''cheap'' Howdah-style side-by-side pistol


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BHP FAN
April 2, 2012, 12:03 AM
OK, I don't want to hijack the very interesting ''BP Defensive Pistol Thread'', but I have always wanted a Howdah-style side-by-side pistol ...I've had a .36 Corsair double, and currently have the .44 version of that fine pistola, but it's relativly small bore, and not really the same thing. on the other hand, I feel like $800.00 for a 20 guage ''sawed off'' is a bit much. Any ideas?

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Jaymo
April 2, 2012, 12:18 AM
I think Middlesex has the Indian made Howdah pistols for a lot less than the Pedersoli.

BHP FAN
April 2, 2012, 03:26 AM
thanks Jaymo!

tom e gun
April 2, 2012, 05:01 AM
i just found a link to one possibly :)
http://www.middlesexvillagetrading.com/PDBC.SHTML

Pete D.
April 2, 2012, 08:11 AM
About the Middlesex pistol. I have one. At this point, I like it and it is a hoot to shoot.
That being said......it has taken a lot of work to get to "this point".
Bottom line...when I got the gun, it had, absolutely and finally, the worst trigger that I have ever tried to pull. It had to be in the 30-40 lbs category. I could not fire it with one hand; I could barely get the triggers pulled with two fingers on.
I had to completely dismantle both locks and then file the relevant springs, and then sand and polish every part and bearing surface. Essentially, I rebuilt the locks.
Now the triggers are at about 10 lbs and the gun is shootable.
I don't know that every Howdah that MVTC sells is as I have described; mine certainly was.
Note: It is also a smaller gun - shorter barrels - than the Pedersoli.
Pete

JohnnyCremains
April 2, 2012, 12:53 PM
Cabelas sells them currently:

http://www.cabelas.com/product/Davide-Pedersoli-Howdah-Hunter-20-GA-Pistol/740261.uts?Ntk=AllProducts&searchPath=%2Fcatalog%2Fsearch.cmd%3Fform_state%3DsearchForm%26N%3D0%26fsch%3Dtrue%26Ntk%3DAllProducts%26Ntt%3DHowdah%26WTz_l%3DHeader%253BSearch-All%2BProducts%26x%3D0%26y%3D0&Ntt=Howdah&WTz_l=Header%3BSearch-All+Products

BHP FAN
April 2, 2012, 04:14 PM
thanks, guys, maybe I'll stick with my. 44 for now...it's the functional equivilant to a legal ''sawed off'' .410, anyhow.

kBob
April 2, 2012, 05:10 PM
BHP Fan,

I know this is odd coming from me, but.......

where's the picture???

Now that my "good" camera is working I find that the piece of Dell laptop I am using does not have a port for its type of memory card.

Not posting myself however in no way prevents me from venting upon others that do not.

Besides I have only seen them in adds in the way back and always wondered what they were like.

-kBob

wittzo
April 2, 2012, 10:21 PM
My howdah from middlesex has a bad trigger, but not that bad.
$350 from middlesex versus $600-700 from Pedersoli?
My blunderbus and my ship's carbine from middlesex have decent trigger pulls even compared to my italian repros.

Busyhands94
April 2, 2012, 10:43 PM
Don't forget, Dixie Gun Works has the Howdah in kit form!
http://www.dixiegunworks.com/default.php?cPath=22_162_194&page=1&sort=3a
It costs a bit less than the completed pistol, sort it by price and it's at the bottom of the page!

BE Wild Willy
April 3, 2012, 12:42 AM
Seen this in the classifieds over on the MLF. I know it's only a .44, but kinda neat.

http://www.muzzleloadingforum.com/pp-classifieds/showproduct.php/product/7732/cat/9

BHP FAN
April 3, 2012, 12:50 AM
That is exactly what I have.

BE Wild Willy
April 3, 2012, 02:15 AM
That is exactly what I have.

Now kbob can see...

BHP FAN
April 3, 2012, 02:38 AM
thanks!

wittzo
April 3, 2012, 12:50 PM
There's a difference between a howdah and a double barreled pistol. If it's .50" or larger, it can be a howdah.
The original howdah guns were cut-down large bore safari guns. At first local craftsmen cut down old guns, then parker and h&h made and sold them. The ones that went to india were called howdah guns, the ones that went to africa were cheetah guns.

ZZZ
April 3, 2012, 04:50 PM
I saw the howdah in Cabela's bargin cave for half of what they sold for new. I'm guessing there was a lot of buyer's remorse, because at one point there was half a dozen of them there.

desidog
April 3, 2012, 06:03 PM
^haha. It's almost tax time....

/I'm saving my ducats.

Plastikosmd
April 3, 2012, 07:07 PM
here are a couple pics of my howdah, 69 caliber or so

http://i76.photobucket.com/albums/j5/plastikosmd/7424b099.jpg
http://i76.photobucket.com/albums/j5/plastikosmd/d6c6193b.jpg
http://i76.photobucket.com/albums/j5/plastikosmd/a8b77678.jpg
http://i76.photobucket.com/albums/j5/plastikosmd/df5861b4.jpg

kBob
April 3, 2012, 07:42 PM
fancier than I recalled.

Those folks over there want more money than folks here abouts it seems.

-kBob

BHP FAN
April 4, 2012, 04:18 AM
cheetahs never prosper.

wittzo
April 4, 2012, 05:13 AM
That is sweet looking, Plastikos. :)

Boom-stick
April 4, 2012, 08:59 AM
I *need* a howdah pistol... I can only find Pedersoli's over here in the UK and they are a 'tad' expensive... at round 600 ($1000) :(

BHP FAN
April 7, 2012, 03:59 PM
Ugh....they ain't much cheaper, here!

Busyhands94
April 7, 2012, 09:22 PM
If you wanted a single shot version you could ream out the rifling on a Kentucky pistol, remove the rear sight, and file the front sight to be more like a bead! I'd imagine that sort of thing would be excellent for small game if you loaded it with birdshot! It would be quite fun to own a legal sawnoff shotgun! One of the many things I like about blackpowder is the fact I can have what is essentially a short barreled shotgun with no paperwork at all. :)

Levi

BlackNet
April 8, 2012, 06:15 PM
I had similar questions a few years back and this is how my project ended up. I am real happy with it.

http://wetlands.simplyaquatics.com/d/32360-4/IMG_0057.JPG

http://wetlands.simplyaquatics.com/d/32348-4/IMG_0059.JPG

Took this last year on the back porch of my new house. It's a kit that I made up a few years back. I looked at many flavors and price ranges before settling on this.

My suggestion would be to look at QUALITY instead of PRICE. There in you will find the true reflection of muzzle loaders.

hang fire
April 8, 2012, 07:43 PM
In pictures at link: The geometry of the hammers to nipples is absolutely horrible. The muzzles of the barrels look as though finished with a hand held grinder. The finish of the wood is atrocious.

Other than that, I would pay the grand sum of 25 bucks for it.

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