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Mike-Acer
March 21, 2012, 09:56 PM
I have two Jimmy Little knifes. I foolishly broke a piece out of one of these beautiful blades....Can anyone suggest what can be done to repair or replace the blade...Mike
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Valkman
March 21, 2012, 11:22 PM
PM sent. I don't know if that's fixable but I gave you some ideas about what could be done.

rcmodel
March 21, 2012, 11:25 PM
A good knife man could grind a finger choil out without over-heating it where the chip broke out, polish it, and make it look almost like it was supposed to be there.
http://www.agrussell.com/randall-model-11-alaskan-skinner-with-stag-handles/p/RA-M11S34/

Other then that?

Live with it, and don't abuse high dollar knives.

PS: I see a good knife man is now asking you to contact him!
Do so!!

rc

R H Clark
March 22, 2012, 01:29 AM
What did you do to break it? It should not have chipped out like that without some real abuse.

kim breed
March 22, 2012, 09:16 AM
You can always send it back to the maker and beg for his forgiveness

Mike-Acer
March 22, 2012, 01:58 PM
Thanks all...Kim: I would love to send it back but Jimmy passed on...His brother may still be in the area and taken over the knife making. I really don't know. I've had this knife for a very long time.

RC: I have been contact with valkman and then in turn Tom Krein whom he recommended. I feel bad enough about the knife with out having salt rubbed into the wound...

hso
March 22, 2012, 07:37 PM
The damage is too extensive to repair.

If his brother is making knives you may be able to ask him to mount another blade for you.

ApacheCoTodd
March 22, 2012, 08:56 PM
I'd get passed the notion of repairing and do a couple of sketches of a modified version taking into account the current damage.
A finger choil (as noted) or serrated portion are a couple of options which still stay on the side of some practicality.

So, you gonna tell us how this happened to help us avoid the same?

Mike-Acer
March 23, 2012, 01:53 AM
Alright I'll fess up....I was trying to cut/cleave off a green 1" Dia. juniper limb. It was slightly over head making the job somewhat difficult...The reason I wanted it is that it was loaded with berries and would be used in Christmas backs/wreaths...The blade is 440 stainless and is pretty hard. As the photo will show the blade is a very narrow hollow grind....I was used to Bucks etc. that are indestructible...Well that's not quit true...I broke the blade on a sheath type buck playing Daniel Boone throwing at a post....Here's the photo...Mike

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ArfinGreebly
March 23, 2012, 02:19 AM
Would I be correct in guessing that there was a sideways force vector applied to the blade?

It looks as though the blade got stuck in a green branch and was then twisted or pulled sideways to remove it.

I've seen this kind of break before.

I'll spare you the story, but you're not the only one to realize you've broken a quality knife you can't replace.

Mike-Acer
March 23, 2012, 02:44 AM
Well you know this happened in a split second. There very well could have been a twist..Mike

Valkman
March 23, 2012, 03:40 AM
As the photo will show the blade is a very narrow hollow grind

I know from experience that when hollow grinding it's very easy to go too thin and get a bubble in the middle of the knife. But I've never seen a knife damaged like that before. I'll be interested in what Tom says.

kim breed
March 23, 2012, 09:10 AM
Sorry that the knife member passed on. No disrespect intended on either side. Usually a maker has a certain way of making knives and cannot be copied. if there is another knife maker that worked close to him, He might come close to matching his work.

ApacheCoTodd
March 23, 2012, 07:12 PM
Oh fer cryin' out loud! If you're gonna tell a tale of broken knives and berry picking, at least lie to us and say it was broken off on the rib of a grizzly fighting you for berries in the fall when the only thing between the bear and your family was a steely-eyed you wielding a Jimmy Little stab-stick... or something like that.;)

Gordon
March 23, 2012, 08:57 PM
I'd saw Jimmy wuz human on that damage ! #1 Stainless steel pretty much sucks to start with for a real knife . #2 Hollow grinds pretty much suck on real knives anyway for the above reason. #3 the usage as you described wuz well within "normal" use IMHO.

RC had a great idea for the Choil , it would make it a wonderful caper, that is if you like stainless ! Actually I have a couple stainless knives that are special purpose,including the Valkman fighter under my bed, and they are water maintainable.

kamagong
March 24, 2012, 12:23 AM
#1 Stainless steel pretty much sucks to start with for a real knife . #2 Hollow grinds pretty much suck on real knives anyway for the above reason. #3 the usage as you described wuz well within "normal" use IMHO.

Foolishness. The blade broke because he abused the knife, simple as that. Stainless blades and hollow grinds have their place, although like you I prefer carbon steel and different grinds. The OP should never have used a stainless, hollow grind knife as a chopper. However, this same combination of grind and steel would be perfectly suitable for a pocketknife.

Gordon
March 24, 2012, 12:35 AM
"I was trying to cut/cleave off a green 1" Dia. juniper limb."
That is a fixed blade knife custom made by a legendary maker! I do not consider such a blade as only suitable for shaving my legs, cutting paper or speghetti ! I can take a similar sized Mad dog Rat and hammer it thru any 1" tree limb, make that 2" tree limb and wedge out chips all day long!

Mike-Acer
March 24, 2012, 02:48 AM
Ignorance is no excuse for breaking the law...We have all heard that. I had no clue...How was I to know that the knife would not do what so many other knifes had done over the years...Bottom line it couldn't...Yes I abused the blade considering how fragile it truly was...Stainless or carbon the blade was a skinner and light duty beautiful blade because of how thin it was...I/ we should give Jimmy credit where its due...he did a fantastic job of making a blade very much like a strait razor...I'm attaching a couple of photos of a knife I had Jimmy make for me...I wanted a large bladed knife and this was the result...The blade is 8"....The balance is perfect...having viewed the photos I think I'll try one more..Mike

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Mike-Acer
March 24, 2012, 03:25 AM
Here are a couple of more....161565

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Valkman
March 24, 2012, 03:44 AM
Nice.

Gordon
March 24, 2012, 12:23 PM
There is your choil !

Mike-Acer
March 25, 2012, 01:41 AM
Yes I suppose it is there all right...But really, if it were cleaned up the blade is so thin there it would cut you with out gloves...Mike

SlamFire1
March 25, 2012, 03:28 PM
Sorry to see the damage to your knife.

Wish I had a solution, but I don't.

I think your story is a good lessons learned for others.

hso
March 26, 2012, 12:10 AM
I can take a similar sized Mad dog Rat and hammer it thru any 1" tree limb, make that 2" tree limb and wedge out chips all day long!

Different knives, different designs, different materials, different dimensions, different uses. It is ABSURD to contend that any custom knife any of us own should perform like a Mad Dog (not many knives perform like Kevin's anyway). By the same token, it is equally unrealistic to expect to use a knife like Mr. Little's the same way you'd use a Mad Dog or BKT or ... I have 440C knives made by the original sharpened pry bar maker and I've done abusive things with them without any damage to the Montroc Ronin. Ray says that he'll give any knife he currently makes to me if I ever damage the thing. Not much chance of collecting on that. The point being that you don't get exactly the same performance out of any grind, material, geometry, thickness, heat treat just because a custom maker produced a knife. A custom hunter isn't a camp knife/sharpened pry bar. If it had broken like that being used for what it was intended, taking a critter apart, I'd say it was a bad heat treat and a failure on the part of the maker, but you don't use high hollow grind razor blade sharp hunting knives like a camp knife.

Gordon
March 26, 2012, 12:50 AM
Well I don't have that much to contend with your statement. My point being hollow grinds tend to fail much sooner in any real world use and I think that stainless steel is not something I would spend money on, anymore.
From the looks of that JL knife it was not a specialized design for game like this one is
http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i203/gordonhulme/008-4.jpg
which once again is not gonna break on any living thing . It replaced my Wyoming skinner which did use surgical stainless replacable blades which would break on bone if you were not careful and was really not a knife, as the broken JL certainly was.
Tragic on the pretty JL broken blade and I agree if the user realized it's extremely thin grind then not the makers fault, I guess. It's just that JL is a super legend and I had higher expectations on at least the grinding technique. I too have stainless dive knives which have been very satisfactory for their purpose as was the replaceable blade Wyoming skinner for 35 years, but their purpose was clearly delineated by the maker and I don't see signs of that on that broken JL knife. So sad!

edited to show the Wyoming Skinner on the bottom, a knife for game processing I exspect a broken blade on and would be improper for a 1" limb. The ones above it including the first one up which is a similar sized utility knife (Rat) to the one that broke.
http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i203/gordonhulme/001-6.jpg

Mike-Acer
March 26, 2012, 10:26 PM
Jimmy's knives were, I think, as much works of art as they were knives. I was at his humble shop several times as he made the 8" incher for me. I bought the knife with the broken blade from my brother because he was going to cut the handle off. Seems it was sticking him in the side. There is no question that if I had told Jimmy I was going to be cutting off juniper limbs he would have said don't even~!!!...The big knife he made for me is much heaver (see posted photos) but looking at it now I realize I can't treat it as a machete...Mike

hso
March 27, 2012, 10:26 AM
Mike,

Just remember that all knives can't be Camp Knives or Bushcraft knives and may be more specialized in their roles. If you're looking for a knife that you can hack or baton then there are plenty out there with more humble finishes than Mr. Little's.

Gordon
March 28, 2012, 11:04 AM
I found this picture of an old Henkels twin work stainless skinner I used a couple years when I used to go North for my big game hunting 30 years ago. Notice the choil on this superb game processing knife. Surely the blade gets thick enough by then?
http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i203/gordonhulme/P1010633.jpg

hso
March 28, 2012, 11:24 AM
Compare the two and look at where the plunge for the grind starts on the two. The edge of the proposed choil will be sharp on the broken knife while it has much more thickness where it was purposely put in on the Henkels. I wouldn't consider the repaired knife safe to use, but it would at least help the appearance.
http://www.thehighroad.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=161445&d=1332377730
http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i203/gordonhulme/P1010633.jpg

Gordon
March 28, 2012, 01:40 PM
Well then just narrow the blade belly down to where it is useable. BTW; cut of the pointy handle , it will stick you in the ribs :)

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