Not in love with my new Sig P220...


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marksman13
April 1, 2012, 01:24 PM
I bought this pistol a couple weeks ago. It had been on my bucket list since I was in high school. I bought it solely for that reason. Long story short, I've been shooting Glocks for a long time, and I just can't hit anything with this P220. Rounds are impacting about 10" low and 4" left of my point of aim at 15 yards! Groups average around 4" at that same distance. I can pick up my Glock 21 and make one ragged hole groups at the same difference. My Glock 17 is the same way, as is my Browning BuckMark.

I'm not saying the P220 is inaccurate. I just don't think it is the gun for me. I have to admit that I'm a little heart broken because I have wanted this gun for so long and it was so expensive.

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MikeJackmin
April 1, 2012, 05:56 PM
I've had the same experience with women, on occasion...

Just let it go, and focus on the ones that are right for you. Sigs hold their value pretty well, you'll do all right.

allaroundhunter
April 1, 2012, 06:04 PM
It is a completely different grip angle and trigger. Your problem will either take some practice time to get used to it (the route I would take) or a "for sale" ad to fix...

marksman13
April 1, 2012, 06:12 PM
I don't think I'll sell it. It will probably just become a safe queen and something to pass down to my kids one day.

GLI45
April 1, 2012, 06:28 PM
I had the same experience with a 220. It wasn't the gun it was the shooter. As a long term 1911 junkie I decided to get something different and the reputation and quality of Sig sold me. It was an excellent pistol, but I could not get used to the trigger. Compared to my STIs it felt like I was squeezing a sponge. Too bad because I really wanted to like the pistol. Several guys in the league I shoot in use Sigs so I know they are good guns. I sold it after about 1000 rounds for almost 80% of the original price...and bought another 1911.

allaroundhunter
April 1, 2012, 06:40 PM
I don't think I'll sell it. It will probably just become a safe queen and something to pass down to my kids one day.

Good choice, heck, maybe at some point you will decide that you have had enough of the tupperware and will spend more time getting used to the Sig :)

WinThePennant
April 1, 2012, 07:27 PM
Remember that Sig uses combat sights. It isn't unusual for people to shoot low with a Sig.

http://www.sigsauer.com/customerservice/klunker.aspx

marksman13
April 1, 2012, 07:30 PM
WinThePennant, I did not know that and that will explain part of my issue. I prefer a 6 o'clock hold on all of my open sight firearms.

Hastings
April 1, 2012, 07:45 PM
I had a 220 for a while. I wanted to love it, but it just didn't work for me. Sigs have always felt too top-heavy to me. The 220 was reliable, accurate, and looked nice, but it never felt right in my hands. I ended up selling it an getting a G21sf. I don't keep guns I don't like or don't shoot. It just wasn't my flavor.

If you shoot well with Glocks, why bother going to a Sig? My G21sf is just as accurate as my 220 was, feeds anything I load in the mag (unlike the Sig) and cost about half the price of the Sig. Go with what you like, and shoot well with. Cross the Sig off the bucket list, sell it, and buy one or two guns that work better for you.

Good luck

marksman13
April 1, 2012, 08:11 PM
I don't know how much this P220 would sell for in my local market. The sticker on it was $925.00 when I bought it. It's had 150 rounds through it and would come with a Blackhawk Serpa II concealed carry holster. Would it be unreasonable to ask $875 for it IF I decide to sell it?

9mmepiphany
April 1, 2012, 08:58 PM
A lot would depend on the model of 220 you have and how available they are in your area.

Out here, a used all stainless 220 can be had for about $700-750, new ones run about $1k

marksman13
April 1, 2012, 09:06 PM
It's a standard P220 with rail and night sights. I would say they are fairly uncommon. Lit's if dealers will order them, but not many will stock them. I think that may say something about their popularity and also their price point in a state with an economy like Mississippi's.

coalman
April 1, 2012, 10:25 PM
Likely the shooter indeed. IMO, for most, the more platforms a person owns the less proficient they become in each. Most folks simply cannot shoot enough to be as proficient with many as they'd be with few. I had the same issue trying to include the Sig in my stable. I decided it was not worth it. Sigs are great guns though and a P226 may still be in my future.

WinThePennant
April 1, 2012, 11:15 PM
WinThePennant, I did not know that and that will explain part of my issue. I prefer a 6 o'clock hold on all of my open sight firearms.
You can call Sig and get a part that will adjust the sight so that you can shoot it at the 6 o'clock position. My understanding is that they get those calls all the time.

1858
April 1, 2012, 11:23 PM
Weird!! What number front and rear sights do you have on that SIG and what ammunition were you shooting? SIGs leave the factory to shoot to POA at 25 yards (not sure of ammunition) but all of my SIGs seem to shoot to POA at 15 yards too. I just sold a P220 to a coworker and he's thrilled with it. That one also shoots to POA at 15 yards. We shot a few hundred rounds of Golden Saber today through my P239 and P225 and his P220 and we couldn't be happier. 100% reliability and excellent accuracy. There's a brake rotor out at 52 yards and I had to hold at 12 o'clock with my 9mm pistols to make consistent hits but a center hold worked just fine with the P220.

marksman13
April 1, 2012, 11:30 PM
1858, my gun has Sig factory night sights. Sig's website says they are adjusted for a direct hold on target. My Glocks, however, shoot to P.O.A. with my standard 6 o'clock hold.

trusted user
April 1, 2012, 11:42 PM
I had 9 or 10 220's and got pretty good at noticing the little things that indicated if it was an accurate specimen. My choice to hang on to the last best one I ever had was driven by use... why did I have it, what was its intended use, was it sufficient? I tend not to keep a gun around if it does not fill a useful niche.
Honestly, I would clean it, oil it and go back out and master it shooting bullseyes. I'd take my time and verify poa/poi with ball ammo then the same with sd ammo. I'd use the the trigger in sa only then work into the da first shot after figuring out what it is doing.
Your experience may be technique, may not be but after wanting a mercedes for so long go get used to it. Four or five hundred more rounds through it won't effect value, you'll just get better and perhaps appreciate the platform more. There are many positives to that gun, and there are many negatives depending upon how you are going to use it. The biggest consistent mistake I have made with guns I flipped was not spending more time with them... especially the ones that functioned flawlessly.

1858
April 1, 2012, 11:47 PM
1858, my gun has Sig factory night sights. Sig's website says they are adjusted for a direct hold on target.

I have the SIG factory Meprolight night sights on my P220 Combat and Carry. The front sight on the Carry is clearly marked 6 but the front sight on the Combat isn't stamped but P220s usually come with a 6. You can easily drift the rear sight to correct for the windage error and you could possibly swap out the front and/or rear sights to raise the POI. I've owned P220s since '93 and still consider them among the best pistols on the planet and have never had issues either with accuracy or reliability with the eight I've owned (still have six with plans for another two).

basicblur
April 1, 2012, 11:55 PM
Maybe page 4 of the attachment at this post (http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?p=6381468#post6381468) will help you?

Never hurts to download and save it!

SGW42
April 2, 2012, 12:26 AM
Haha, I did not know that about Sig's sights! I've actually had the same problem with my own P220 (having cut my teeth on a Ruger Mark II) and I was chalking it up to my grip and lack of practice. I can't wait to get back to the range and try the proper sight picture out.

What other manufacturers use that picture, or is that about standard for the three dot sights?

Bovice
April 2, 2012, 01:02 AM
For a fixed sight SIG, your front sight should cover the bullseye. Don't lollipop it or you'll shoot low.

They are not all like that. But stick with whatever you are used to.

1SOW
April 2, 2012, 01:15 AM
That's one of the reasons I don't like 3-dot sights.

JMO: Covering up a target with the sights is not my idea of a good sight pic.
My older 239 has Dot-the-"I" sights and also shoots low with the top of the sights level on the POA. :-(

allaroundhunter
April 2, 2012, 10:33 AM
That's one of the reasons I don't like 3-dot sights.

The Sig does not require a 12 o'clock hold because it uses 3-dot sight, it is because that is how they are engineered. You can have 3-dot sights that use a 6 o'clock hold as well. And as you have found out, regardless of the sight system that Sig has on the gun, it still uses a combat sight picture.

JDGray
April 2, 2012, 07:12 PM
I also have a new 220, identical to yours, and it did not shoot well for me until after 200rds went through it. It now shoots one hole groups at 25', like my 1911 does. You do have to hold high on all sigs as mentioned. The center of the front sight dot, is the desired poi. I was getting ready to sell mine too,and was disappointed as well, but that all changed with some trigger time:)

1SOW
April 2, 2012, 07:32 PM
Handheld weapons I shot in the military had to be held POA=POI at the top of the level sights. M-16, M-1 Carbine and Beretta 9mm. Maybe things have changed since then.
I still prefer being able to clearly see my POI regardless of the distance or target size and type.
"Bullseye" shooting is another animal all together for sight pic. Mil dot is also another exception.
But that's just old stubborn me.

marksman13
April 2, 2012, 08:35 PM
I'll probably push a few more rounds through it before I decide to sell/trade it.

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