claims.

EddieNFL
March 22, 2012, 07:14 PM
The author seems hardly educated, he does not know the difference between "steal" and "steel", nor "they're" and "their" (just a few of several examples).

I think he's a member here.

allaroundhunter
March 22, 2012, 07:16 PM
I think he's a member here.

How do you know that? The article says the author is anonymous

T Slothrop
March 22, 2012, 08:15 PM
I bought 400 rounds of Lake City M193 from Sportsman's Guide for $139.00 just yesterday. Now admittedly the Lake City M855 was backordered to next week, but I see that kind of thing all the time.

Hypnogator
March 22, 2012, 08:48 PM
CTD has M855 for $319/1000. Before Christmas it was $359. Don't think there's a shortage yet!

firesky101
March 22, 2012, 09:47 PM
Considering the demand from operators for the newer MK 262, it seems unlikely that the government is spending money to buy mil-spec rejects of M855 and M193. But you know tin foil up y'all.

jim147
March 22, 2012, 10:55 PM
Strange that I've gotten two email fliers with m855 on them in the last two days.

I have plenty but click on them just to see if it was in stock.

Yep, it was. I guess the .gov hasn't bought out those two large distributors. :rolleyes:

jim

willypete
March 23, 2012, 01:30 AM
Wouldn't deleting the thread be worse? I've actually left it open allowing people to chime in with their opinions. As you can see, the majority aren't buying the story. Hopefully those who search for this or see the thread will be able to make an informed decision.

So no, I don't think this thread is part of the problem. I think (and desperately hope) that this thread will help people think a bit more critically about these claims.

I see where you're coming from. I'm thinking from the standpoint of someone who'll say, "oh, there was a thread about this on THR, it must be true!" without actually reading the thread critically. Kinda like the OP did regarding the original article.

I agree with you that having people actively disagree with and apply logic to this sort of thing is good. I share your hope that it will foster critical thinking skills rather than rampant paranoia. ;)

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