[mnhntr]

I am working on developing a load for a friends rifle and my new Encore pistol with some 40gr Vmax. The data from Hodgdon and LEE say Min OAL is 2.280 for both powders I am trying out (Benchmark & Varget).

The factory Hornady 40gr Vmax is a lot shorter than 2.280. The data from Hodgdon for all the 40gr loads is 2.280 Min OAL and Lee states differing OAL for each powder.

[matrem]

I'm not following the minimum OAL situation you're talking about.
Maybe I'm misunderstanding what you're saying?

[rcmodel]

I don't know where you got that 2.280" information???
Except that IS the MAX OAL for the .222 Rem Magnum, not the .223 Rem.

The SAAMI MAX OAL for the .223 with any bullet is 2.260" in any book you look at.

40 grain bullets seat way shorter then that.

Lyman says the 40 V-Max seated 2.215" in their testing.
Hornady #6 reloading manual says 2.200".

rc

[NCsmitty]

I don't know where you got that 2.280" information???

Actually, www.hodgdon.com does have that dimension listed for the 40gr Nosler BT, and that is wrong, as you mentioned.

mnhntr, try to stick with around 2.200" as rcmodel mentioned. Try to keep a caliber width in the case neck.


NCsmitty

[mnhntr]

In the Lee book I have is the "Modern Reloading 2nd Edition" and it specifies 2.280 Min OAL. Also the Hodgdon website is saying 2.280.

[mnhntr]

NCsmitty, thanks that is what I found. I did load them at 2.280 but I will re-seat them when I get home.

[rcmodel]

Yep! I just looked at the Lee book you have and it does say that about the 40 grain jacketed bullet of unknown make & model in a bunch of loads.

But it is wrong too.
Except for the chamber drawing at the top of page 222 which says 2.260".

SAAMI Max OAL for the .223 is and always has been 2.260".

That is the longest cartridge that will fit in an M16 magazine, as well as more other .223 magazines & chambers.

rc

[mnhntr]

Thanks rcmodel. I am loading these for two firearms, a TC encore pistol and a Savage rifle.

[mnhntr]

I think the Lee book is wrong because of the fact they took the info from the Hodgdon site.

[rcmodel]

Zactly.

Everything in the Lee manual is copied directly from the powder & bullet manufactures published data.

Lee has no testing lab.

rc

[mnhntr]

I believe the 40gr Vmax factory loads are 2.260

[1hobie]

The OP isn't loading for an AR.
The OAL of 2.260 is for the magazine compatibility. With a T/C you need to find out the free bore to the rifling to ascertain the absolute length of the round with what ever bullet you're going to use. With any bullet, it would be recommended that you seat the bullet no less than .224 into the neck. The longer the projectile, the deeper you might need to seat but still the minimum is basically no less than the diameter of the bullet.
The info is good to go.
Hobie
BTW, google precision .223 loads. lots of info.

[rcmodel]

The thing is though, he ask about loading 40 grain boat-tail bullets.

At some point not too far past 2.260", they are going to fall out of his cases and spill all the powder in his pocket!

rc

[1hobie]

"With any bullet, it would be recommended that you seat the bullet no less than .224 into the neck. The longer the projectile, the deeper you might need to seat but still the minimum is basically no less than the diameter of the bullet."(in my post above)

This applies to any bullet in any caliber. I know that if he loaded to 2.260 the bullet would indeed probably fall out.

I removed my statement from here as I said that's why there are load books. Hodgden is wrong.
Hobie

[mnhntr]

Actually they are loaded to 2.280 right now and the bullet is in enough to stay without being accidently pulled or falling out. I asked the question because of the difference in pressure and that was my concern.

[NCsmitty]

I asked the question because of the difference in pressure and that was my concern.

Bottle neck rifle rounds are affected much less by bullet depth than straight case pistol rounds, and that's generally a product of the burn rates of the powders used. Sometimes a few thousandths of bullet depth in a pistol round, can make a big difference on pressures and accuracy and even safety, but with bottle neck rifle rounds, not so much. It is usually not an issue unless you're leaning on the lands too much with a long, heavy .224 bullet.


NCsmitty

[parisite]

I saw this info this past month and tried loading some 40gr Sierra hp to 2.280 for my Contender and felt very uncomfortable doing so. I was truly afraid of the bullet coming out. I seated them back to 2.220.

May I also suggest a bit faster powder for a short barrel and a 40gr bullet?
IMR-4198 is the ticket from my experience. Superb accuracy with much less boom and muzzle flash.

[10 Spot Terminator]

A very useful tool when loading for single shot firearms where OAL "can be" adapted in some cases exceeding factory recommended OAL specs is a taper crimp die such as the one I use from Redding. I began using this die loading for a Handi Rifle for the same reasons stated above where 45 gr. bullets were seating a mere .200 into the case necks with a .015 setback off of the lands. I tested the rounds with and without using the taper crimp and the results were impressive indeed. By creating a more uniform starting pressures the groups tightened up nicely and flyers were a thing of the past. Another note on single shot loading that for me has provided an edge is neck sizing only of the cases. These cases must be kept seperated and dedicated for the specific firearm they are to be used in.

Keep the lead flying,

10 Spot

[mnhntr]

I set them back to 2.260 and we will see how they run. Thanks for the tip on the 4198

[Redneck with a 40]

I run 2.20" in my Mini-14, longest I can go and still feed in the magazine. This is with 55 grain bullets.

[280shooter]

I too seen in some reloading data website.. One was Nosler, that has the 40 gr, to col at 2.280,, but I looked again now. it has them to 2.260 for the 40 gr,it seems the manuels have dif, col for dif. company bullets...
I had printed pages of data for 40 gr to 60 gr,, and it seems that they all have dif, col...

[rcmodel]

I run 2.20" in my Mini-14, longest I can go and still feed in the magazine. That would be strange indeed.

No NATO Mil-Spec M885 or SS109 ammo loaded an average of 2.247" would fit in a Mini-14 magazine if that were the case.

It seems to all fit in mine, up to the SAAMI standard Max length of 2.260".

rc

[280shooter]

So I guess these are all wrong... I will try seating my 223 bullets to .224 like RC said.. But this is what drives me crazy,, you read col. and this is from the powder or bullets company,, and Its wrong?
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35 GR. NOS BT LF Hodgdon Varget .224" 2.280" 25.2 3424 38,500 PSI 28.0C 3751 49,300 PSI
35 GR. NOS BT LF IMR IMR 4320 .224" 2.280" 25.5 3313 39,500 PSI 28.0C 3620 49,800 PSI
35 GR. NOS BT LF Hodgdon BL-C(2) .224" 2.280" 26.6 3430 39,900 PSI 29.5 3740 50,100 PSI
35 GR. NOS BT LF IMR IMR 4895 .224" 2.280" 24.3 3263 36,400 PSI 27.0C 3620 47,700 PSI
35 GR. NOS BT LF Hodgdon H335 .224" 2.280" 25.7 3647 44,600 PSI 27.9 3885 53,200 PSI
35 GR. NOS BT LF Hodgdon H4895 .224" 2.280" 24.3 3522 39,600 PSI 27.0C 3891 53,000 PSI
35 GR. NOS BT LF IMR IMR 8208 XBR .224" 2.280" 25.2 3560 41,100 PSI 28.0C 3891 53,400 PSI
35 GR. NOS BT LF IMR IMR 3031 .224" 2.280" 23.4 3423 40,000 PSI 26.0C 3771 51,600 PSI
35 GR. NOS BT LF Hodgdon Benchmark .224" 2.280" 24.5 3555 42,700 PSI 27.2C 3851 52,900 PSI
35 GR. NOS BT LF Hodgdon H322 .224" 2.280" 24.3 3610 43,800 PSI 25.8 3771 50,600 PSI
35 GR. NOS BT LF IMR IMR 4198 .224" 2.280" 20.4 3651 47,600 PSI 21.7 3804 52,100 PSI
35 GR. NOS BT LF Hodgdon H4198 .224" 2.280" 20.4 3599 45,100 PSI 21.7 3780 52,000 PSI
36 GR. BAR VG FB Hodgdon Varget .224" 2.200" 24.8 3278 37,000 PSI 27.5C 3593 47,300 PSI
36 GR. BAR VG FB IMR IMR 4320 .224" 2.200" 25.2 3289 39,700 PSI 28.0C 3653 52,200 PSI
36 GR. BAR VG FB Hodgdon BL-C(2) .224" 2.200" 26.8 3345 40,400 PSI 28.5 3500 46,000 PSI
36 GR. BAR VG FB IMR IMR 4895 .224" 2.200" 24.8 3289 39,700 PSI 27.0C 3606 50,100 PSI
36 GR. BAR VG FB Hodgdon H335 .224" 2.200" 26.0 3647 48,300 PSI 27.7 3790 53,200 PSI
36 GR. BAR VG FB Hodgdon H4895 .224" 2.200" 25.5 3487 36,500 PSI 27.3C 3755 49,200 PSI
36 GR. BAR VG FB IMR IMR 8208 XBR .224" 2.200" 25.4 3548 44,500 PSI 27.0C 3728 50,600 PSI
36 GR. BAR VG FB IMR IMR 3031 .224" 2.200" 23.3 3398 41,600 PSI 24.8C 3600 48,200 PSI
36 GR. BAR VG FB Hodgdon Benchmark .224" 2.200" 24.4 3508 44,100 PSI 26.0 3702 50,800 PSI
36 GR. BAR VG FB Hodgdon H322 .224" 2.200" 24.2 3523 44,300 PSI 25.7 3721 52,700 PSI
36 GR. BAR VG FB IMR IMR 4198 .224" 2.200" 21.2 3579 43,500 PSI 22.5 3834 52,500 PSI
36 GR. BAR VG FB Hodgdon H4198 .224" 2.200" 21.1 3511 36,800 PSI 22.5 3723 51,800 PSI
40 GR. NOS BT Hodgdon CFE 223 .224" 2.280" 27.5 3457 40,600 PSI 29.0 3667 48,200 PSI
40 GR. NOS BT Hodgdon Varget .224" 2.280" 25.0 3310 34,400 CUP 28.0C 3674 47,200 CUP
40 GR. NOS BT IMR IMR 4320 .224" 2.280" 26.0 3267 43,500 PSI 27.7C 3456 48,900 PSI
40 GR. NOS BT Hodgdon BL-C(2) .224" 2.280" 26.5 3368 35,400 CUP 28.5 3612 45,400 CUP
40 GR. NOS BT IMR IMR 4895 .224" 2.280" 24.9 3164 35,200 PSI 26.5C 3390 44,200 PSI
40 GR. NOS BT Hodgdon H335 .224" 2.280" 26.0 3299 34,400 CUP 28.0 3572 44,600 CUP
40 GR. NOS BT Hodgdon H4895 .224" 2.280" 25.0 3204 32,100 CUP 27.5C 3573 44,500 CUP
40 GR. NOS BT IMR IMR 8208 XBR .224" 2.280" 25.0 3433 41,500 PSI 26.7C 3659 50,400 PSI
40 GR. NOS BT IMR IMR 3031 .224" 2.280" 23.5 3291 42,600 PSI 25.2C 3498 46,200 PSI
40 GR. NOS BT Hodgdon Benchmark .224" 2.280" 25.3 3404 39,600 CUP 27.3 3666 51,000 CUP
40 GR. NOS BT Hodgdon H322 .224" 2.280" 23.5 3376 34,600 CUP 25.5 3574 48,000 CUP
40 GR. NOS BT IMR IMR 4198 .224" 2.280" 19.5 3269 42,500 PSI 22.2 3652 53,400 PSI
40 GR. NOS BT Hodgdon H4198 .224" 2.280" 20.5 3147 29,400 CUP 22.5 3601 49,600 CUP
45 GR. SFIRE Hodgdon H335 .224" 2.220" 23.0 3172 42,000 PSI 25.3 3428 50,700 PSI
45 GR. SFIRE IMR IMR 8208 XBR .224" 2.220" 23.0 3124 38,800 PSI 26.0C 3491 52,100 PSI
45 GR. SFIRE IMR IMR 3031 .224" 2.220" 21.0 2981 37,000 PSI 24.0C 3400 52,300 PSI
45 GR. SFIRE Hodgdon Benchmark .224" 2.220" 22.5 3130 39,600 PSI 25.0 3410 51,000 PSI
3550 52,000 PSI
3223 45,900 CUP
53 GR. SIE HP Hodgdon CFE 223 .224" 2.200" 27.0 3245 45,900 PSI 28.5 3415 52,900 PSI
53 GR. SIE HP Hodgdon Varget .224" 2.200" 24.0 3026 38,400 CUP 27.0C 3389 47,900 CUP
53 GR. SIE HP IMR IMR 4320 .224" 2.200" 24.0 2929 40,400 PSI 27.5C 3273 52,300 PSI
53 GR. SIE HP IMR IMR 4064 .224" 2.200" 24.0 2964 41,600 PSI 25.7C 3178 45,600 PSI
53 GR. SIE HP Winchester 748 .224" 2.200" 26.0 3200 43,500 CUP
53 GR. SIE HP Hodgdon BL-C(2) .224" 2.200" 26.0 3090 36,600 CUP 28.0 3328 47,600 CUP
53 GR. SIE HP IMR IMR 4895 .224" 2.200" 24.5 3012 43,900 PSI 26.4C 3238 52,300 PSI
53 GR. SIE HP Hodgdon H335 .224" 2.200" 24.0 3060 44,100 CUP 26.0 3300 52,000 CUP
53 GR. SIE HP Hodgdon H4895 .224" 2.200" 25.0 3166 37,400 CUP 27.0C 3383 48,600 CUP
53 GR. SIE HP IMR IMR 8208 XBR .224" 2.200" 23.0 3032 41,400 PSI 25.4 3310 53,400 PSI
53 GR. SIE HP IMR IMR 3031 .224" 2.200" 22.0 2959 40,700 PSI 24.5C 3260 53,300 PSI
53 GR. SIE HP Hodgdon Benchmark .224" 2.200" 24.0 3102 39,900 CUP 26.0 3308 49,800 CUP
53 GR. SIE HP Hodgdon H322 .224" 2.200" 21.5 2912 39,200 CUP 23.5 3183 48,900 CUP
53 GR. SIE HP IMR IMR 4198 .224" 2.200" 19.0 2972 43,800 PSI 21.4 3268 48,200 PSI
53 GR. SIE HP Hodgdon H4198 .224" 2.200" 19.5 2986 34,200 CUP 21.5 3188 46,700 CUP
55 GR. HDY FMJ IMR Trail Boss .224" 2.200" 4.0 1074
55 GR. HDY FMJ Hodgdon Titegroup .224" 2.200" 3.1 1064 4,000 CUP
55 GR. HDY FMJ Hodgdon Clays .224" 2.200" 3.2 1060 3,700 CUP
55 GR. SFIRE Hodgdon Varget .224" 2.220" 23.5 2990 45,200 PSI 25.1C 3149 51,700 PSI
55 GR. SFIRE IMR IMR 4320 .224" 2.220" 23.0 2796 39,300 PSI 25.5 3100 51,100 PSI
55 GR. SFIRE IMR IMR 4064 .224" 2.220" 21.0 2711 37,100 PSI 23.0C 2945 44,800 PSI
55 GR. SFIRE Hodgdon BL-C(2) .224" 2.220" 24.0 2937 40,800 PSI 27.0 3220 51,500 PSI
55 GR. SFIRE IMR IMR 4895 .224" 2.220" 22.0 2827 40,500 PSI 24.6C 3106 50,700 PSI
55 GR. SFIRE Hodgdon H335 .224" 2.220" 21.4 2969 47,000 PSI 22.8 3099 51,800 PSI
55 GR. SFIRE Hodgdon H4895 .224" 2.220" 22.0 2941 40,600 PSI 24.6C 3226 53,500 PSI
55 GR. SFIRE Hodgdon Benchmark .224" 2.220" 21.0 2903 42,600 PSI 23.4 3128 51,000 PSI
55 GR. SFIRE Hodgdon H322 .224" .2220" 21.0 2894 42,800 PSI 23.1 3113 51,700 PSI
55 GR. SFIRE Hodgdon H4198 .224" 2.220" 18.0 2852 42,700 PSI 20.4 3084 51,400 PSI
55 GR. SPR SP Hodgdon CFE 223 .224" 2.200" 26.0 3133 43,300 PSI 27.8 3329 51,300 PSI
55 GR. SPR SP Hodgdon Varget .224" 2.200" 25.5 3174 41,300 CUP 27.5C 3384 49,700 CUP
55 GR. SPR SP IMR IMR 4320 .224" 2.200" 23.5 2874 41,300 PSI 26.1C 3146 50,700 PSI
55 GR. SPR SP IMR IMR 4064 .224" 2.200" 23.0 2867 40,300 PSI 25.7C 3201 52,600 PSI
55 GR. SPR SP Winchester 748 .224" 2.200" 26.3 3150 39,000 CUP
55 GR. SPR SP Hodgdon BL-C(2) .224" 2.200" 25.5 3069 37,200 CUP 27.5 3313 48,500 CUP
55 GR. SPR SP IMR IMR 4895 .224" 2.200" 23.0 2843 39,500 PSI 26.2C 3219 53,200 PSI
55 GR. SPR SP Hodgdon H335 .224" 2.200" 23.0 3018 40,800 CUP 25.3 3203 49,300 CUP
55 GR. SPR SP Hodgdon H4895 .224" 2.200" 25.0 3176 39,700 CUP 26.0 3315 49,000 CUP
55 GR. SPR SP IMR IMR 8208 XBR .224" 2.200" 23.0 3024 42,100 PSI 25.3 3268 53,100 PSI
55 GR. SPR SP IMR IMR 3031 .224" 2.200" 21.6 2907 41,100 PSI 24.6C 3233 52,500 PSI
55 GR. SPR SP Hodgdon Benchmark .224" 2.200" 24.0 3113 42,600 CUP 25.6 3264 50,000 CUP
55 GR. SPR SP Hodgdon H322 .224" 2.200" 21.0 2841 38,600 CUP 23.0 3106 48,900 CUP
55 GR. SPR SP IMR IMR 4198 .224" 2.200" 18.8 2885 41,600 PSI 20.4 3122 53,600 PSI
55 GR. SPR SP Hodgdon H4198 .224" 2.200" 19.0 2841 34,800 CUP 21.0 3150 47,600 CUP
60 GR. HDY V-MAX Hodgdon CFE 223 .224" 2.250" 25.0 3007 46,000 PSI 26.7 3176 53,400 PSI
60 GR. HDY V-MAX Hodgdon Varget .224" 2.250" 25.0 2924 40,400 CUP 27.0C 3159 51,900 CUP
60 GR. HDY V-MAX IMR IMR 4320 .224" 2.250" 23.7 2860 45,400 PSI 25.3C 3006 52,100 PSI
60 GR. HDY V-MAX IMR IMR 4064 .224" 2.250" 23.0 2837 42,500 PSI 24.7C 3055 52,600 PSI
60 GR. HDY V-MAX Hodgdon BL-C(2) .224" 2.250" 25.0 2948 44,900 CUP 27.0 3137 51,900 CUP
60 GR. HDY V-MAX IMR IMR 4895 .224" 2.250" 23.7 2884 45,000 PSI 25.2C 3052 52,700 PSI
60 GR. HDY V-MAX Hodgdon H335 .224" 2.250" 22.5 2910 43,700 CUP 24.0 3075 50,600 CUP
60 GR. HDY V-MAX Hodgdon H4895 .224" 2.250" 24.0 2918 37,600 CUP 26.0C 3174 50,100 CUP
60 GR. HDY V-MAX IMR IMR 8208 XBR .224" 2.250" 21.5 2857 43,500 PSI 23.6 3057 51,700 PSI
60 GR. HDY V-MAX IMR IMR 3031 .224" 2.250" 21.0 2815 42,500 PSI 22.5 3008 51,700 PSI
60 GR. HDY V-MAX Hodgdon Benchmark .224" 2.250" 23.0 2913 42,500 CUP 24.6 3086 49,900 CUP
60 GR. HDY V-MAX Hodgdon H322 .224" 2.250" 22.0 2873 40,300 CUP 23.5 3063 49,800 CUP
60 GR. HDY V-MAX IMR IMR 4198 .224" 2.250" 18.3 2795 42,500 PSI 19.5 2945 52,000 PSI
60 GR. HDY V-MAX Hodgdon H4198 .224" 2.250" 18.0 2747 42,500 CUP 20.0 2953 47,600 CUP
63 GR. SIE SP Hodgdon CFE 223 .224" 2.200" 25.0 2957 46,300 PSI 26.4 3113 53,500 PSI
63 GR. SIE SP Hodgdon Varget .224" 2.200" 24.5 3000 42,400 CUP 26.4C 3199 50,700 CUP
63 GR. SIE SP IMR IMR 4320 .224" 2.200" 23.0 2733 42,500 PSI 25.5 2975 52,900 PSI
63 GR. SIE SP IMR IMR 4064 .224" 2.200" 22.5 2765 44,400 PSI 24.8C 3028 52,600 PSI
63 GR. SIE SP Winchester 748 .224" 2.200" 25.0 2970 47,500 CUP
63 GR. SIE SP Hodgdon BL-C(2) .224" 2.200" 24.0 2847 36,600 CUP 26.0 3054 46,300 CUP
63 GR. SIE SP IMR IMR 4895 .224" 2.200" 22.9 2758 42,700 PSI 25.3 3054 53,500 PSI
63 GR. SIE SP Hodgdon H335 .224" 2.200" 22.5 2820 41,000 CUP 25.0 3051 50,000 CUP
63 GR. SIE SP Hodgdon H4895 .224" 2.200" 23.5 2831 43,300 CUP 25.5 3078 50,000 CUP
63 GR. SIE SP IMR IMR 8208 XBR .224" 2.200" 21.0 2783 43,000 PSI 23.1 2995 52,400 PSI
63 GR. SIE SP IMR IMR 3031 .224" 2.200" 21.0 2737 42,900 PSI 23.3 3018 53,000 PSI
63 GR. SIE SP Hodgdon Benchmark .224" 2.200" 22.0 2845 41,800 CUP 24.2 3066 50,500 CUP
63 GR. SIE SP Hodgdon H322 .224" 2.200" 20.0 2672 38,100 CUP 22.0 2862 48,400 CUP
63 GR. SIE SP IMR IMR 4198 .224" 2.200" 18.5 2756 48,100 PSI 20.0 2946 53,500 PSI
63 GR. SIE SP Hodgdon H4198 .224" 2.200" 18.0 2680 33,600 CUP 20.0 2846 44,600 CUP
69 GR. SIE HPBT Hodgdon CFE 223 .224" 2.235" 23.5 2788 43,800 PSI 25.8 3029 54,600 PSI
69 GR. SIE HPBT Hodgdon Varget .224" 2.235" 24.0 2784 39,200 CUP 26.0C 3010 50,200 CUP
69 GR. SIE HPBT IMR IMR 4320 .224" 2.235" 23.0 2673 43,500 PSI 24.8 2873 53,100 PSI
69 GR. SIE HPBT IMR IMR 4064 .224" 2.235" 22.5 2690 42,200 PSI 24.0C 2872 50,900 PSI
69 GR. SIE HPBT Winchester 748 .224" 2.235" 24.5 2870 51,500 CUP
69 GR. SIE HPBT Hodgdon BL-C(2) .224" 2.235" 24.5 2833 40,600 CUP 26.5 3029 50,100 CUP
69 GR. SIE HPBT IMR IMR 4895 .224" 2.235" 23.3 2783 44,600 PSI 24.8C 2953 53,600 PSI
69 GR. SIE HPBT Hodgdon H335 .224" 2.235" 22.0 2801 42,400 CUP 24.0 2960 49,500 CUP
69 GR. SIE HPBT Hodgdon H4895 .224" 2.235" 24.0 2870 41,100 CUP 26.0C 3069 49,700 CUP
69 GR. SIE HPBT IMR IMR 8208 XBR .224" 2.235" 21.0 2696 42,200 PSI 23.8 2959 52,900 PSI
69 GR. SIE HPBT IMR IMR 3031 .224" 2.235" 21.0 2707 42,900 PSI 22.5 2906 52,800 PSI
69 GR. SIE HPBT Hodgdon Benchmark .224" 2.235" 21.5 2770 39,700 CUP 23.5 2970 49,700 CUP
69 GR. SIE HPBT Hodgdon H322 .224" 2.235" 21.0 2746 40,500 CUP 23.0 2932 49,400 CUP
69 GR. SIE HPBT IMR IMR 4198 .224" 2.235" 18.3 2706 46,300 PSI 19.5 2818 52,300 PSI
70 GR. SPR SP Hodgdon CFE 223 .224" 2.140" 23.0 2719 45,600 PSI 24.7 2900 53,800 PSI
70 GR. SPR SP Hodgdon Varget .224" 2.140" 23.5 2827 41,000 CUP 26.0C 3024 48,400 CUP
70 GR. SPR SP IMR IMR 4320 .224" 2.140" 20.3 2490 38,200 PSI 24.3 2799 52,900 PSI
70 GR. SPR SP IMR IMR 4064 .224" 2.140" 19.5 2485 42,000 PSI 23.5C 2831 53,300 PSI
70 GR. SPR SP Hodgdon BL-C(2) .224" 2.140" 24.5 2774 41,700 CUP 26.5 2954 50,800 CUP
70 GR. SPR SP IMR IMR 4895 .224" 2.140" 20.2 2562 45,700 PSI 24.5C 2917 52,300 PSI
70 GR. SPR SP Hodgdon H335 .224" 2.140" 21.0 2520 34,500 CUP 23.5 2867 47,900 CUP
70 GR. SPR SP Hodgdon H4895 .224" 2.140" 23.0 2782 40,400 CUP 25.0 2997 50,500 CUP
70 GR. SPR SP IMR IMR 8208 XBR .224" 2.140" 20.0 2621 44,100 PSI 21.8 2797 52,800 PSI
70 GR. SPR SP IMR IMR 3031 .224" 2.140" 19.0 2582 47,200 PSI 21.2 2729 50,900 PSI
70 GR. SPR SP Hodgdon Benchmark .224" 2.140" 20.5 2665 45,200 CUP 22.8 2869 51,000 CUP
70 GR. SPR SP Hodgdon H322 .224" 2.140" 19.0 2515 37,500 CUP 23.0 2962 51,200 CUP
75 GR. JLK VLD IMR IMR 4007 SSC .224" 2.250" 23.0 2463 39,400 PSI 26.0C 2780 52,300 PSI
75 GR. JLK VLD Hodgdon CFE 223 .224" 2.250" 23.0 2680 45,200 PSI 25.0 2876 54,400 PSI
75 GR. JLK VLD Hodgdon Varget .224" 2.250" 22.5 2693 40,600 CUP 25.0C 2907 48,400 CUP
75 GR. JLK VLD IMR IMR 4320 .224" 2.250" 22.5 2554 39,700 PSI 24.2C 2766 53,200 PSI
75 GR. JLK VLD IMR IMR 4064 .224" 2.250" 21.0 2531 37,500 PSI 24.0C 2827 53,400 PSI
75 GR. JLK VLD Hodgdon BL-C(2) .224" 2.250" 23.0 2646 39,800 CUP 26.0 2858 49,500 CUP
75 GR. JLK VLD IMR IMR 4895 .224" 2.250" 21.2 2506 41,200 PSI 23.8C 2786 51,800 PSI
75 GR. JLK VLD Hodgdon H335 .224" 2.250" 21.0 2624 41,300 CUP 23.0 2814 50,000 CUP
75 GR. JLK VLD Hodgdon H4895 .224" 2.250" 22.5 2696 39,900 CUP 24.5 2905 50,000 CUP
75 GR. JLK VLD IMR IMR 8208 XBR .224" 2.250" 20.0 2538 40,800 PSI 22.7 2804 53,900 PSI
75 GR. JLK VLD IMR IMR 3031 .224" 2.250" 20.0 2543 40,000 PSI 21.8C 2740 53,500 PSI
75 GR. JLK VLD Hodgdon Benchmark .224" 2.250" 21.5 2610 41,900 CUP 23.5 2829 49,400 CUP
75 GR. JLK VLD Hodgdon H322 .224" 2.250" 20.0 2594 40,700 CUP 22.0 2785 48,100 CUP
77 GR. SIE HPBT IMR IMR 4007 SSC .224" 2.260" 22.0 2392 40,000 PSI 25.0C 2672 50,500 PSI
77 GR. SIE HPBT Hodgdon CFE 223 .224" 2.260" 22.5 2627 45,400 PSI 24.3 2811 53,500 PSI
77 GR. SIE HPBT Hodgdon Varget .224" 2.260" 21.0 2528 42,700 CUP 23.7C 2737 50,700 CUP
77 GR. SIE HPBT IMR IMR 4320 .224" 2.260" 20.5 2347 42,000 PSI 23.1C 2654 50,300 PSI
77 GR. SIE HPBT IMR IMR 4064 .224" 2.260" 20.0 2397 42,200 PSI 22.7C 2698 53,000 PSI
77 GR. SIE HPBT Hodgdon BL-C(2) .224" 2.260" 23.0 2640 42,500 CUP 24.9 2804 50,700 CUP
77 GR. SIE HPBT IMR IMR 4895 .224" 2.260" 20.0 2379 41,800 PSI 23.0C 2708 53,100 PSI
77 GR. SIE HPBT Hodgdon H335 .224" 2.260" 21.0 2582 44,400 CUP 22.6 2738 51,700 CUP
77 GR. SIE HPBT Hodgdon H4895 .224" 2.260" 20.0 2474 40,300 CUP 22.6C 2727 50,200 CUP
77 GR. SIE HPBT IMR IMR 8208 XBR .224" 2.260" 20.5 2535 41,800 PSI 23.2 2792 55,000 PSI
77 GR. SIE HPBT IMR IMR 3031 .224" 2.260" 18.5 2365 42,200 PSI 21.3C 2692 53,700 PSI
77 GR. SIE HPBT Hodgdon Benchmark .224" 2.260" 20.5 2523 27,400 CUP 22.8 2763 50,000 CUP
77 GR. SIE HPBT Hodgdon H322 .224" 2.260" 20.0 2578 44,900 CUP 21.8 2721 50,900 CUP
80 GR. SIE MK IMR IMR 4007 SSC .224" 2.550" 22.0 2266 34,100 PSI 25.0C 2558 44,900 PSI
80 GR. SIE MK Hodgdon CFE 223 .224" 2.550" 23.0 2638 46,700 PSI 24.4 2785 53,600 PSI
80 GR. SIE MK Hodgdon Varget .224" 2.550" 22.0 2547 40,300 CUP 25.0C 2869 51,500 CUP
80 GR. SIE MK IMR IMR 4320 .224" 2.550" 21.5 2484 42,600 PSI 23.1 2647 51,700 PSI
80 GR. SIE MK IMR IMR 4064 .224" 2.550" 20.0 2415 39,500 PSI 22.7C 2673 51,900 PSI
80 GR. SIE MK Hodgdon BL-C(2) .224" 2.550" 23.0 2576 39,700 CUP 25.5 2768 49,400 CUP
80 GR. SIE MK IMR IMR 4895 .224" 2.550" 20.0 2346 41,300 PSI 23.0C 2708 53,900 PSI
80 GR. SIE MK Hodgdon H335 .224" 2.550" 20.0 2453 39,700 CUP 22.5 2744 50,000 CUP
80 GR. SIE MK Hodgdon H4895 .224" 2.550" 21.5 2578 40,100 CUP 24.0 2825 50,000 CUP
80 GR. SIE MK IMR IMR 8208 XBR .224" 2.550" 19.0 2456 44,400 PSI 21.0 2628 52,900 PSI
80 GR. SIE MK IMR IMR 3031 .224" 2.550" 18.5 2336 42,600 PSI 21.0 2632 51,500 PSI
80 GR. SIE MK Hodgdon Benchmark .224" 2.550" 20.5 2525 43,900 CUP 22.5 2700 49,600 CUP
80 GR. SIE MK Hodgdon H322 .224" 2.550" 20.0 2546 40,700 CUP 22.0 2744 49,000 CUP
90 GR. SIE HPBT Hodgdon H414 .224" 2.380" 22.5 2332 41,700 PSI 24.0 2482 52,100 PSI
90 GR. SIE HPBT Hodgdon CFE 223 .224" 2.380" 21.0 2391 45,900 PSI 22.8 2554 53,500 PSI
90 GR. SIE HPBT Hodgdon Varget .224" 2.380" 21.0 2332 46,700 PSI 22.3C 2447 52,100 PSI
90 GR. SIE HPBT IMR IMR 4320 .224" 2.380" 21.0 2338 47,800 PSI 22.5C 2476 53,800 PSI
90 GR. SIE HPBT Hodgdon BL-C(2) .224" 2.380" 21.0 2291 41,400 PSI 22.5 2491 52,300 PSI
90 GR. SIE HPBT IMR IMR 4895 .224" 2.380" 21.0 2356 46,200 PSI 22.5C 2527 53,000 PSI
90 GR. SIE HPBT Hodgdon H4895 .224" 2.380" 20.0 2352 47,500 PSI 21.5 2481 53,500 PSI
90 GR. SIE HPBT IMR IMR 8208 XBR .224" 2.380" 18.0 2270 45,600 PSI 19.6 2419 52,800 PSI


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[rcmodel]

My god man?? :eek:
How long did it take you to research and type all that!

I bow to you, for your perservence and dedication in the persuit of the perfect OAL!!

But you need to know that all published OAL is only the OAL they tested the loads at.

It is not the perfect OAL for the bullet, your gun, your magazine, or even the recommended OAL for any gun.

It is just the tested OAL in a pressure barrel, and a place for us to start seeing if the tested OAL will fit in our guns begin our load development.

My SOP is always to seat one caliber deep in rifles, and see if they will chamber.

I was never real big on trying to reach the rifling.
In most rifles anymore, you can't anyway with light bullets, so why try?

rc

[jim147]

I don't know 280shooter, you pasted the whole list off Hodgdon and it is not all wrong. Maybe the Nosler's that are listed need a longer COAL but that is why the bullet and powder manufacture's have email and help numbers.

The OP asked about a Hornady bullet and as rc said, Hornady list's it at 2.200.

The Nosler bullet is question listed on the Hodgdon site as needing 2.280 is listed by Nosler at 2.260. But if you compare Nosler's data to Hodgdon, you see that Hodgdon shoved about one half to one more grain of powder in their load with the extra length. That is why we have to work up our loads and use multiple sources before we start. :scrutiny:

jim

[280shooter]

thats why I always use multiple sources ,I use old and new reloading books. I find it interesting how the same company will change some of the MAX, charge,,I had bought the new hornady book.and I look up say my 280, x bullets x powder. I go what the h,,l. my god all them bullets I been shooting are 4 grs over max.. what did I do,,I then get the 3 hornady book, and sure enough..what I loaded say 10 years ago was not Max, but is now..So I then dig out my other reloading books and start reading again..Ya just never know. powder chnges and bullets changes, Ya jjust have to keep up on it all..

[Redneck with a 40]

Turns out I made a dumb statement, my factory PMC 55 grain rounds are at 2.250" and they feed fine in the Mini. So I'll just keep them shorter than 2.250".

[gamestalker]

I haven't looked at, or used published OAL's in many years. And as to how much bullet needs to be in the neck, that too is only a problem if it becomes a problem, in my opinion. When I seat light weight varmit bullets for various cartridges and rifles, it has sometimes taken the bullet to less than half the diameter in the neck, and I've yet to experience powder spilling or bullets falling out of the cases. And I've never been able to physically pull those bullets without the use of a puller.

But for a new reloader, the minimum of bullet diameter in the neck is a good starting place I suppose.