A Bullet I Wish Nosler Made


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Dthunter
March 29, 2012, 03:24 PM
I would really like to see a Nosler
Partition with a Ballistic tip made made for various
Calibers.

It would have close to the BC of a ballistic tip, but perform like the normal partiton. It should easily open up at longer distances like the ballistic tip, but still hold together to penetrate deep if hitting at high speeds up close.

There must be a manufacturing limitation to this design, because I am sure I am not the only one who has thought of it.

What do you guys think?

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rcmodel
March 29, 2012, 03:36 PM
Barnes MRX sorta:
http://www.barnesbullets.com/products/rifle/mrx-bullet/

rc

Dthunter
March 29, 2012, 04:14 PM
Rcmodel:
Thats the closest I have seen! Good job!
My guess is that they are expensive though!

Anyone have experience with them here?

kingmt
March 29, 2012, 04:31 PM
I have heard about wanting your cake & eat it also.

Yes there is a limitation. It isn't possible for it to come apart after it has slowed down & stay together at its max speed.

Dthunter
March 30, 2012, 10:50 AM
Kingmt:

Thanks for your input, but I wasnt suggesting a bullet design that would open up reliably at 800 fps and not blow up at 4000+fps.

All I was thinking was to protect the nosler partions nose with a ballistic tip, and give it a slight boat tail thats all. Maybe my overall post description didnt reflect that.

Never the less, there are lots of bullets out there that do just fine. I know this, I normaly shoot more than a few big game animals every year.

The partition does such a wonderful job.
I have only recovered a small handful over the years. They penetrate very well. One of
my favorite recovered partitions, was from a 450 lb Black Bear Boar I shot lengthwise at 12-15 yards. I recovered it in the very back side of his ham! Talk about penetration!
This was with a 25-06,120grain partition. I was impressed by the performance!
The bear went about 5 steps before cratering.

Thanks for the posts guys!

Haxby
March 30, 2012, 11:52 AM
'It would have close to the BC of a ballistic tip, but perform like the normal partiton.'

That's pretty much how Nosler describes the Accubond.

kingmt
March 30, 2012, 12:17 PM
Guess I'm still not fallowing. You want the front half to open up but the back of the slug to keep its mass to keep driving on? Maybe?

If this is the case a something with a perpetrator core would do this.

Boxhead
March 30, 2012, 12:30 PM
In my experience the Accubond performs very much like the Partiton.

longdayjake
March 30, 2012, 12:31 PM
Just so you know, the partition is considered old technology. It is a typical jacketed bullet that is held together by a deep cannelure. There are much better bonded bullets nowadays that offer exactly what you are looking for. For example, the nosler accubond. Granted, you are going to pay for it.

snuffy
March 30, 2012, 01:29 PM
Just so you know, the partition is considered old technology. It is a typical jacketed bullet that is held together by a deep cannelure. There are much better bonded bullets nowadays that offer exactly what you are looking for. For example, the nosler accubond. Granted, you are going to pay for it.

Sorry, I can't let this go unchallenged. WRONG! The Nosler partition has a SOLID jacket material partition between the front lead core and the back. They are now made by forging a jacket tube from both ends to form the center partition. They USED to be made on a lathe using a brass rod the was drilled from both ends to form the partition.

http://www.nosler.com/Images/BulletPics/partitionsplit_small.jpg

Usually, the front core expands completely, loosing all the lead. But the partition absolutely prevents the back core from separating.

Yes, it's old technology, but they still work. The up side is they can be made to open a very low velocities, but even if the impact speed is very high from a close range hit, they will still penetrate with the intact back portion.

The accu-bond IS the partition updated by use of modern bonding methods. Plastic tip and boat tail. No partition needed because the jacket is glued to the lead core.

Here's a 30 cal 165 accu-bond nosler fired from my 300 WSM.

http://photos.imageevent.com/jptowns/terrysoops/websize/accu-bond.jpg

http://photos.imageevent.com/jptowns/terrysoops/websize/image1_1.jpg

Dthunter
March 30, 2012, 01:48 PM
The accubond hasnt shot all that well out of my guns so far, but I can be a little demanding on the accuracy results.
As long as they are "SUB MOA" out to 3-400 yards, I am happy. Past 500, normally doesnt concern me much. I have a different load and bullets for long range targets. More suited for the application.

An intersting note,

A fellow by the name of Brian Litz stated in his book "Applied Ballistics" that the nosler boattails were to steep of an angle. It actually is too steep to maximize the efficiency of the boattail. Interesting isnt it?

Probably has very little effect for most all hunting distances.

But real long range (1000+), it might be where it comes into play.

TheCracker
March 30, 2012, 01:48 PM
.224 69 grain accubond for deer and hog hunting would be awesome for those of us that hog hunt with AR's

Skyshot
March 30, 2012, 04:44 PM
Another thumbs up for the Accubond, I'm surprised you can't get them to shoot, but can get ballistic tips to shoot good. In the 9 hunting bolt actions I own the Accubond shoots as good or better than the Ballistic tips. I can say that the partitions are the worst as far as accuracy goes but I still shoot them in .223 and .243 and 35 whelen because they perform good on game. I"m wanting to try the new 90 grn. 6mm accubond in my .243's if I can ever find any.

Dthunter
March 30, 2012, 05:16 PM
Hi skyshot

The ballistic tips shoot great for me normally. Strange isnt it?

As far as the partition, they never shot very accurately out of any of my factory barrels.

Then, as I got the opportunity to make barrels for the various rifles I shoot, they (nosler partitions) shot great.

Then, the factory barrels seemed to shoot them better in my other rifles.

Maybe I just figured out how to get them to shoot in the transition. I was learning allot in a short time back then!
Have fun guys!

DM~
March 30, 2012, 07:15 PM
I've never had any bbl. that wouldn't shoot partitions "more than good enough" accuracy for hunting, and most would shoot near target accuracy.

The partition bullet will out penetrate the accubonds... Perhaps you don't need that much penetration, but i like it for difficult shots, expecially on bigger big game.

DM

41 Mag
March 31, 2012, 03:36 AM
I would wager that the reason you don't see them is length for weight per caliber. They would have be a bit longer to be able to keep the same weights, which might result in throwing the stability off. (Just guessing here.)

That was the reasoning given years ago when they came out with the Ballistic Tips, and I kept bugging them about making one in a 115gr .257. They said it would be too long to stabilize. (guess not, it one of their most popular bullets in that caliber now)

Personally I wished they would simply bring the Solid Base back out, but I figure it is done and gone forever. Something in a 115 or 120gr Accubond in .257 would be awesome, as I think the 110gr is a bit light, and isn't quite up to the task on the upper end of velocity. Granted they hit hard, but there is also usually a mess to clean up afterwords. I prefer the 115gr Partition to them hands down. They both however shoot equally well from my 25-06 using the same load.

longdayjake
March 31, 2012, 10:19 AM
I stand corrected.

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