Who has multiple battle rifles?


January 30, 2003, 02:57 AM
When I bought my FAL last year, it was a VERY close toss-up between that and an M14 type.

The FAL performs even better than I expected, yet I find myself wanting more .308 semiautos. A .308 AK, for instance. And an M14 type, probably a Springfield M1A.

I also want an M1 Garand at some point.

Who here has multiple battle rifles? FALs, M14s, HKs, etc? Which one do you find yourself shooting more often? Which one's your favorite?

Just curious.

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Byron Quick
January 30, 2003, 05:21 AM
HK 91
Enfield MkIV .303
WWI Steyr

Shoot em all.

Going to buy more.

January 30, 2003, 05:31 AM
sar-1 and 30 carbine... my thing is hunting, so neither of these gets shot much. in fact, i've had the sar for two years and it has 22 rounds thru it; i've had the carbine for 5 years, and have run 70 rounds thru it.

i don't know why i shoot these so infrequently... i think it has a lot to do w/ the sights and accuracy. oh well, they are nifty to have...

January 30, 2003, 07:37 AM
Well, I have an HK91 and a Garand.

I shoot the HK more as I personally have an easier time thumbing rounds into box mags as opposed to en bloc clips. Also, 7.62x51 surplus is cheaper & more plentiful in the local retail/gunshow market.

January 30, 2003, 07:59 AM
Polish MN M-44
2-Yugo SKS's

All were purchased NIB or in Unissued condition.

Cheap to buy---cheap to shoot---and a heck of a lot of fun.

Plus all the bayonets--grenade launchers--high capacity mags(depending on model--lol) etc.........to send the liberal socialist/communists into a tizzy fit.

January 30, 2003, 08:22 AM
US Rifle Cal .30 M-1 Popularly known as 'The Garand'

Mosin-Nagant M-44 Carbine 7.62x54R Cal 1954 Romanian made

Both are fun to shoot, and I like the fold-out bayonet on the M-44 Carbine.

Had a guy ask me why I needed such a long screwdriver, and how I got it attached to the rfile. I folded out the bayo, and said "It isn't really a screwdriver", while poking one of the gallon water jugs I brought. Look on his face......... :what:

It was, to steal a line from the credit card ads, ... "Priceless"

January 30, 2003, 09:20 AM
Do Swedish Mausers count? They were Sweden's battle rifle for a long time. And no one ever defeated them while they used them.

Swedish Mauser M96
Swedish Mauser M96/38
Swedish Mauser Sporterized w/scope & new stock
Swedish Mauser Shortened

Did I mention that all my guns shoot the same ammo?

Will Fennell
January 30, 2003, 10:06 AM
I've got 2, and I stay sooo confused....

First, a "tricked out", with all the doo dads, Bushmaster Dissipator. ARMS SWAN Sleeve, REFLEX 2, yada yada.

Second, a stock Remington produced 03A3 Springfield.

The first is fun to shoot.....the second is what you grab when you have to kill something.

January 30, 2003, 10:24 AM
So far ...

• M-1 Garand (courtesy of the nice folks at CMP) another on order
• K-98 Mauser, 1939
• 2 Mosin-Nagant 91-30, 1937 & 1941
• Mosin Nagant M-44, Russian
• Enfield, #4 Mk II
• Enfield, #5 Jungle Carbine
• AR-15, built on an M-16 upper, barrel and stock

All have the baynoets and full kit with a "working" amount of ammo for each. I'm building a display case for a WW II collection for the family room wall.

Can you tell I've been single for a while, with no one to answer to for my expenditures?

My daughter thinks my room looks like the prop room for Band of Brothers.

Don P.

Northwest Cajun
January 30, 2003, 10:28 AM
By order of date made
1903 Springfield MK1
M-1 Garand
M-1 Carbine
M1A1 Springfield
AR-15 (bushmaster)

Next on the list
30-40 Kraig
Thompson M1 ( I'll call it a "rifle")
P-14 Enfield in 30-06
Springfield Trapdoor carbine in 45-70


Art Eatman
January 30, 2003, 10:33 AM
Well, I have a Garand and a Springfield Mark 1. Dunno do GI Carbines count...

I mostly plink with a Walther .22 Model 2 semi-auto rifle. Ain't had many battles, lately.

:D, Art

January 30, 2003, 10:36 AM
I've got two battle rifles and a battle carbine. A No4 Mk1* Enfield, a .308 Vepr, and a Daewoo K2. I also have a .308 Scouterized Mauser that I consider very close to a battle rifle.

Mike Irwin
January 30, 2003, 11:00 AM
Lee-Enfield No. 1 Mk III

Arisaka Type 38

Springifled 1903A3 by Remington

Chauterault Betherier Carbine

4v50 Gary
January 30, 2003, 11:18 AM
Yep & I shoot none of them anymore. They're hundreds of miles away where they don't have to be registered. :(

January 30, 2003, 11:22 AM
FAL: G1 parts kit wrapped around an Imbel receiver. Probably my favorite rifle at the moment. :D
SKS: not sure if this counts as a battle rifle..it's one of those variants that accept AK magazines.

Both are in storage until I get out of the Daley Empire of Chicago. I've had the SKS for about five years, and have fired 300 rounds through it at most; the FAL is a year and maybe 100 rounds old.

January 30, 2003, 11:39 AM
2 Hunky AK-47's, 2 Yugo AK's, 1 Yugo drugonov in .308, NM M14,HK 91,93. One metric, one inch FNFAL.M1 carbine, M1 garand, M-4 Colt , HBAR COLT , Flat Top Target Colt, Calico M-100, 1917 Enfield, Swiss K-31, Mauser 1934 7mm short rifle.:D

January 30, 2003, 11:42 AM
2----M1 Garands
1.....Swede M96
1......British Enfield mk.4 nr.1*
1......Russian M44 Mosin-Nagant
1.......DPMS ar-15
1........Yugoslav sks
1........Norinco sks

January 30, 2003, 12:18 PM
Enfield Mk4 1

Mas 36

K98 Mauser


SKS Para.

M39 Nagant

I will be getting more now that I have a C&R! WooHOO!!!!

January 30, 2003, 12:30 PM
It seems that people are taking a wide interpretation of the term "Battle Rifle".

January 30, 2003, 12:37 PM
The ones I shoot the most are my gun show parts FAL and CETME.

January 30, 2003, 01:30 PM
I have no idea what you mean by a "battle rifle." To me, a battle rifle is any rifle I use in a battle.

I presume that my FAL is a "battle rifle" in the way you mean this. What about my 60-year-old Persian Mauser? My 100-year-old Krag? How about my 1-year-old Marlin .45LC levergun? Plenty of range wars fought in the 19th century with similar rifles. Sarah Brady notwithstanding, I find the distinction meaningless.

YMMV, natch...


January 30, 2003, 02:06 PM
I find the distinction meaningless.

To clear up any confusion.

The term "battle rifle" as I have come to use it refers to a long arm, a rifle, that fires a full power cartridge (as opposed to an intermediate cartridge like .223) and is suitable for battlefield use.

Generally, this term was used on TFL to distinguish weapons like the M14, Garand, and FAL from the AR-15, AKM, and others. It is most often used in reference to self-loading weapons of modern design, but is not necessarily so. A 1903 or Enfield is a battle rifle as surely as any that came after them.

An AR-15 or SAR is a semiautomatic clone of an assault rifle. By "assault rifle", I mean it the way the military describes it, that is to say, a select-fire rifle firing an intermediate cartridge. The AKM, M16, Steyr AUG, HK G36, and IMI Tavor are all examples of these weapons. Note that the AR-15 (and postban clones), SARs, etc, are NOT, in fact, assault rifles, as they are semiautomatic only, and by definition an assault rifle is select fire.

However, that said, not everyone distingues between full power and intermediate power cartridges, and hence many include clones and copies of such military weapons as the M16 and AKM in their list of "battle rifles". After all, intermediate cartridges have been used in many battles.

The term battle rifle can also be used in reference to practical use and barrel length. A 10" Colt Commando or an 8" HK51 could hardly be described as a main battle rifle, even though the latter fires a full power cartridge.

But you see, I wanted to see a specific breed of rifle. Simply asking for pictures of rifles would've been a little vague. To my knowledge, Sarah Brady has never used the term "battle rifle", and I certainly didn't make it up.

But let's not argue semantics, we're all on the same team here.

January 30, 2003, 02:12 PM

I believe I am in compliance with those parameters.

Dave Markowitz
January 30, 2003, 02:15 PM
I have nine:

No.4 Mk.I (Fazakerly)
No.5 Mk.I (Unknown arsenal)
Kar. 98k (Preduzece 44)
Turk M1938 (Ankara)
Czech VZ-24 (BRNO)
Spanish FR-8 (Unknown arsenal)
Soviet Mosin-Nagant M1891/30 (Tula)
Finnish Mosin-Nagant m/1939 (Remington/VKT)
Finnish Mosin-Nagant m/1891 (VKT)


January 30, 2003, 02:26 PM
I have two "black" rifles.. I don't know if they qualify as "Battlefield" rifles since they aren't full auto..

HK 91
HK 93

I tend to shoot the '93' the most. Only because .223 Rem. is the more affordable of the two cartridges... :D

January 30, 2003, 02:28 PM
Saiga .308
Saiga 7.62x39
Armalite .223
Moslin Nagant 7.62x54
GEW 98 (8mm)
Swedish Mauser 6.5x55

and a couple of "tactical" shotguns.....

Byron Quick
January 30, 2003, 02:53 PM
Yeah, I left off mentioning the AR-15's, SKS's and such due to caliber considerations.

January 30, 2003, 03:07 PM
Lessee, got 2 Springfield M1A's, a PolyTech M14S, 2 Garands, a Saiga 308-1 and a CETME. Love 'em all! :D

January 30, 2003, 03:38 PM
So where's the break point between full power and intermediate?

I'm guessing the FAL (STg - semi-auto, not select fire) and the 8mm Mauser (bolt-action) qualify, but am unsure about the 30-40 Krag. Obviously the Marlin and T/Cs are out.

Reference to Brady was because of her insistence that there is a clearcut distinction between "sporting" and "evil" rifles.


January 30, 2003, 04:42 PM
If you don't like the terminology (none of which I invented, I must again lament) you need only not read this thread. I don't know why you must nit-pick everything I type.

There is no "breaking point" between what is considered a modern full-power rifle cartridge and an intermediate one. It's more of a gray area. I can give examples of each.

Full Rifle: .308, .30-06, 7.62x54mmR, 8mm Mauser, .45-70, .270, etc.

Intermediate: .223 Remington, 7.62x39mm, 5.45x39mm. Originally thought up by the Germans during the second world war (the 7.92mm Kurtz round) as a midway cartridge, more powerful than 9mm submachine guns but less recoil (and power) than the standard 8mm service round. The first operational intermediate cartridge rifle was the MP44/STG44. The first one to see real wide scale use was the AK-47. The United States didn't get in on the game until the late fifties with the development of the AR-15/M16 family.

Gray area: Things like .243, .30-30, etc. But in military terminology, it's generally one or the other. Most militaries use a full rifle round for machine guns, a few battle rifles, and scoped weapons, as well as an intermediate cartridge for standard rifles and light machine guns. NATO uses .308/.223, whereas Russia has the 7.62x54R/5.45mm combo.

But you probably knew all that.

January 30, 2003, 05:46 PM
i think i can get this right:)

1.dsa lw carbine

2.dsa stg58

3.century G3

wishing for a M1a:D


January 30, 2003, 06:33 PM
Assault web and some others break things down. I figure it needs to be military, mag fed, and in the power range of 308 or better. If based off the 308 case it also gets included in my opionion if it meets the other criteria. That covers things like the springfield m1a in .243 or whatever it was.

I have a fal and an m1a and like them enough I will be getting some variations of what I have. I have some interest in an ar10, but not enough to justify the cost right now. I have some interest in the ak types, but not enough for me to get one right now. The hk, cetme, l1a1, and others have all seemed soso when I handled them and for now I am darn happy with a fal and an m1a.

Lots of stuff to look at, and I do like variety. But I also like quality from the get go and have found that in the fal and m1a I bought.

January 30, 2003, 07:50 PM
I started with a Lee-Enfield No4 Mk2 and fell in love with the power, so...
1) Lee-Enfield No4Mk2
2) FAL parts gun on DSA receiver
3) Mosin-Nagant M44
4) Yugo M48A mauser
5) HK-91 clone (specifically, FMP SLG-95)
6) Rifle, Caliber 30, M1
I like the solid feel of them and I'm confident that whatever is hit by them will know it.

Now I need a M1A.

January 30, 2003, 08:13 PM
OK to refine the list( and I forgot a couple) :95 Steyr 8x56 Straight pull,.303 Martini BSA short rifle ,Ross .303 Straight pull(Canadian military)1917 Enfield,1934 Mod 98 7mm Mauser,Swiss K-31, M-1 Garand, Hakim 8mm,M-14,FNFAL inch and Metric(2), HK91,Yugo Drugonov, and Barret Light Fifty(hey meets all the 'battle rifle requirements') I left off all .223 and 7.62x39 guns.

January 30, 2003, 08:25 PM
Colt M16A1

Remington 1903-A3

Springfield Armory M1 Garand

Rockola M1 Carbine

Enfield No. 4 Mk. 1

Enfield No. 5 Jungle Carbine

Mauser 98K

Mauser-Argentino M1891

Mosin-Nagant M44 Carbine


MAS 36/51

Mannlicher Carcano M1941

(Semi-Auto Versions)
Colt AR-15 SP1
Polytech Legend AK-47 Underfolder

Stephen Ewing
January 30, 2003, 08:42 PM
Ignoring duplicates, and skipping the civilian stuff and the poodle shooters?

DSA StG 58
G3 clone
M1 Garand
SMLE No4 Mk2
Type 38 Arisaka
Model 38 Carcano

Does 7.62X45 count?

What have I learned? If it comes with a steel buttplate and fires a real round, avoid the little version; don't shoot the virgin 98; do fall in love with the Garand; enjoy the feel of the FAL, and take the FAL to war; but shoot the AR-10 for fun.

I also learned a little too late not to sell G43s.:cuss:


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