[Skunkabilly]

Anyone have them? (El Tejon?) How do you like the extended charging handle, ergonomically correct grip, etc?

[444]

I have a Wilson Combat muzzle brake. It is fantastic and without peer (at least among the ones I have tried). The difference is so significant that anytime I shoot one of my other ARs I wish it had a Wilson brake. My buddy is always disappointed when I show up without my rifle with the Wilson brake because he is always comparing his stuff to it.

[Skunkabilly]

Does it make it considerably louder?

[444]

It is noticably louder. I don't know about considerably louder.

[Skunkabilly]

What about the scope mounts, or are they just a stupid gimmick?

[Will Fennell]

Skunk,
I've got a WILSON muzzle brake....love it! no muzzle rise and no FLASH. Like every brake I've ever shot, its louder than no brake.

I've got the ergo grip....the best i've tried. Simple, comfortable, durable, and moves your hand position BACK, so your trigger finger doesn't crowd the trigger.

I've got the barrel flashlight mount/sling mount. It works great, but it is heavy:rolleyes: I think I might go with something else for my light mount.

Oh yeah, I had them do a triggger job using new parts[basically a modified JP trigger set up]....EXCELLENT! 3 lbs and CRISP. I've got about 2000 rounds and the trigger has held up fine.

My gun already had a ARMS SWAN SLEEVE and a REFLEX2, so I didn't look at the scope mounts from WILSON. Love the REFLEX...NO BATTERIES:scrutiny:

[Nero Steptoe]

"3 lbs and CRISP"

Sounds like a plain ol' JP trigger/hammer combo to me.

The Wilson Combat AR that I inspected out at our local range had:Rock River Arms lower; JP trigger/hammer; DPMS free-float tube. Not only did it cost twice as much as my nearly-identical Bushmaster, but it shot groups about twice as big, also! :)

[BigG]

"Doodads" - I would say that pretty well summed up most of the tackycal add ons I've seen for the AR15. :scrutiny:

[Will Fennell]

Nero,
It may sound or look like a JP trigger, but it don't act like one. I sent my AR w/ JP trigger back to the original maker, DPMS, to fix the doubling and tripling trigger twice, and finally back to JP. It still doubled and tripled when you least expected it.

WILSON fixed it. Same trigger/hammer...different adjustments and springs. It now works fine.

You may not like the price of WILSON gear/services, but one thing about it, it generally WORKS.

Your right though, BUSHMASTER is a great buy.

[Kaylee]

extended charging handle.... egh broge by dose.... ;)

If anyone ever taught you the soljerboy way to ensure consistent cheek weld by placing your nose up against the charging handle... um... don't do it with the extended "tactical" handle.

Thanks Oleg. :p

-K

[curt]

" If anyone ever taught you the soljerboy way to ensure consistent cheek weld by placing your nose up against the charging handle... um... don't do it with the extended "tactical" handle"

Why not? i do it with my Badger latch.

[twoblink]

Or you can save your money, buy a .22LR pistol, and take a few women shooting...

But what's practicality got to do with it in the face of tacticality??

Kaylee, if you are left handed like me, and you "cheek weld" too close, watch that ejection port!! as someone who's had a welt on his right eyebrow from smoking brass.. Don't try it at home kids!

Tactical = 50% markup on price.

"Doodads" = 150% of the rifle price, spent on accessories..

[El Tejon]

Skunk, just have what is on the Wilson UTs. Do not know if that falls within the doodaddee zone or not. All weapons should be taken out and beaten with a 23 oz. framing hammer to see if anything falls off. That should rid you of most doodads.

Remember, weapons are like the young and nubile, in that it is better to take off than put on.:D

[Oleg Volk]

I took extended charging handle off my rifle. It did make extracting a dud round easier but it also snagged a lot, esp. with a hands-free sling.

[Nero Steptoe]

Will: Glad you got your JP trigger working...still sounds like a properly-working JP trigger, just like mine. ;)

I know this thread had to do with the Wilson doo-dads, but I thought I'd throw in my observation of a Wilson AR. Didn't seem too special to me, particularly considering the price.

I'm surprised that JP wasn't able to fix your trigger. After a few thousand rounds (and a trigger pull of a little over 2#), my JP trigger started doubling. All that was required was the use of a stronger hammer spring. I'd polished the engagement area (polished, not ground) and the weak spring didn't provide enough tension. Also, if the nose of the disconnector is improperly filed, you can get not only doubling and tripling, but f.a.

I know that Jewell, Rock River, and Compass Lake, among others, make fine AR triggers, but I like the creepless, no-overtravel pull of the JP setup.

[Skunkabilly]

Ok...Wilson Muzzlebrake or pre-ban with Flashhider?

I REALLY prefer new firearms btw.

[gun-fucious]

for me its either a postban crowned bare muzzle or a preban threaded muzzle

IMHO
the permanent mounting of the MD ruins the ability to directly work on the barrel assembly components

[444]

Skunk, my opinion is to go with the muzzle brake. As I mentioned, I can really tell the difference between a bare muzzle and a muzzle brake. I can also see the difference between different muzzle brakes. I think it is a functional accessory that performs a useful task. I personally have no use for a flash suppressor. Hiding flash isn't a high priority for me. First of all, I seldom fire a gun at night which is the only time a flash suppressor does anything; on the other hand a muzzle brake is effective for every shot you fire day or night. Secondly, if I was planning on shooting at night, I would be using my AR with the Surefire 500A weapons light. In addition to providing positive target identification, and making your shooting more accurate, it will also give away your position and ruin your night vision. So, since I would be using a light, having muzzle flash is a moot point.

[Redlg155]

If you like the setup of your rifle, then go with a muzzlebrake. If you decide later that you want to change the front sight base or go to a free floated handguard, then it's gonna cost you to get it removed and a new one installed.

The RASII and the SIR handguards are also an excellent option for a different handguard if you have a non removable muzzle brake as they use the flatop rail and barrel nut area for mounting.

Don't leave out Kurts as an option also. He makes a very nice product and I've been very happy with my A3 Tac Brake permanently mounted on a 14.5" barrel.

Once I work out the details, I'll be having a FAL barrel cut to just past the gas block and the A3 Tac Brake fitted on my G1/Imbel in the very near future. Should come out like the DSA shorties but with a interesting looking muzzle brake.

Good SHooting
RED