? for people from Alaska


PDA






WayBeau
April 2, 2012, 09:34 AM
A much removed family member is moving to Fairbanks in the very near future. Her new husband is in the Army and will be stationed there. This past weekend she made the comment, and was dead serious about it, that it's not safe to leave your house without some sort of firearm because of the likelihood of a bear encounter. :what:

So anyone from Alaska, do you and your entire family leave the house 'packing heat';) because of the bears up there? I did laugh out loud when I heard it, but I thought I'd ask around. I've never been to Fairbanks, or even Alaska, but this seems a little far fetched to me. OK, a lot far fetched.

If you enjoyed reading about "? for people from Alaska" here in TheHighRoad.org archive, you'll LOVE our community. Come join TheHighRoad.org today for the full version!
GooseGestapo
April 2, 2012, 10:35 AM
A bit far-fetched. I've had several family members who've lived in both the Anchorage area (Airforce base) and Fairbanks (Ft. Greely) area.

You don't leave garbage lying around, you don't leave garbage dumpsters uncovered, and you don't go wandering out through the countryside w/o giving some consideration to the bears. However, after the freeze up in ~November, till thaw in late April-early May, the bears are a non-factor. Kinda like the mosquitos........Mostly just a very annoying pest.... seasonally.

DM~
April 2, 2012, 11:42 AM
After having lived 25 years in Alaska, i can say, you will get stomped by a moose by your house, quicker than you will get attacked by any bear...

"Packing heat" in Fairbanks means, you better dress warm in the winter!! ha ha ha

DM

WayBeau
April 2, 2012, 12:20 PM
After having lived 25 years in Alaska, i can say, you will get stomped by a moose by your house, quicker than you will get attacked by any bear...

"Packing heat" in Fairbanks means, you better dress warm in the winter!! ha ha ha

DM

That's kind of what I was thinking.

H&Hhunter
April 2, 2012, 02:21 PM
I lived in Fairbanks for a while. I never ever saw a bear in town. I did run into a few drunken lunatics down on Cushman St though.

THowie
April 2, 2012, 02:49 PM
I've only visited Fairbanks, but I have a few friends in that general area, and they are anti-guns (I know, I know, how are we still friends...). They've never had a bear encounter. I think your friend might just be a little paranoid.

WayBeau
April 2, 2012, 03:01 PM
I think your friend might just be a little paranoid.

Or a lot stupid. Either one, probably both. :rolleyes:

jmr40
April 2, 2012, 05:27 PM
Haven't made it to Alaska yet, but most of my camping gear has. I've known several who have made fishing trips there, and one borrowed much of my gear for the trip. They tell me that open carry of large bore revolvers is much more common, even in larger towns, than you normally see in other places.

H&Hhunter
April 2, 2012, 05:43 PM
They tell me that open carry of large bore revolvers is much more common, even in larger towns, than you normally see in other places.

I don't ever remember seeing anybody open carrying a large bore revolver in towns the size of Fairbanks or Anchorage. Not saying it isn't done just that not everybody or even that many folks are doing it.

Spend some actual time up there THEN come on back and post your first hand information. Big towns like Fairbanks aren't as wild and wooly as some lower 48 folks try to make them out as.

paintballdude902
April 2, 2012, 06:19 PM
id be much more worried about a moose than a bear

caribou
April 2, 2012, 06:34 PM
I live hundreds of miles from a City, and we have Bears all around.

Bears do not like people or noise, you will never find them near a city.

moose are adifferent sort. Pushy, bossy territorial, even in a downtown anchorage or FBX front yard. They fear no human, and love useing the roads as easy walk ways too, knowing cars and such will keep Bears off their babys. When I mined Gold inthe 80's we had several mom/calfs go to our pits and hang out, as Bears woulnt come around the eqipment.


In big citys hitting a Moose on the road with yer car is most likely, but do carry conceled, anyone can ("vermont CC laws" here) 'Cause of Human 'Bears" that will get ya........

.338-06
April 2, 2012, 08:30 PM
Bears do not like people or noise, you will never find them near a city.

Stranger, I live in Anchorage and we have Brownies come down along the creeks in the summer and I know a woman who lives off O'Malley Rd. who watched a bear take down a moose calf on her lawn.

That said, I've lived here 34 years and have not had a 'chance' encounter with a Brownie. I've surprised Blackies on garbage, but no Browns.

I'd say you'd be more likely attacked by a people than a bear stepping outside your door.

caribou
April 3, 2012, 12:10 AM
"I live in Anchorage and we have Brownies come down along the creeks in the summer and I know a woman who lives off O'Mally Rd. who watched a bear take down a moose calf on her lawn."

Thats the first Brown Ive heard of doing such, and I have no doubt at all its true, especcially on the fringe of Anch, but its definitly the exception to the rule. Probly a few more that are not even reported, as they pass along.

My Mom amd Bro in Sitka a couple years back had Black Bears showing up on the fring of town ,it was a bad berry/salmon summer, attracted by the trash, but not in the city its self.

Ive never heard of a Brown entering a Village or town up this way, but a Black Bear at the dump isnt unusal.

Both places, and FBX has 'wilderness' as a close backyard.

Alaska444
April 3, 2012, 01:07 AM
We lived at the top of O'Malley Road in the mid 1960's. As a kid, I didn't realize how much we were in the boonies, just seemed like home to me. We had a lot of moose walking up and down the road and seeing them as we were waiting for the school bus was pretty common.

Never saw a bear in town even in those days and we lived in Alaska for 10 years altogether.

The only bear encounter I was personally involved with was outside of Fairbanks where a black bear entered our camp and took the days catch of rabbits. My dad put his in water, the other man hunting, did not. My dad kept his, the other did not, but the bear came up and brushed up against our umbrella tent. My dad shouted and I still remember waking up and seeing the profile of a bear standing up against the tent in the midnight sun. I was only 3 at the time, but I have always had the image my whole life. Perhaps that is where I get my own bear paranoia, but oh well, how many people have been 2 feet away from a bear in the wild with only a thin sheet of canvas between.

One of my friends that lived at the very top of the hill on O'Malley Road was mauled at the age of 14 by a grizzly. He fought off this bear with a walking stick and saved his friends life who got the worse end of the attack. Larry Kaniut wrote up this in one of his books in a chapter called slingshot bear. The first thing Mike did was shoot it with a slingshot. He happened by chance to get the walking stick and hit it on the head as hard as he could. That saved his life and his friends. Once again, he was only 14 at the time. Sadly, he died several years later off of Soldotna in a fishing accident when he was about 30. One of his younger brothers later was an Iditarod rookie of the year.

http://books.google.com/books?id=HHH5Zt5SwvgC&pg=PA61&lpg=PA61&dq=Mike+Moerlein+told+Kaniut&source=bl&ots=O3RHRCxSwq&sig=kkM7W-MhRjgCU2JqHR-tLNQC9mc&hl=en&sa=X&ei=Amf9Tt6CDJLUiALch7WRDQ&ved=0CB4Q6AEwAA#v=onepage&q&f=false

.338-06
April 3, 2012, 01:11 AM
Ive never heard of a Brown entering a Village or town up this way, but a Black Bear at the dump isnt unusal

That's cause bears are smart and they know what'll happen if they enter a village. BANG! BANG! BANG!

That's against the LAW in Anchorage. When I was a kid it was "Shoot, shovel and shut up" and the bears stayed away.

DM~
April 3, 2012, 10:58 AM
That's cause bears are smart and they know what'll happen if they enter a village. BANG! BANG! BANG!

That's against the LAW in Anchorage. When I was a kid it was "Shoot, shovel and shut up" and the bears stayed away.

Generally EVERYTHING is shot off anywhere near a village. My buddy was born/raised in a village, and he and his dad would have to go at least 10 miles up river to find a moose to shoot.

The villages i've been in/around, everything was shot off as soon as it poked it's nose out of the brush! I've personally seen this myself.

One time i saw the villagers get on a BLM track vechile, and proceeded to shoot off it, into the herd of caribou with 30-30's and .223's (mostly mini 14's) wounding several and dropping 7 or 8. They got the ones that dropped and wasn't too concerned with those that ran off, even though a couple looked gut shot to me. I could tell you many stories like that one!

I've seen brown bears in Kenai, Soldotna, close to Homer and have friends who have video of them in Anchorage. I took a pict of a brown bear looking into the window of a house i was in, just outside Kenai.

DM

Sheepdog1968
April 3, 2012, 12:42 PM
It seems like a reasonable idea to carry a firearm.

dprice3844444
April 3, 2012, 01:04 PM
http://www.magnumresearch.com/news_detail.asp?story=article_bfr45_70.asp

Alaskan
April 3, 2012, 05:06 PM
I live outside of Sterling, AK, on the edge of the Kenai National Wildlife Refuge.

In the 21 years I have lived here, I have had 4 bear encounters. Three in the woods and one on my front porch.

The three in the woods I was expecting to see a bear. On my front porch......Not so much.

I opened the door to go to work and a 9 ft brown bear was licking the floor of my arctic entry. I slammed the door, locked it and ran for the shotgun. I looked out the window to see the bear hightailing it for the woods. I slowly opened the door with the gun ready to go. Evidently I wasn't the only one with the excrement scared out of them because there was a pile of it on the steps. I went back in the house and changed my shorts and went to work.

Turns out my son had spilled some of his bear bait scent on the porch and didn't due the greatest job of cleaning it up.

I carry every day. Bears are not the only thing to worry about.

caribou
April 3, 2012, 07:32 PM
The "Edge" of town is where the Wild starts.

AK is twice the size of Texas, there are, incidently MANY Villages, DM~, where were you?

Alaska is the size of Europe, and the word "Native' is on par with 'European', as there are many distinct tribes/nations here, and like Europe, Germans are NOT French, who are not Polish, ect......

Here, Moose come into town, we dont have to go a mile before weve seen 10, easily, but the catch to that is that 99% of Inupiaq Eskimo (a distincely differing tribe than Y'upik to the south or ChukChi on the Siberian side), do not hunt Moose. Caribou is far too plentyfull, and usefull hides, antler, bones, meat. Moose are kinda 'reserved' for when th emigration doesnt come through this way.
I wish the gov would let us drive tracked vehicles, especcially theirs :D......and the Caribou not run off when a motor approches, they must have some dumb Caribou to be in 30-30, .223 range and the vehivcle running.........what happend when you turned them in? Im sure you diidnt cover for 'em......folks here would put a stop to wasting resources pretty quick.

Did it happen? Im sure it did, especcially with young guys who have no guidence.

Is it common, No.

Folks here wont let others waste what they rely on.

I live in a village, and I took this little vid about 200 yards from my house, at the edge of town just last evening, about 11Pm carrying back a pack full of Rabbits............also shows what happens when i try a fellas rifle for the first time ~~LOL!!~~
klik it, its a vid.

http://i53.photobucket.com/albums/g71/edwardhailstone/th_Rabbits7.jpg (http://s53.photobucket.com/albums/g71/edwardhailstone/?action=view&current=Rabbits7.mp4)

paintballdude902
April 3, 2012, 08:38 PM
funny, i have that same image except with a bison while camping in yellowstone when i was 5. and the it was more like 6 am for us

Feanor
April 4, 2012, 01:17 AM
I lived in the Goldstream valley up Fairbanks way for 17 years, I saw Gizzlies once or twice each season, but never in Fairbanks. A much bigger problem in both Fairbanks & Anchorage, happens to be Moose. I had no running water, I lived right on the river, and had a privy. I got caught once between a cow & her calf during a privy run, it's not as funny as it sounds, at least it wasn't at the time.

Another area of genuine concern in Fairbanks(not so much in Anchorage)when I lived in the Goldstream, were roving packs of basically, feral dogs! More then a few Fairbanksans have been the victim of these roving packs of dogs, I recall a half dozen deaths or so.

caribou
April 4, 2012, 06:02 AM
My Fatherinlaw called Ferral Dogs "The Ultimate disaster" and in days of old if a team got away from a man and went ferral, unlike Woves, they had no fear what so ever of Men, and new the trails to various camps and would raid and eat everything there, then move on.

Theres no Old Old eskimo Storys about Wolf attacks, none at all, but Children being torn apart and eaten or women out working or Folks traveling on foot and being overtaken on the trail for no better outcome, by a pack of ferral dogs is a common theme.....Rabid Fox, Wolf and Dogs were problems as well, and still are, even today.

In this Arctic Village we shoot any loose dog right in town, no questions asked and a 40$ check from the City Office apon showing the City Clerk.

I think both Anch and Fbx had alotta stray dogs, Ive seen quite a few whle in Town, come to think of it.

bhhacker
April 4, 2012, 03:26 PM
Ive been working in Juneau Seasonally for the past 4 years. Ive had a couple encounters with black bears. One i woke up at 4am to work, and padded to the kitchen and got some milk. i felt eyes on me and looked through my window to see a black bear pressed up against it staring at me!


I grabbed my girlfriends 357 and went to work. Wasnt sure if it was window shopping or not :P

Alaska444
April 4, 2012, 05:27 PM
Interesting about the feral dogs. In Spokane WA area about a year ago, a pack of dogs was killing live stock and terrorizing the country north of the city.

http://www.newsytype.com/7622-wild-dogs/

allaroundhunter
April 4, 2012, 09:09 PM
I have never been to Alaska, but I know that feral dogs in Texas can be vicious. Out on the farm we run across them almost weekly, and no one ever goes out without at least carrying a handgun, if on an ATV or vehicle a shotgun or AR is taken as well.

However, we do not get paid $40 for each one we shoot :scrutiny:

Cosmoline
April 4, 2012, 09:21 PM
Alaska is big. Really really big. What's true in one part is not true in another. So generalizations are almost useless.

For the area you're talking about--the Fairbanks area and bases--there's no need to be too bearanoid. There may be other reasons to carry, of course.

Never saw a bear in town even in those days and we lived in Alaska for 10 years altogether.

That's what I hear from the old timers. Used to be the bear were cleared out of towns, but now they're back big time. Black ones in Anchorage are like squirrel. Incredibly thick on the ground. I ran into a pile of five of them at once on the trail just outside of town a few summers back. Not sure how common they are in Fairbanks. But oddly you are more likely to be stumbling over bear in Anchorage than you are in Emmonak. In the bush they still know how to run them off with a "belly ache."

Sometimes, too there are known problem bear. You just have to be aware of the local conditions. Like Caribou said even feral dogs can be a problem locally. Or sometimes during bad winters the wolf packs will start pressing close to town and grab up fido.

Absent really extraordinary circumstances I'd advise NOT to shoot charging moose. They may charge you but they're basically the state's livestock. And everybody ends up getting charged at some point. It's memorable. Actually violent stompings are rare. Just get out of their way. It's part of living here and you don't want to go to prison for poaching a moose.

Overall you just need to keep it in perspective. If you're out and about in the state the WATER is orders of magnitude more dangerous than all the bear put together with wolves riding them into battle. Fall off the boat and you could die at once from the shock of cold. Try to wade across a fast stream using the wrong methods and you could find your legs instantly numb and pushed out from under you. Stand up in a canoe and you could get your head knocked in by a tree branch. Drink a few too many while relaxing, trip and that's it. All these things have happened, some happen every single year like clockwork. About fifty deaths every year with lots more close calls.

Alaska444
April 5, 2012, 12:35 AM
I have seen a lot on the animal control of wild animals in the Anchorage area. They appear to give more rights to the animals than to the people inside the city limits. I find that a bit crazy and dangerous. We ran around the woods and areas at the top of O'Malley road in the mid 1960's and never once considered bears. They just didn't want any part of us. Our back yard was a cleared out area about 75 yards and then nothing but deep, thick woods for miles on end.

Never once in all that time did we ever have a bear visit our yard. Moose, yes, bear no. Any bears in our yard would have been shot on sight and no game warden would have come visiting afterwards.

I believe that Anchorage has created its own bear problem with poor insight into bears and people. Where people live, bears don't belong any longer. Simple as that. Once bears and other animals become habituated to people, they lose all of there fear of us which has been documented as a cause in a large number of bear attacks.

I believe that this is simply the wrong approach to handling wild animals inside the city limits.

Carne Frio
April 5, 2012, 01:43 AM
I live 150 yard north of one of Fort Wainright's fences.
My family has been in the same house since 1973. We
have never seen a bear in our neighborhood during
those 39 years.

Moose, every month or so wander
down the street. Out on the edges of town, people
will sometimes report a bear sighting. It's been over
18 months since the last one and that was about 10
miles north of town.

The dangers of living here have more to do with the
problem boozer or methhead and people who think
that they can drive fast on snow and ice.

And our mosquitos take no prisoners.
http://media.treehugger.com/assets/images/2011/10/Mosquito-Crossing-photo-001.jpg

Alaska444
April 5, 2012, 02:07 AM
Ha Ha, yes, the mosquitos take no prisoners in Alaska for sure. You can see the entire "herd" coming towards you up there. LOL

shiftyer1
April 5, 2012, 02:29 AM
I don't know what alaska laws are but I assume they are pretty gun friendly. I don't have to worry about too many bears here in central texas, i'll win the lottery before I see one. Although I did almost wreck my truck looking at a camel in a pasture, i've also seen giraffes, zebras and 3 years ago I had the wierdest looking deer in my yard. I'm rambeling.

What i'm getting at is that I carry a .22 rifle and a 30-30 in the truck mostly because I can and also to shoot skunks and other critters coming down the driveway. The 30-30 is for hogs and whatever else. Sometimes I carry a handgun. If I lived in alaska and the laws allowed I would do the same. I probably would adjust my calibers a bit.

caribou
April 5, 2012, 02:50 AM
You can carry "open" or "conceled", no licnese required, as long as you can legally own a pistol,just like Vermont.

If you want and qualify for a machinegun, scilencer or what not, the law says the CLO MUST mandatorily sign off on your form :D

Non violent Felons off probation may own long arms, but nothing concealable.


FMJ's are Alaskan "Solids", and a lotta bigger Bear guns push shuch out the bore to great effect.

You may hunt with a Muffler "Silencer'.

You may hut 'at night' , but with no electronic enhancement (The Arctic has a winter night a bit more than 3 months long)there is a period of "Twilight/Dusk" each day, but nothing above the horizon. This is where a high power scope can help alot.

When I leave town, or my village, I always carry a Rifle.

allaroundhunter
April 5, 2012, 02:54 AM
When I leave town, or my village, I always carry a Rifle

Do you have a favorite caliber/rifle that you carry, Caribou?

Cosmoline
April 5, 2012, 03:28 AM
I believe that Anchorage has created its own bear problem with poor insight into bears and people. Where people live, bears don't belong any longer. Simple as that. Once bears and other animals become habituated to people, they lose all of there fear of us which has been documented as a cause in a large number of bear attacks.

It's not that bad. There are some maulings around town from time to time, but for the most part we get along. I like having them here. And they don't have any interest in eating us thankfully. The brown bear stick to the salmon streams and have shifted their schedules to do their fishing at night to avoid us. The military tracked a bunch of brownies a few years back and found that many of them roll right on into town along the greenbelts every night, fishing within yards of densely populated neighborhoods. It makes life exciting ;-)

caribou
April 5, 2012, 06:16 AM
I have a favorite Mosin M-39 of Finn make I use for all kinds of hunting, but , maybe a bit more, I have a Romainian .22LR Military bolt action training rifle that is awsome.
In Spring I take a 12 Gauge.

Depends on what im doing that day and more often that not, Ill take both.

Mt Bear pistol is my Rifle, but I am a Hunter by trade, and the Rifles are tools.

Bears have never been a problem, I practise good Bear proof camping, but as for trouble, people and Moose have been far more a problem.

panhead58ak
April 5, 2012, 08:28 AM
I lived in Fairbanks 32 years never had a bear problem ,moose thats a different story. A good friend of mine did shoot a black bear with bow within 2oo yards of the fairgrounds on the northside of town I have shot 2 black bearwithin 20 miles of town while picking blueberries. when I lived on chena hot springs road I killed a black bear from my porch He wasnt to worried by the barking dogs.Black bear were a common problem for most who had cabins on the local rivers I shot 4 myself on the goodpasture river over the years out of town you may get to see one but they are ussually pretty skittish

DM~
April 5, 2012, 10:43 AM
The "Edge" of town is where the Wild starts.

AK is twice the size of Texas, there are, incidently MANY Villages, DM~, where were you?

Alaska is the size of Europe, and the word "Native' is on par with 'European', as there are many distinct tribes/nations here, and like Europe, Germans are NOT French, who are not Polish, ect......

Here, Moose come into town, we dont have to go a mile before weve seen 10, easily, but the catch to that is that 99% of Inupiaq Eskimo (a distincely differing tribe than Y'upik to the south or ChukChi on the Siberian side), do not hunt Moose. Caribou is far too plentyfull, and usefull hides, antler, bones, meat. Moose are kinda 'reserved' for when th emigration doesnt come through this way.
I wish the gov would let us drive tracked vehicles, especcially theirs :D......and the Caribou not run off when a motor approches, they must have some dumb Caribou to be in 30-30, .223 range and the vehivcle running.........what happend when you turned them in? Im sure you diidnt cover for 'em......folks here would put a stop to wasting resources pretty quick.

Did it happen? Im sure it did, especcially with young guys who have no guidence.

Is it common, No.

Folks here wont let others waste what they rely on.


The caribou were slottered outside Artic Village, My friend was born/raised in Ft. Yukon...

Did it happen, YES it happened, i saw it myself! Turn them in??? NOW that's a big joke!! Those dead caribou ended up on the runway, and a plane flew in from Ft. Yukon to fly them to Venetie, (out tax dollars at work) as a native told me they wanted some caribou there and none were around.

When i mentioned to the pilot how they got them, he shrugged and said "it happens all the time". Of course, i already knew that from being around other villages... I've seen other things just as bad or worse in other villages too, so i'd say it's more common that you think!

DM

caribou
April 5, 2012, 07:34 PM
Well, DM~, Ive been living Villages for far too long, as do my children and my grand children and have never seen 'slaughters'. When we do see misuse of animals, we TURN THEN INTO THE FnG TROOPER.
Its not common, but there are bad doings out there for sure. When and wherevere it happens, it needs to be stopped.

I, personally, dont aid such doings by keeping quiet, and nobody should, ever, its aiding and abetting in the crime.

Thats how these things become 'Common', so I have no doubts about what you saw, if nothing was done to stop it.

But since the animals ended up at an airport and off to another, Im thinking they were not wasted.
As well, I SERIOUSLY Doubt that any "Tax$$" were spend. Indian Corporate $$, sure, maybe private $$, as I send folks whole Caribou, feasts and Funerals, or just to my relatives.
There is No AK State programs to send Caribou, or any other kinds of meats where they are not, dead or alive.

Cosmoline
April 5, 2012, 07:43 PM
I can't speak to the old days, but waste of game isn't tolerated here anymore for sure. Native or non-native. Some stiff sentences were handed down after that unfortunate Point Hope business. But most of the time the culprits are touristas in over their heads.

Speaking of this thread, there are currently two moose not twenty feet from here walking around downtown eating trees.

algrayjr
April 6, 2012, 02:17 PM
OK Guys! What better way to get the wife to agree to that new sw460! Heck, in my younger days, my lies were just as large!:neener:

DM~
April 6, 2012, 09:58 PM
Well, DM~, Ive been living Villages for far too long, as do my children and my grand children and have never seen 'slaughters'. When we do see misuse of animals, we TURN THEN INTO THE FnG TROOPER.
Its not common, but there are bad doings out there for sure. When and wherevere it happens, it needs to be stopped.

I, personally, dont aid such doings by keeping quiet, and nobody should, ever, its aiding and abetting in the crime.

Thats how these things become 'Common', so I have no doubts about what you saw, if nothing was done to stop it.

But since the animals ended up at an airport and off to another, Im thinking they were not wasted.
As well, I SERIOUSLY Doubt that any "Tax$$" were spend. Indian Corporate $$, sure, maybe private $$, as I send folks whole Caribou, feasts and Funerals, or just to my relatives.
There is No AK State programs to send Caribou, or any other kinds of meats where they are not, dead or alive.

As i read this, i'm at a friends house who has the animial planet on the TV. It's about game wardens in Alaska, who went to Point Hope and found a dead moose shot in the shoulder. It was left to rot out on the tundra and no native in Point Hope would even talk to these guys about it, let alone help with the investigation.

I'm glad it's not a problem where YOU live, but i've been in many villages and saw with my own eyes, what goes on in most villages.

The caribou above that were RECOVERED were not wasted, but not all that were shot were recovered! And i knew the guy from Ft. Yukon that flew them out of Artic Village, yes tax dollars paid for the charter.

OK, i told truthfully what i've seen and experienced, and that's all i can do here. I really don't care if you believe it or not.

DM

Cosmoline
April 6, 2012, 10:09 PM
It's about game wardens in Alaska, who went to Point Hope and found a dead moose shot in the shoulder. It was left to rot out on the tundra and no native in Point Hope would even talk to these guys about it, let alone help with the investigation.

A moose in Point Hope that nobody ate? We have game wardens now? Are you sure this isn't something filmed a few years back regarding the waste of caribou at Point Hope? If so, you should note that as I indicated there were charges filed and sentences handed down. So that sort of thing isn't tolerated.

Anyway here's a live moose from outside the office yesterday:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=btAsW9K43Qw

As you can see she's pretty mellow even with lots of people around. They have a personal space around them and as long as you stay out of that they're usually pretty docile. Of course you have to watch for the signs of irritation too like hackles and lowered head with the ears flat back. This cow and calf are just browsing and ignoring the monkeys. But notice also how the Alaskan who's been chased (me) makes sure to place someone between him and the cow LOL

I'm evil, I know.

caribou
April 7, 2012, 02:21 AM
This is more far scary than a Bear, Moose or man and no gun can stop it.......clik it and be warned.....when these guys home in on you, NOTHING can help, you can run, but youll only die tired....

http://i53.photobucket.com/albums/g71/edwardhailstone/th_mouthandback1.jpg (http://s53.photobucket.com/albums/g71/edwardhailstone/?action=view&current=mouthandback1.mp4)

Alaska444
April 7, 2012, 05:46 AM
Man do I remember those critters when I was a kid. The worst mosquito attack I ever suffered through was up in Nome. The bug dope didn't work, the 20 mph wind didn't help. All I could do was to shut my parka hood over my face and get back to the car. I will never forget the sound of a mosquito right up next to my ear. Whooo boy, you got that right, you can run but you can't hide.

Art Eatman
April 7, 2012, 02:22 PM
Years back, a kid down around Beaumont had a swarm of mosquitoes get after him. He crawled under a washtub for refuge. Danged skeeters poked right on through the tub! He quickly bradded their beaks over with his pocket knife as a hammer. Next thing he knew, they flew off with the washtub!

And now for a true story: Way back before Longboat Key (at Sarasota, Florida) was developed, a guy was kidnapped, robbed, stripped of his clothing and turned loose way up the key. By the time he found a house, several miles south, he was in need of hospitalization because of mosquito bites. Dark night and being bare-footed, he couldn't get through the brush and mangroves to the Gulf.

Cosmoline
April 7, 2012, 02:57 PM
I've heard legends, which Caribou may or may not be able to confirm, about hapless greenhorns up on the tundra being sucked dry by the swarms and actually killed.

wwace
April 22, 2012, 07:02 AM
I on the other hand have plenty of bears where I live in Anchorage, I had a small black on my deck last summer trying to get in the window. The picture below are the three grizzly cubs that were roaming around here last fall, my neighbors Shepard ran right out in the middle of them, I grabbed a shotgun as I could only expect this to end badly when the mother griz appeared but some idiot had killed her but we didn't know that at the time. My neighbor was trying to get his dog away from them, pretty harry for a bit.

http://i972.photobucket.com/albums/ae206/wwace/bearscropped.jpg

Alaska444
April 22, 2012, 04:12 PM
What part of Anchorage is this picture taken? I used to live at the top of O'Malley road a long, long time ago. Looking at satellite pictures of the area, it is now a suburb when in the 1960's we had a few house in a half mile area and nothing else but trees and woods for miles around.

wwace
April 22, 2012, 10:56 PM
What part of Anchorage is this picture taken? I used to live at the top of O'Malley road a long, long time ago. Looking at satellite pictures of the area, it is now a suburb when in the 1960's we had a few house in a half mile area and nothing else but trees and woods for miles around.
Right by Rabbit Creek, south of Upper Omally a mile

Alaska444
April 22, 2012, 11:08 PM
Ah very good, I went to Rabbit Creek elementary for first and second grade.

Beautiful area. Strange how we never saw grizzly there when I was growing up even though it was all woods in the area at that time. Very much out in the boonies for sure. But that was back in the 1960's and a lot has changed. I remember a lot more pine forests at that time.

Thanks for the update.

God bless,

wwace
April 23, 2012, 01:03 AM
You all may find this interesting, this is the tracking info of 11 Anchorage area browns several years ago. Trust me that there are many more than just these they put transmitters on. You can see that some (sows I believe) have fairly small areas while others range widely.

http://www.adn.com/2008/07/02/454024/tracking-anchorage-grizzly-bears.html

Notice how they define their area by terrain or creeks, pretty cool.

If you enjoyed reading about "? for people from Alaska" here in TheHighRoad.org archive, you'll LOVE our community. Come join TheHighRoad.org today for the full version!