need opinions on full size 45.


March 31, 2012, 10:52 AM
I'm looking to get a full size 45 to replace my p89 as my nightstand gun. Right now I'm prolly looking at a striker fired polymer frame. Glock 21, M&P 45 or XDM 4.5 45. Which one do you prefer and why? Also what are some others that are good in the same price range?

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March 31, 2012, 11:21 AM
I like the ol' P89:) Any reason why you are replacing it? Upgrading the caliber or did you manage to actually wear one of those bricks out. If it is the latter, I would like to shake your hand as I didn't think it was possible:evil: It's my favorite 9mm in my collection.

In all seriousness, I keep a Glock 21 as my nightstand gun. It lives in a fast safe right on top of my nightstand. I like that capacity, I like how well I shoot it, and I like that it's a basic "point and click" interface should I have to roll out of bed and use it.

I think all of the ones you have mentioned are great guns. I just really like my 21. Night sights are a must, btw.

Welcome to the high road:)

March 31, 2012, 11:35 AM
I have several G21s, had an FNH .45 that I loved, had an M&P .45 that I loved.

The 21s are my favorites for (2) reasons: I found the magazines for it really comparatively cheap, and there are several conversion barrels which work for the G21s: .400 Cor Bon and 10mm are what I have now.

So, it's (G21) chassis is similar to a Toyota or Chevy pick up truck: you can pull the motor you have in it and drop in a 4 cylinder diesel, 8 cylinder diesel, or v-6 gasser. Take your pick.

Here's some background info. on XDs, sourced from Croatia;


Didn't know if you wanted an XD or not.

March 31, 2012, 11:45 AM
My polymer .45 is a Glock 21, becuase when I bought it they were the only polymer .45s in town. I've obviously had it for years, and still love it so I never saw any reason to look at any others.

Walking Dead
March 31, 2012, 01:03 PM
Not sure it helps you but my next .45 will be the FNP45. If you haven't maybe you should check it out.

March 31, 2012, 01:15 PM
Go try them. They all work great. Glock 21 Gen 4 get's my vote. Softest to shoot out of all of them (in my experience) and the trigger is better for me. And as mentioned, the FNP-.45 is also a good one to look into. Really, as long as you can shoot it well and it fit nicely in the hand, it doesn't matter which way you go.

March 31, 2012, 01:26 PM
EAA Witness .45. I've owned 2 of them for the past 13 years and they're both great shooters.
Full-sized, accurate, reliable, and not hard kicking.
They make a nice teeth-hammer, too, if needed.
Great HD gun. Plenty of heft to dampen recoil.

March 31, 2012, 03:07 PM
hk usp.

chris in va
March 31, 2012, 05:31 PM
Didn't care for my 21SF, grip angle was too weird. I much prefer my CZ 97b, but those are out of your price range.

I'd probably look at an FN or something if I had to do the plastic thing again. Really don't understand why all these polymer guns have a square profile, like a brick.

David E
March 31, 2012, 05:35 PM
Funny, the 21-SF is perfect for me.

The XD/XDm and the M&P are good choices, altho without the extended 14 rd mag, the M&P 10 rd capacity trails behind the other two 13 rd choices......if it matters.

March 31, 2012, 05:39 PM
If I was looking at a .45 (aside from a 1911) it would be an FNP USG.

Out of what you mentioned, I would take the Glock 21SF or the M&P 45

April 1, 2012, 07:15 AM
For a house or truck gun I think a G21 would be pretty hard to beat.
I had a chance to shoot a friends Gen 4 recently. What a great shooter.
I canít believe I am saying this but it even had a pretty good trigger for a stock glock

April 1, 2012, 12:42 PM
Glock 21sf. Cheap and reliable with tons of aftermarket parts and accessories. Mine was excellent.

April 1, 2012, 06:30 PM
All three are good guns. What feels best in your hand? While I do shoot a Glock-17. S&W 99 and S&W M&P's I have a distinct preference for the ergonomics and trigger of the S&W's.

I recently purchsed a full size M&P45 and was impressed by it's relaibility and accuracy. I was totally reliable with 185 gr. LSWC, 185 & 230 gr. JHP and 230 gr. FMJ reloads. As a bonus all went into nice tight ten shot groups of 1 1/4 to 2 inches at 50 ft.

April 1, 2012, 08:23 PM
I liked the P89, it produced one of the smallest shot groups at 25/50 yards when we did a comparison shoot among multiple pistols for a slow-fire, semi-auto government sponsored match back in 1995 (That shoot made me a believer of Ruger pistols since).

As to 45 pistols, I have done comparison range tests of G21, XD45 and M&P45. With a trigger job ( done, my M&P45 consistently produces ~1" shot groups at 15 yards off hand. I have owned G21/G30 and M&P45 gets my vote in terms of ergonomics and function - I can easily reach and operate all the controls with BOTH hands.

It replaced G22 as my nightstand pistol (Glock 22 became my wife's nightstand pistol) :D

If you like to shoot lead bullets, unlike my G30 which refused to feed SWC, M&P45 will digest SWC all day long.

April 2, 2012, 08:30 PM
I will prolly keep my p89 for a while and get a 15 rnd clip for it. I also have a Glock 23, but I use it for my ccw. I may have to get a g21 to go with it.

April 2, 2012, 08:51 PM
1911 or xd

April 2, 2012, 10:32 PM
I would hold and shoot some double stacked .45 before you settle on one. They are much bigger than most people realize at first and many can not get a proper purchase on the grip to shoot them well. If it works for you, I think the G21 is a great gun. If the Glock is too big, I LOVE the Ruger P345. Poly frame, 8+1 capacity, Da/Sa like your P89, built like a brick, and very accurate (I belive this was the gun Mas Ayoob used to use both on Duty and in IDPA before switching ove to M&P). And it will be easily $50-100 less than the Glock of XD and less than half of what a decent 1911 will cost, and much more reliable.

April 2, 2012, 10:52 PM
They are all good, I just bought my first plastic combat pistol I tried all the ones you have listed and chose the one that fit my hand the best.

April 3, 2012, 08:24 AM

Accurate as hell. 3 mags. Easy to shoot. Ambidexterous. SA/DA. Reasonable price.

What more could you ask for. That's my go to semi.

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