new gun safe inside house or in the garage?


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thefamcnaj
March 31, 2012, 02:17 PM
I'm about to buy a new bigger gun safe as I've out frown my small one.
I was going to have it bolted down in my garage. However I'm kind of scared to put it in the garage because of possible rust issuse.
I live in upstate South Carolina and it gets pretty humid here in the summers. My current safe is indoors where its nice and air conditioned.
The garage is un ventilated. My question is are the golden rods alone keep me from having rust problems. Well golden rods and keeping the guns oiled up.
I'm willing to put it inside the house but its just real big and I don't have a place for it to look good.

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Freedom_fighter_in_IL
March 31, 2012, 05:08 PM
Golden Rods and I would also put in one of these http://www.google.com/products/catalog?q=Moisture+absorbing+packets&hl=en&prmd=imvns&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.r_qf.,cf.osb&biw=1024&bih=653&um=1&ie=UTF-8&tbm=shop&cid=1690698999710139065&sa=X&ei=p3F3T8KLEeHf0QH1zrmqDQ&ved=0CJMBEPMCMAQ

They work really well and will back up the golden rods. Golden rods work well but they do have their limits. I know Southern humidity and it can be hell on firearms. Just use a good oil, golden rods, and one of those moisture packs and you should be fine.

allaroundhunter
March 31, 2012, 05:14 PM
I would never put a gunsafe in a garage. Not because of rust, but because of security.

Put it into a closet if you have to, but the garage is far from ideal.

glove
March 31, 2012, 05:16 PM
In the house.

Freedom_fighter_in_IL
March 31, 2012, 05:17 PM
An enclosed garage is just as secure as a locked door to your house. If he bolts it to the concrete floor, it's even MORE secure than bolted to the wood floor of a house wouldn't you think? If they are going to break into your garage, and try to crack a safe or remove it entirely, I don't think a little puny front or back door would be any more secure than a garage door.

allaroundhunter
March 31, 2012, 05:22 PM
An enclosed garage is just as secure as a locked door to your house. If he bolts it to the concrete floor, it's even MORE secure than bolted to the wood floor of a house wouldn't you think?

It actually isn't. If you have a safe in your house, you shouldn't bolt it to the wood floor, you should bolt it into the concrete foundation.

It is also more secure in the house because there are more places to hide it. You don't leave your front door open when you leave it, but when you back your car out of the garage it is open long enough for someone to get a good view of what is inside...

Old Time Hunter
March 31, 2012, 05:24 PM
Put it in your climate controlled basement.

gunnutery
March 31, 2012, 05:29 PM
I'd put it in a basement before I put it into a garage. But I'd still opt for the main or second floor inside because it's even more climate controlled. I agree with the security issues also.

hso
March 31, 2012, 05:37 PM
In the house.

thefamcnaj
March 31, 2012, 06:08 PM
I don't think it will fit in the closets in my house. Mabey the master closet, but that's a no go for the wife. My only option in side is my man cave where the current safe is. Only problem with this room is the safe will be out in the open. It can't be hidden in any way unless I make some modifications to the room. Which I could do.
I don't have a basement, my house is on a concrete slab. I would have more options as to how to hide it in the garage, but my alarm system doesn't protect my garage.
It will be bolted down I just have to come up with a way to have it placed and only have the door exsposed. I would like to have the 3 weak sides as protected as possible, after all its only 10 gage steel on the sides and top, but its the best my wallet can do right now. It's a winchester model silverado 38 I believe, it will be here late April, so I have time to make plans

allaroundhunter
March 31, 2012, 06:10 PM
I would say to put it in the man-cave.....

Fremmer
March 31, 2012, 07:09 PM
Man cave. Build something to conceal it.

bannockburn
March 31, 2012, 07:11 PM
Keep it in the house and conceal it as best you can.

oneounceload
March 31, 2012, 07:18 PM
Living here in FL, the golden rod and # big boxes of dessicant work to keep my guns from rusting - along with using silicone socks and a nice wipe down with gun oil

As for the safe, if you can fit it inside, you are better off - bolting steel to concrete causes reaction/corrosion issues without some barrier in between

Nuclear
March 31, 2012, 07:54 PM
When I had my safe bolted to the concrete pad with a wood floor in between, the wood rotted due to the moisture being trapped between the concrete and the steel (this was in South Florida).

I'd find somewhere I could bolt it directly to the concrete floor. Steel in contact with concrete actually corrodes less than exposed steel.

4v50 Gary
March 31, 2012, 08:10 PM
Go to Opsman thread Made in America Gunsafe Question on safes in the assessories forum. I have a post there on security.

Seven High
March 31, 2012, 08:32 PM
It would be nice if a manufacturer would produce a gun safe that looks like an upright freezer or refrigerator. It could be placed in a garage and would not attract any unwanted attention. Great for houses that do not have basements.

Ranger30-06
March 31, 2012, 08:50 PM
Just my input here, but I did construction for plenty long enough to know what I was doing, and I think it's pretty important for me to say that bolting your safe to a concrete foundation isn't nearly as safe as you think.

Concrete acts as a rock, and drilling it out to bolt something into it (even with inserts) is really not that hard to defeat. Get a crowbar and a 6' cast iron pipe and you could pull just about any safe out of a foundation that has had the bolts drilled into it because it will start crumbling with pressure on it.

The much stronger alternative is having the bolt keepers (can't remember the correct name) set into the concrete while it's still wet. Yes, its difficult and very time consuming, but it's truly the only way you'll have an unmovable safe.

My point in all that was bolting a safe to the foundation in your garage is really not a good idea. A good crowbar and a length of thick, cast pipe will make that safe in the garage not nearly as big of a deterrent as you think it will be. The basement is a whole separate beast though. Ever try getting a washing machine down the stairs? You know what I'm talking about then ;)

sharkman
March 31, 2012, 08:59 PM
Garage...

I live in North Carolina, I have my safe in the garage. Use a goldenrod and have had no problems. As for security, I don't use the garage for my car, just yard tools. Door opens just long enough to go in/out, and the safe is covered anyway so no problems with peeping eyes. Side door has two locks and a hook latch. Both it and inside door are hooked into alarm system. Garage door has standard handle/turnbolt that is always latched and vice grips applied to ends so it can't be popped.

Fremmer
March 31, 2012, 09:10 PM
Ask pamela anderson her opinion about garage safes, lol. :what:

denton
March 31, 2012, 09:15 PM
I've got my eye on a new safe, and when I can afford it, it will go in the finished workshop in the back of my garage. I've got a couple of sticks of hardwood that I dadoed out so I could insert a 1/2" x 1" strip of polyethylene. The safe will sit maybe 1/4" above the wood on non-absorptive polyethylene.

I will bolt it to the floor. Yes, I know that can be defeated. So can any defense. But it takes a while, and makes us a less attractive target.

One trick is to get a safe with fat, long bolts on all sides of the door. If you only have bolts on the side opposite the hinges, two guys with pry bars can pop the door in just minutes.

The Lone Haranguer
March 31, 2012, 09:17 PM
Were it mine, I would not think twice about putting it in the air conditioned house over an unventilated garage. Instead of it clashing with the "decor," make it part of the decor. You can store other small valuables and documents in it, too.

cstarr3
March 31, 2012, 09:20 PM
Just my two cents in here;

I think that there are a lot of good reasons to put your safe inside. That doesn't mean that any one of these reasons is enough, but all together, they should steer you towards keeping your safe inside.

Just pointing out the ones that came up in this thread:

I'm assuming you are going to get a big ol' safe, not some sheet metal cabinet. It is usually easier to wheel a safe out a garage door and into a truck than to navigate it through a house, especially if there are stairs. The last safe I moved was about as big as an ordinary safe comes, and it took my two brothers (both 6+ feet and over 220) and myself fifteen minutes to move it the thirty feet needed to get it through the house, out the garage and into the truck. Thieves generally don't usually go around with safe-moving equipment, unless they are specifically after a safe. If you put it in your garage, it is more likely that a passer-by will see it, and be able to make preparations to steal it.

As far as humidity is concerned, given that you use ordinary gun care, such as oils, if you put enough desiccates and dehumidifiers in a safe, you ought to be pretty much safe from everything short of Noah's flood. However, the prospect of rust and theft together might make you want to seriously consider putting your safe inside.

Then there are the odd-ball things. Por ejemplo; more fires start in the garage than other rooms, so if your safe isn't fireproof, that is another reason to keep it inside.

Reasons why you should store it inside are cumulative, so you might want to just keep it inside, anyway.

thefamcnaj
March 31, 2012, 10:37 PM
I'm leaning towards inside. I'm concerned about security, so I like the fact I have the alarm system for the inside of the house. I just have to come up with a way to "hide it" in a 81 sq. Ft. Room.
I am nervous about having two safes in one room. All my eggs in one basket sort of thing.
I'm considering a false wall to go in front of both safes. My current safe(liberty Centurion POS) is useless but I don't want to unbolt it.
I think it being bolted down behind a false wall will be good. If my little set up get defeated I do have a seperate insurance policy for my guns.

exavid
April 1, 2012, 12:18 AM
I installed the safe I have in my garage the same way I did it in my pat three houses. It's bolted into 6" of reinforced concrete with six bolts in the bottom and three into the stem wall in the rear. The safe is set in epoxy to prevent water from coming in contact with the bottom and to make the mounting even more secure. The gap between the safe and floor is too tight to get a saw blade into. Nine 1/2" wedge locks aren't easy to pull out. It would be difficult to equal such a solid mounting in the house, there's only the floor, subfloor and floor joists to fasten to. I really doubt it's practical to depend on hiding a safe inside a house, it's not at all unusual for a thief to prowl the whole house looking for valuables. Also the garage makes it convenient to remove and replace my firearms as I come and go to the range, gun club, etc.

loose noose
April 1, 2012, 01:02 PM
In the house, I live in a very dry climate, and have 3 gun vaults, two of which stay in my "gun Room" with my more expensive firearms in, and one out in my garage well concealed with my less expensive firearms in. I do check all the firearms periodically for rust, but so far I haven't found any.

cal74
April 1, 2012, 01:31 PM
main or second floor inside because it's even more climate controlled

Something that hasn't been mentioned, if there's ever a fire and your safe is on the main/second floor more than likely it's going to take a trip and end up in the basement.

Ideally any safe should be secured to a concrete slab and be on/near an outside wall to try and keep down any extra heat in the case of a fire.



ps: Like the idea of a safe built to look like a fridge

revjen45
April 1, 2012, 02:44 PM
My safe was too heavy to get into the house without hiring a crew of gorillas. If you want to conceal it go to an appliance store and ask for a refrigerator box. Then cut the back out and place it over the safe. +1 on lagging into concrete.

DammitBoy
April 1, 2012, 02:52 PM
all the tools needed to break into your safe are in the garage, just sayin'...

had a friend buy an old coke machine that he hid his gunsafe inside of.

http://i147.photobucket.com/albums/r291/atfsux/GunSafeCokeMachine.jpg

kinda like that

Deltaboy
April 1, 2012, 09:12 PM
The Garage will work I helped Dad install one for a customer about 20 years ago. We built a closet around it and installed a Steel Door and Frame with double dead bolts.

theotherwaldo
April 2, 2012, 09:37 PM
Just bought RSC number 5. All 5 are being bolted to the floor... and the walls... and to each other.

Best that I can do, since my den has a wooden floor and is up on stilts - we got eight inches of water under the house last Friday.

heeler
April 2, 2012, 09:54 PM
I would only place a gun safe in my garage as an absolute last ditch place.
I much prefer the house with it's climate controlled atmosphere.
Living in the humid gulf coast of Texas I have exactly two friends that have been using their garages to place their safes and even though both have used a Golden Rod both have had slight rust issues.
No thanks,my house is where the safe and guns belong.
Cranky wives be damned!!
More security too.

gym
April 2, 2012, 09:55 PM
In the bedroom, in the closet bolted into the concrete floor by a professional, that's where you are likelly to be if someone breaks in when you are home at night, you will probablly never be in the garage. Also I want them in the air conditioning, in FL. And it's too easy to break into a garage, and hard to get an alarm system that won't "false" from wind rain etc. Bad guys know you may have a safe, it's just going to slow them down enough for LEO or you to get back there. Given enough time any safe can be compromised, just ask an old time safecracker. I would never consider the garage for a second in FL. You would be better off in the living room or office, if the bedrooms don't suit you. Just build it into the furniture or a closet. I learned a long time ago weight means nothing "ask a moving man" and concrete can be ripped up quick with a sledge hammer and cut with a torch if you have rebarb or metal rods. If they want it they will get it if you give them enough time. Dogs and alarms are a big help.

Safetychain
April 3, 2012, 12:19 AM
My safe is in the garage in the SC lowcountry. The humidity is a beast here. Due to concern for the humidity, I wanted to have it in the house and the wife more or less said that ugly black thing will never go in her house. So we compromised. It didn't go in the house. My homemade goldenrod along with oil keeps back the rust, barely. Security wise, I think the garage is probably best in my case because of the concrete floor and all the clutter around it. It took my wife a few years to even realize where it was. A few additional personally added touches: A flash bulb and a very loud alarm bell triggered by the door opening before the lock levers clear. Those nearly gave me a heart attack when it malfunctioned early on and made me fall over a lawnmower. A motion triggered security camera is in the planning stage also. My safe is bolted down to the concrete floor with an additional 6-5/8" lag bolts into the two wooden wall studs. This could still be defeated but it would take a LONG and LOUD concerted effort to do so. Also realize that 99.9% of the time it is a kid/kids/druggies that are not very high on planning that make a quick grab and run. I can't imagine any nitwit sticking around when a flash nearly blinds you and a 150 db cargo crane bell is going off. And nothing, no matter how good your safe is hidden or bolted down or hard to open will ever stop a professional thief. And professional thieves normally don't break into houses for a few guns.

exavid
April 3, 2012, 01:24 AM
Having the safe in the garage isn't a problem if I need a gun in a hurry because I've either got one in my pocket or on my nightstand when I'm in bed. I wouldn't want to rely on getting a firearm out of a safe if I needed it in a hurry no matter where the safe is.

allaroundhunter
April 3, 2012, 02:03 AM
Living in the humid gulf coast of Texas I have exactly two friends that have been using their garages to place their safes and even though both have used a Golden Rod both have had slight rust issues.

Same here, humid coastal Texas can be a.......pain

Old Time Hunter
April 3, 2012, 09:33 AM
In the basement, in the gun room:

http://i53.photobucket.com/albums/g48/OTH_2006/HobbyRoom3.jpg

Kevin Rohrer
April 3, 2012, 09:53 AM
Get it in the basement and keep the basement climate-controlled. No rust and more security.

This is a no-brainer.

Owen Sparks
April 3, 2012, 09:59 AM
The problem with the garage is that when you have a cold night and the morning warms too fast it will cause the cold steel to sweat like an ice tea glass.
It is not the temperature or humidity that harms metal, it is a rapid CHANGE in temperature because dense metal can not warm as fast as the surrounding air does and that can cause serious condinsation and rust.

thorazine
April 3, 2012, 06:53 PM
new gun safe inside house or in the garage?

Put the decoy safe loaded with bricks in the garage and the real one inside the house. ;)

thorazine
April 3, 2012, 06:55 PM
had a friend buy an old coke machine that he hid his gunsafe inside of.

That is actually a really cool idea!

I like the concept of having a large heavy duty safe that doesn't look like a safe.


Perhaps "Diaper Changing Station 5000" would deter people from putting their hands on it?

BCRider
April 3, 2012, 08:11 PM
Unless you know that your garage can be decently climate controlled I'd find room for it inside the house.

It's not only the issue of humidity. THere's also the issue of heat and drying of the wood parts that are on the guns. I've seen poorly or non-insulated garages reach stifling temperatures in the summer when closed up. In such conditions the relative humidity drops to desert like values and the moisture is drawn from the wood throughout the garage. You could easily find that the stocks end up warping or even splitting from this abuse.

ritepath
April 3, 2012, 09:54 PM
Mines been in the garage 6 years now. Set on a 3/4 inch piece of mining belt and bolted to the floor. Zero rust issues to date... Beside my safe is a 7 foot Oak cabinet and draped over the safe is an American flag all of this facing perpendicular to the main road. People can come in the house from the garage and never have any idea it's there.

That being said I'm getting tired of having to go out in the garage to get into the safe. I believe it's time to be moved to the Bedroom.

Pat M
April 4, 2012, 12:42 AM
I bought my gun safe when I was living in apartments. A friend and I had a heck of a time getting it down into my Mom's basement. Now that I have my own home, it's still in my Mom's basement. I'm not looking forward to trying to move it again :(

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