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351 WINCHESTER
March 23, 2012, 07:12 PM
I heard today that one is not required to qualify with a handgun to get a ccw in Fl which I find somewhat disturbing. Did I hear wrong or is this fact?

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olderguns
March 23, 2012, 09:15 PM
No you don't Have to use a handgun.. you Hunters Education or Armed services card will prove you have the Knowledge to safely carry a gun... Don't know that I fully agree with that, seeing some of the people who carry (they are not safe at all)

browningguy
March 23, 2012, 09:20 PM
My dad and step mother (both 78 years old) just got their FL CHL, they had to shoot 1 round through a .22 revolver, and hit anywhere on the target.

dogmush
March 23, 2012, 09:40 PM
There is no specific range requirement for FL's CCW. Many of the classes that fulfill the training requirement will have a range portion, some longer then others, but it's not a state requirement.

As an aside, what other fundamental rights do you feel should be subject to competency tests? Voting? Speech? ...Life?

brboyer
March 23, 2012, 09:42 PM
There is no requirement that you fire a gun, however you must prove competency by:

790.06(2)
(h) Demonstrates competence with a firearm by any one of the following:
1. Completion of any hunter education or hunter safety course approved by the Fish and Wildlife Conservation Commission or a similar agency of another state;
2. Completion of any National Rifle Association firearms safety or training course;
3. Completion of any firearms safety or training course or class available to the general public offered by a law enforcement, junior college, college, or private or public institution or organization or firearms training school, utilizing instructors certified by the National Rifle Association, Criminal Justice Standards and Training Commission, or the Department of Agriculture and Consumer Services;
4. Completion of any law enforcement firearms safety or training course or class offered for security guards, investigators, special deputies, or any division or subdivision of law enforcement or security enforcement;
5. Presents evidence of equivalent experience with a firearm through participation in organized shooting competition or military service;
6. Is licensed or has been licensed to carry a firearm in this state or a county or municipality of this state, unless such license has been revoked for cause; or
7. Completion of any firearms training or safety course or class conducted by a state-certified or National Rifle Association certified firearms instructor

Some folks (even some instructors) erroneously believe that you must fire a gun, you don't. They think this because of this:
. . .
any person who conducts a course pursuant to subparagraph 2., subparagraph 3., or subparagraph 7., or who, as an instructor, attests to the completion of such courses, must maintain records certifying that he or she observed the student safely handle and discharge the firearm.

NavyLCDR
March 23, 2012, 10:01 PM
I heard today that one is not required to qualify with a handgun to get a ccw in Fl which I find somewhat disturbing. Did I hear wrong or is this fact?
In Washington state there is no training requirement at all. Pay your fee, submit your fingerprints, get a CPL.

Since several states require no training at all to carry a gun without any problems associated with that, upon what facts do you base your discomfort or is it just an emotional reaction? Or is it that people who apply for the Florida license are that much less responsible and/or capable than people who carry guns in all the states that have no training requirement?

hey_poolboy
March 23, 2012, 10:01 PM
You are not required to complete any range time for the UT course either. There's a range near me that offers both (UT and FL) and I'm thinking of taking the two for combo. Gotta have something since my wretched state doesn't allow me to carry, and I don't see it happening anytime soon. At least this way I can carry in other states.

browningguy
March 23, 2012, 10:26 PM
As an aside, what other fundamental rights do you feel should be subject to competency tests? Voting? Speech? ...Life?

Once again we resort to absurdities. But here you go, voting is regulated by age, speech is regulated in many ways, but let's not bother discussing the absurdity of a competency test for being alive.

dogmush
March 23, 2012, 11:23 PM
Once again we resort to absurdities. But here you go, voting is regulated by age, speech is regulated in many ways, but let's not bother discussing the absurdity of a competency test for being alive.

I wasn't resorting to absurdities, I was asking a question. The OP asked about qualifying with a handgun. That's why I specified a competency test, as opposed to just restrictions (like age). We could have a discussion about just having restrictions, but my question was predicated on the inherently more subjective idea of competency. (i.e. you are either 18 or you're not, but what level of skill is "good enough", and who gets to decide that)

I asked that to try and draw the OP in to a discussion on who gets to decide the level of skill needed to exercise a right. It's been my experience that many folks that are in favor of the government deciding minimum skill needed to exercise right haven't fully thought the ramifications of that one through, so I was hoping to elicit some discussion from the OP on that front. This being a discussion board and all.

If you feel it's an absurd discussion feel free to remove yourself from it, I promise not to be offended at your lack of participation.

Yoda
March 23, 2012, 11:31 PM
A shop was shut down in Destin, Florida, for issuing certifications for CCW when all the instructor asked his students to do was shoot some AirSoft rounds at the end of his class. I believe that all the certificates of course completion were disallowed, and their CCW licenses were revoked.

- - - Yoda

1894
March 24, 2012, 12:23 AM
When I took my class years ago (yes, FL), all we were "required," to do was discharge one round safely downrange. But, the instructor let us send as many as we wanted;)

While it does give me pause, this is closer to, "shall not be infringed," than many other places and one of the reasons I love The Sunshine State.

brboyer
March 24, 2012, 01:11 AM
A shop was shut down in Destin, Florida, for issuing certifications for CCW when all the instructor asked his students to do was shoot some AirSoft rounds at the end of his class. I believe that all the certificates of course completion were disallowed, and their CCW licenses were revoked.

- - - Yoda

Doubt it.
Care to supply us with a link to a news story or other citation for this story?

There is no requirement to fire a firearm to receive a CWFL in Florida. The statute is quoted above.

Yoda
March 24, 2012, 01:53 PM
"Care to give us a link?"

Nope. My knowledge is based on being there and talking with the owner. I also don't bother to look things up for rude posters.

If there was no requirement for the instructor to actually observe a student fire a real gun, then a lot of the CCW classes at gun shows wouldn't bother having the students shoot a reduced-charge round into a phone book before they got their certificate of training.

- - - Yoda

Gtimothy
March 24, 2012, 02:07 PM
My Retired military ID card was sufficient for the exemption as was my wife's DD-214. I don't feel that their needs to be a "class" for CCW. I think that the whole permit process is just another TAX that the State imposes on us for something that the 2A already grants us....my 2 cents ;)

exavid
March 24, 2012, 08:51 PM
I got my non-resident FL CCW by submitting fingerprints, DD214, picture, application and money by mail. OR required a CCW course that hit on the CCW laws mostly, nothing very deep and little if any instruction in actual firearm handling.
I'm of mixed opinion about required training for a CCW permit. First of course because I find the idea of a permit goes against the 2nd. On the other hand I would like to think that people who get a CCW permit have some knowledge of how to use their weapon and what the laws are about using deadly force.

MedWheeler
March 24, 2012, 10:44 PM
The law in Florida is about addressing safety skills, knowledge, and, to some extent, the legal aspects of using deadly force in self-defense. It is not about marksmanship. However, the "door" is open to a licensee seeking further training if he/she so desires, just as any newly-licensed driver can go on to seek courses in performance or defensive driving (neither of which is required to actually get the license in the first place.)

brboyer
March 25, 2012, 12:21 AM
"Care to give us a link?"

Nope. My knowledge is based on being there and talking with the owner. I also don't bother to look things up for rude posters.

If there was no requirement for the instructor to actually observe a student fire a real gun, then a lot of the CCW classes at gun shows wouldn't bother having the students shoot a reduced-charge round into a phone book before they got their certificate of training.

- - - Yoda

So the 'owner' of a gunstore (you said 'shop' so I assume it was a gunstore) said his business was shut down because of something an instructor did (even if the instructor was the owner). Unless of course this 'shop' was some kind of training shop and not a gun dealer.

One thing has nothing to do with the other: A FFL selling guns and an instructor teaching CWFL classes.

Oh, and if the shop was shut down how were you there?


BTW: The NRA Home Firearm Safety Course qualifies as proof of comptency for a CWFL:
790.06(2)(h)(2):Completion of any National Rifle Association firearms safety or training course

Here is a course description from the NRA website for this course:
Non-shooting course and teaches students the basic knowledge, skills, and to explain the attitude necessary for the safe handling and storage of firearms and ammunition in the home.

Perhaps you could explain how a non-firing class qualifies for a CWFL? ...or not :rolleyes:

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