Colt 1991-A1 .38 Super/9mm Round Count (O2991)


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cyclopsshooter
March 26, 2012, 09:54 PM
I have an option to buy a Colt 1991A1 .38 Super. My thoughts are to buy a 9mm barrel and use the pistol in both calibers for personal use and as a $10 Rental for our indoor gun range. (Customers could choose which caliber)

It is very rare that I buy a NEW gun to use as a shooter and when the opportunity presents itself I feel obligated to keep a detailed history on its performance. THR seems to be a great way to keep track since I can access the thread from any computer and the data provided can be a useful tool for members looking to buy.

Right now I am having a fun time running a thread on the Colt XSE Line: http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=620192

Would publicly testing another Colt (albeit a 1991 Series) be a waste of time for the members here? Part of me wonders whether an RIA would be more useful since more are sold, but I tried a thread on a Taurus PT1911 9mm a year ago but ended up selling it.. For the work involved in tracking a pistols life, I'd rather get one I'm likely to keep. Who knows..

Thankyou for your thoughts,
Cyclops

Edit: 3/27/2012
I WILL be buying the Colt... I will post photos soon

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2zulu1
March 27, 2012, 08:02 AM
Handloading the Super costs about the same as the 9mm, but you can also shoot selected 357mag bullets like the 125/140gr XTPs.

My Colt has a lot of holster wear and its performance on four legged vermin has been hammer of Thor.

John Holbrook
March 27, 2012, 03:38 PM
Here is my Colt Series 70 Super .38 / 9MM ....What is interesting, I can use the Super mag for BOTH rounds..

http://www.fototime.com/%7B1CB7AEB4-D61B-49F6-81A0-8AA84C0DA190%7D/origpict/DSC01316.JPG

cyclopsshooter
March 27, 2012, 04:02 PM
That is exactly what I want to do John, unfortunately my three checkmate mags have the block only allowing 9mm... I think i'm gonna by the Colt!

John Holbrook
March 27, 2012, 04:29 PM
The 9 MM barrel took a bit of fitting to make it feed cleanly. But it is sweet to shoot!!!! I got a cheapie barrel from SARCO.. And the ammo is a lot cheaper!!!! All it took was a barrel change..

The two mags on the left are Super .38s with a Super round and a 9 MM round.

The mag on the right is a 9 MM mag and you can see the spacer in the rear..

http://www.fototime.com/%7BB869999C-2C3B-4B4B-AE1F-3401538B9808%7D/origpict/DSC01320.JPG

rklessdriver
March 27, 2012, 06:19 PM
How well does the .38 Super extractor work on the 9mm?

Or do you change the extractor as well....

I'd think with .012 difference in the rim dia it'd chuck the looser fitting 9mm brass right at your face.
Will

Sergei Mosin
March 27, 2012, 06:26 PM
I'd be interested; a Colt .38 Super is something I think I might like to own one day.

John Holbrook
March 27, 2012, 06:26 PM
I changed nothing but the barrel and the extractor works just fine with 9MM...

John Holbrook
March 27, 2012, 06:40 PM
Here is my favorite Colt Super .38.....

http://www.fototime.com/%7BFF69FDD8-1837-4C7C-AB99-F9D5946DDB46%7D/origpict/Super%2520with%2520Photo.jpg

http://www.fototime.com/%7B5AE82360-15D9-4907-9CFD-6FF603736A93%7D/origpict/Copy%2520of%2520Rohatch%2520Colt%2520Letter%25201.jpg

cyclopsshooter
March 27, 2012, 07:26 PM
John... The roll-stamping on those pre-war A1s is the classiest Colt ever had. Don't know why they ever changed it...

surjimmy
March 27, 2012, 10:29 PM
There is a LW Commander 9mm w/38 super barrel on randgfirearms.com go to his pistol section and then click on his Gunbroker link. I have been buying from this guy for over 30 years.

cyclopsshooter
March 27, 2012, 11:03 PM
looks like it sold

para38super
March 28, 2012, 10:51 AM
The 38 super is my favorite round. It's does everything the 45 acp and more. Stronger than a 9mm but not as strong as the 10mm, not as snappy either. Ammo is expensive, but you can always get a 9mm barrel for range use as you suggested. Reloading for the 38 super is also very interesting to say the least.

ghitch75
March 28, 2012, 01:34 PM
i have 4 Super's.....2 LW Commanders and 2 Governments....can't comment on the 9mm but the super is a great all around round that's if you reload.....

stock 1968 LWC Super..
http://i56.tinypic.com/mli0t0.jpg

1968 LWC Super with added goody's...
http://i41.tinypic.com/9qe0bn.jpg

1994 80 Series Government Super with Kart match barrel and other goody's..
http://i42.tinypic.com/1ewisw.jpg

2007 Colt Custom Super...
http://i42.tinypic.com/2u5ywzr.jpg

ApacheCoTodd
March 28, 2012, 01:56 PM
This is one of several threads which have the words "round count" in the title. What are folks referring to with this phrase? I'm not seeing it pertaining to number of rounds fired in some of the threads.
Not criticizing - not a statement - sincerely curious.

Oh, and I have a Colt Series 80 9x23 with factory .38 Super conversion so I love threads like this and this one in particular right now as I keep getting closer to popping that first round outa the 9x23 each time I read one of these Super/9mm threads.

cyclopsshooter
March 28, 2012, 02:02 PM
http://i415.photobucket.com/albums/pp233/wrc376/100_0830.jpg

http://i415.photobucket.com/albums/pp233/wrc376/100_0829.jpg

cyclopsshooter
March 28, 2012, 02:05 PM
Todd, "Round Count" does refer to the number of rounds down-pipe. In the case of my thread on the Colt XSE pistols... I do a lot of other yapping too... the the "count" is there.

Damn nice pistols you got folks!

ApacheCoTodd
March 28, 2012, 02:42 PM
Todd, "Round Count" does refer to the number of rounds down-pipe. In the case of my thread on the Colt XSE pistols... I do a lot of other yapping too... the the "count" is there.

Damn nice pistols you got folks!
I think I get it. You are going to buy the mentioned pistol and maintain this thread as a round count sort of affair.

Here's my 9x23/.38 Super. Even thought the box notes it as both calibers, it is unfortunately not noted on the pistol except the stamping on the barrel shrouds. I'd love to have it marked as either caliber as some of the posted pistols are. Maybe after I get rid of all the plastic components Colt shipped this rascal with.

John Holbrook
March 28, 2012, 04:05 PM
Maybe I should have posted this on the holster Forum, cause that is some holster!!! Or perhaps the concealed carry Forum!!! Whadda you think??

Moderators, forgive me, please. I just could not resist!!!

My former wife's father sent me this. He is also a retired Navy Chief....----:D

Besides, this is a educational Forum, right?????

http://www.fototime.com/%7B26072BE1-0463-48FE-954D-B5C1528C1AA4%7D/origpict/Bikini%2520Carry.jpg

John Holbrook
March 28, 2012, 04:07 PM
I think I get it. You are going to buy the mentioned pistol and maintain this thread as a round count sort of affair.

Here's my 9x23/.38 Super. Even thought the box notes it as both calibers, it is unfortunately not noted on the pistol except the stamping on the barrel shrouds. I'd love to have it marked as either caliber as some of the posted pistols are. Maybe after I get rid of all the plastic components Colt shipped this rascal with.

That is one good looking pistola!!!!!!

John Holbrook
March 28, 2012, 04:24 PM
Here is the chamber of the 9 MM in its final iteration. Not very pretty, however it works and feeds just fine with no evidence of overpressure even with some pretty hot rounds!!! I have put a couple thousands of 9 MM through it!! I have some Swedish WW II Sub Gun ammo that is HOT, and it ate it right up!!

I got the cheapy barrel from SARCO. I think I paid $40.00 bucks for it...

http://www.fototime.com/%7B43E2528F-8C32-4896-A834-9FBF7BD70867%7D/origpict/DSC01321.JPG

dickttx
March 28, 2012, 05:12 PM
I bought a 1970 dob 9mm Commander a few months ago. It WOULD NOT extract. Colt and some other manufacturers show only a COMMANDER extractor. However, Midway carries a Les Baer 9mm/38 Super extractor and a .45 ACP. I bought the 9mm/38 Super and after a couple of bends to tweak it, it has ripped of about 700 rounds without a hitch.
Recently added a 38 Super barrel assembly and it has not missed a lick extracting those either. Knowledgable Super shooters on another forum had said the extractor was the same for the 9 and 38.

John Holbrook
March 28, 2012, 05:28 PM
Recently added a 38 Super barrel assembly and it has not missed a lick extracting those either. Knowledgable Super shooters on another forum had said the extractor was the same for the 9 and 38.

My experience exactly. I have owned two Supers that I have fitted 9 MM barrels to and both extractors worked fine. I had a pre Series 70 .45 that I put a 9MM slide on and the .45 ejector actually worked OK also...

BTW, I lived in Azle for many years....

cyclopsshooter
March 28, 2012, 08:04 PM
holster? what? If that's education.. I went to the wrong school...

cyclopsshooter
April 6, 2012, 08:39 PM
57 rounds of .38 Super- no failures. Have yet to find an acceptable 9mm barrel.

Combined Round Count: 57
Super 38: 57
9mm......: 0
Pistol Failures: 0

cyclopsshooter
April 7, 2012, 04:14 PM
Buddy shot 8

Combined Round Count: 65
Super 38: 65
9mm......: 0
Pistol Failures: 0

CmdrSlander
April 7, 2012, 10:12 PM
How is the recoil compared to a M1911 in .45 Auto?

cyclopsshooter
April 7, 2012, 10:14 PM
Noticeably lighter- and MUCH flatter shooting-

ghitch75
April 7, 2012, 10:18 PM
How is the recoil compared to a M1911 in .45 Auto?

that depends on how hot you load them....recoil about the same just louder....

CmdrSlander
April 7, 2012, 11:03 PM
@cyclopshooter Have you shot the 9mm yet? I am picking up a 9mm M1911 to keep my shooting costs down and I was hoping for fairly mild recoil.

cyclopsshooter
April 7, 2012, 11:38 PM
I missed out on a barrel at work today because I was back in the range showing someone how to shoot... shoot! However, I had a Taurus PT1911 9mm a while back and the recoil was very soft- about like a HiPower if not a bit less.. (though I have a very low round count with the Brownings.)

You won't be disappointed with a full size 1911 9mm

CmdrSlander
April 8, 2012, 12:44 AM
@cyclopshooter Does the .38 Super - 9mm conversion work the other way as well? Can you fit a .38 super barrel and mag to a 9mm 1911?

cyclopsshooter
April 8, 2012, 01:28 AM
I believe that you can, that was an intent I had with the Taurus. Someone told me about a few small issues but nothing major that I recall.

Walkalong
April 8, 2012, 07:16 PM
I have an option to buy a Colt 1991A1 .38 Super. My thoughts are to buy a 9mm barrel and use the pistol in both calibersI don't know about a rental (Could care less really), but for personal use I highly recommend it. I bought a "drop in" (Wasn't quite) 9MM Storm Lake barrel for my Colt Series 80 Enhanced .38 Super. So far it has run 100% shooting 9MM in the stock Colt .38 Super mag. Just RN so far. The .38 Super is a great round and lots of fun to shoot, but the 9MM is much cheaper with all the free brass laying around.

http://www.thehighroad.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=162408&stc=1&d=1333923358

cyclopsshooter
April 8, 2012, 07:33 PM
but the 9MM is much cheaper with all the free brass laying around.

DING DING DING!

Exactly.. We recycle the brass in our range.. usually a customer agrees to collect and sort, and we split it 50/50. The lead also gets melted into ingots for a 50/50 split. The .380, .40 and .45 brass sells quick... no one touches the 9mm.. (big reason why I snagged an old Olympic 9mm AR upper that came my way)

Went on a gopher hunt this morning and it struck me that this 5" .38 super would make a dandy hot load gopher getter for the close range stuff... It really got me itching to order some adjustable fiber optic sights and have dove tails cut. It would probably be a big help with the varying grain weights of the two calibers.

Anyone have a good idea on sights? Ideally Id like to have the rear as close to Novak size and shape... but those only seem to be adjustable for elevation, I want windage too.

Happy Easter all!

cyclopsshooter
April 10, 2012, 09:41 PM
Shot 7

Combined Round Count: 72
Super 38: 72
9mm......: 0
Pistol Failures: 0

cyclopsshooter
April 12, 2012, 06:43 PM
Customer tried 2 rounds

Shot 7

Combined Round Count: 74
Super 38: 74
9mm......: 0
Pistol Failures: 0

cyclopsshooter
April 22, 2012, 12:33 AM
Installed an adjustable rear sight today, fired 9 rounds. Taking the ol gopher getter on a rock chuck excursion on Monday- Gonna use it if anything is close range- sure wish I had a fiber optic front sight!

Combined Round Count: 90
Super 38: 90
9mm......: 0
Pistol Failures: 0

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