50 BMG Pistol


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Quack
February 15, 2004, 11:10 AM
from Dr. Lunde:
"For those who didn't catch it, there was a 50BMG single-shot pistol shown at the SHOT Show, in the North Hall. The company is Triple Action LCC at booth #9255. I was able to get some photos. They have a video running that shows it being shot. It uses a nitrogen recoil dampening system, sort of like a hydraulic mechanism. Here are the photos:

http://www.praxagora.com/lunde/photos/thunder50bmg-1.jpg
http://www.praxagora.com/lunde/photos/thunder50bmg-2.jpg
http://www.praxagora.com/lunde/photos/thunder50bmg-3.jpg

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t driver
February 15, 2004, 11:30 AM
:what: Holy Crap! :what:

extremefishin00
February 15, 2004, 12:25 PM
I'll say the same thing I told the last person that tried to get me to smoke pot...No thanks.

Chris

ID_shooting
February 15, 2004, 12:32 PM
:what:

I WANT ONE!

:D :D :D :D

45R
February 15, 2004, 01:25 PM
This thing will probably never see the CA safe list. Move over SW500 this is one pistol that screams every 4 letter word as word to describe its badness.

TheOtherOne
February 15, 2004, 01:35 PM
Cool. Who's making the IWB holsters?

hksw
February 15, 2004, 02:47 PM
It uses a nitrogen recoil dampening system,...

That looks and sounds very expensive.

BHPshooter
February 15, 2004, 02:50 PM
Holy monkey. :uhoh:

Wes

CleverNickname
February 15, 2004, 03:14 PM
Doesn't this mean .50 BMG AP ammo is illegal now that .50 BMG is "pistol" ammo?

Waitone
February 15, 2004, 03:54 PM
"Can we?" is answered by technology.

"Should we?" is answered by wisdom.

Seems the distinction was lost.

Another poster for the Brady Gang.

BryanP
February 15, 2004, 04:07 PM
Ye Gods. I don't even want to think about how much that will cost or what the recoil will be like.

And I guess the next time someone asks what they should pack for a grizzly bear we have a new winner.

Garand'06
February 15, 2004, 05:36 PM
I'd take one, but it would only be for the (symbolic) deterrence factor - because I sure as heck wouldn't fire it!:what:

Snaps
February 15, 2004, 06:05 PM
That just doesn't seem like a good idea to me.


Bang/ ahh... my wrist is broken.... ah... so is my elbow... :what:

That must be one heck of a muzzle brake.:uhoh:

lycanthrope
February 15, 2004, 07:14 PM
Recoil with military ammo can't be that bad. Half the powder wouldn't even be burnt before the bullet was out the muzzle.

Moparmike
February 15, 2004, 07:22 PM
First the bullet penetrates the perp and flys on to counties unknown, then the perp is barbequed by the left-over powder. COOL!!!:evil:

lycanthrope
February 15, 2004, 07:23 PM
Seriously, powder burns to 50 feet. Better have some good welding goggles to deal with muzzle blast...or go blind.

atek3
February 15, 2004, 11:13 PM
Jeez, I bet the muzzle blast would blow your shirt off.

atek3

Wedge
February 15, 2004, 11:33 PM
There is one gun you can count on a OSS from!

deleteall
February 16, 2004, 12:20 AM
What a bunch of weenies. :neener: The recoil system probably works or else it never would have been manufactured (too much liability otherwise).

PCRCCW
February 16, 2004, 12:48 AM
Theres a video on the net of a young lady.....not large at all, rather petite shooting a 50 BMG pistol.

No biggie...I believe LAR made the movie as it was made behind UT lake....a happy place for central Ut shooters. You can see Mt. Timpanogas in the back ground.

Anyway........the recoil wasnt that bad and Ill bet it wasnt this hi tech. Id shoot it but somebody else is gonna buy the ammo :D


Shoot well.

deleteall
February 16, 2004, 01:55 AM
How much is it gonna cost?

WonderNine
February 16, 2004, 02:02 AM
Another poster for the Brady Gang.

Great attitude! :rolleyes:

Beav
February 16, 2004, 02:15 AM
wow can you say flinch!

It should come with a helmet.

Browning50
February 16, 2004, 02:59 AM
Unfortunately, if this pistol is marketed in the US, it will end the commercial sale of ALL .50 BMG AP, API, and APIT ammo, and will most likely also end the sale of standard GI steel core ammo.

If anyone has a contact for this company, please post it here. We need to urge them to table this idea pronto.

deleteall
February 16, 2004, 03:47 AM
it will end the commercial sale of ALL .50 BMG AP, API, and APIT ammo, and will most likely also end the sale of standard GI steel core ammo.

WHY???

50 Shooter
February 16, 2004, 10:50 AM
Check your state regs as well as federal, here's part of Kali's.

Handgun ammunition means ammunition principally for use in pistols, revolvers, and other
firearms capable of being concealed upon the person, as defined in subdivision (a) of section
12001, notwithstanding that the ammunition may also be used in some rifles. (Penal Code §
12323(a).)

Handgun ammunition designed primarily to penetrate metal or armor means any
ammunition, except a shotgun shell or ammunition primarily designed for use in rifles, that is
designed primarily to penetrate a body vest or body shield. (Penal Code § 12323(.)

That's why, so who has info to contact this company?

cpileri
February 16, 2004, 11:09 AM
even over at biggerhammer.net they can't find this company. probably a front comapny for some anti-II group who want to get rid of SPECIAL TYPES OF 50 AMMO WITHOUT PASSING ANOTHER LAW. very good strategy i must say.
C-

Browning50
February 16, 2004, 11:38 AM
AP type ammo that can be fired in a handgun was banned for sale by the 1994 crime bill. With the introduction of a new hangdun in a caliber previously available only in rifles will add that caliber to the ban list.

By definition, AP Ammo is:
~~~~~~~
(i) a projectile or projectile core which may be used in a handgun and which is constructed entirely (excluding the presence of traces of other substances) from one or a combination of tungsten alloys, steel, iron, brass, bronze, beryllium copper, or depleted uranium; or

(ii) a full jacketed projectile larger than .22 caliber designed and intended for use in a handgun and whose jacket has a weight of more than 25 percent of the total weight of the projectile.
~~~~~~~
Web link:
http://www.atf.gov/firearms/legal/armor.htm

This banned the importation and manufacture of steel core and AP, API, APIT ammo in .308, 7.62x39 and .223 for sale to the public. Since several companies make handguns in those calibers.

Once the ATF gets wind of this handgun, they will halt the sale of said ammo types in .50 BMG. You can still own it and buy it from private individuals, but companies like Talon or Arizona Ammo will no longer be able to make it for public sale, and dealers like Ammoman.com will not be able to sell it to non law enforcement individuals.

I think the ATF used some kind of number formula in the past to determine whether there are enough handguns in any given caliber to ban the sale of AP type ammo in that caliber, but you can bet the farm that the number of .50 BMG handguns in production that will be needed to ban the sale of .50 BMG AP ammo will be ONE. As you know the .50 BMG is on the hit list of the anti 2nd Ammendment bozos.

Th language above from Title 18, will ban the sale of:

Standard FMJ Ball loads (solid steel core)
Virtually all of the bronze machined solids (Harlow, Barnes etc.)
AP (Black Tip)*
API (Silver Tip)*
APIT (Silver and Red Tip)*
Raufoss (Green and White Tip)*
SLAP*

----------and any other ammo that meets the criteria of a steel or alloy core that .

The price of loaded .50 BMG ammo will jump from $1.50 a round to well over $5 a round since only newly manufactured bullets can be used, no more surplus bullets since they virtually all have solid steel or tungsten alloy cores.

There is a slim chance that it won't be banned since this gun is a limited production single shot bolt action handgun but don't count on it. The .50 BMG is probably the single most hated caliber out there right now.

There are handguns being offered in .30-06 from various makers, Thompson Center, Magnum Research and Savage, but the 30-06 AP ammo is specifically exempted from the ban, as is SS109 5.56mm, but for a different reason. The SS109 steel core is surrounded by lead, therefore not meeting the criteria of being constructed ENTIRELY of steel, tungsten, etc.

lycanthrope
February 16, 2004, 11:49 AM
I doubt it goes that far. I can't see this gun having any practical usage as:

A. Velocity has to be very low for a .50

B. Stabilizing the bullet of a cartridge that long in a barrel that short has got to be difficult, even if the loads were reduced to a minimum safe point.

Generally, it's a nice conversation piece, but likely ineffective as a useful firearm.

deleteall
February 16, 2004, 12:48 PM
Too bad for the .50 shooters then.

Zundfolge
February 16, 2004, 12:57 PM
So what about Thompson/Center Arms and Wichita?

They make pistols that chamber most every rifle cartridge known to man ... so wouldn't that make all AP rifle ammo illegal?

EDIT: oh ... I see this has been addressed ... doh!

Browning50
February 16, 2004, 02:17 PM
The concern is that this will allow the ATF to ban AP type .50 ammo should they choose to with no input from the legislative branch.

Do you think they will pass up on this chance?

I don't.

seanmc42
February 17, 2004, 02:20 AM
Thank god!
Now I can get rid of that mouse-gun of a S&W500!

Kodiak AK
February 17, 2004, 04:25 AM
Looks Like I should buy up some 50 BMG ammo before the ban .

deleteall
February 17, 2004, 04:48 AM
This may be a stupid question, but is this thing even going to be produced? Just because it's shown doesn't mean they're going to sell it, right?

Penforhire
February 17, 2004, 07:39 PM
"nitrogen" huh? Sounds like an automotive shock absorber. This gun is just too cool. I put it in the Desert Eagle AE50 category. It is built for fun. Can't we have a little fun too? The SW500 doesn't do it for me but this monster gets me salivating...

Sylvilagus Aquaticus
February 18, 2004, 01:48 AM
I think I have too much respect for what is left of my peripheral nervous system to ever touch one off.

My radial and ulnar nerves saw that photo and said 2 words..."NO WAY!"

Besides, there is no hearing aid that would repair the damage from that blast from a short barrel.

Regards,
Rabbit

bmg
February 22, 2004, 02:39 PM
According to the people at the shot show they have no intention of ever manufacturing this pistol they were there to try to sell the technology and manufacturing rights.

Justin
February 22, 2004, 08:22 PM
The reason no one can find info on this company on the web is because they aren't out there yet. I stopped by this booth to take a gander at this monstrosity, and the guy hawking it said that the SHOT Show was the first introduction of this...thing. He pointed out that they hadn't even put anything up on the web yet.

I got the distinct impression that they only had maybe one or two prototypes and were looking for somebody who would be willing to pick them up and mass-produce the design.

stickler
February 23, 2004, 02:18 AM
Handgun ammunition means ammunition principally for use in pistols, revolvers, and other
firearms
I don't think 1 gun can be streched to 'principally'

arinvolvo
February 23, 2004, 02:23 AM
Nothing like a pistol that kills the persons on BOTH sides of the gun...very efficient.

BluesBear
February 23, 2004, 10:31 AM
According to the people at the shot show they have no intention of ever manufacturing this pistol they were there to try to sell the technology and manufacturing rights. Hopefully this means that making one demo pistol in .50BMG was just to illustrate how effective their recoil reducing system is.

After all, if it can tame a .50BMG then any handgun round should be a piece of cake.

DougB
February 24, 2004, 02:57 AM
I also saw this at the Shot Show and watched the video for a couple of minutes. My impression was that the people who shot it were pretty scared to do so - they tried to look unworried, but gave me the distinct impression that they were terrified to touch it off and very relieved when it was over (and who could blame them). Not too different from when a new shooter tries a .44 magnum for the first time - hold it out, close your eyes, grit your teeth, and pull the trigger.

I really can't see any practical use for such a gun other than conversation piece, but if I had the money to spare and they were available, it would be quite a novelty to add to the collection. I guess I'd have to shoot it once or twice just to say I'd done it.

Doug

arinvolvo
February 25, 2004, 02:49 PM
I dont know what the big deal is, KelTec has had one for a while:D

http://www.ktog.org/graphics/visitkeltec/ktcnc-p50.jpg

Frohickey
February 25, 2004, 03:18 PM
Hmm... a gun that doubles quite effectively as a bludgeoning weapon... nice. :D

orangeninja
February 25, 2004, 07:14 PM
I dub thee....HAMMER OF THOR!!!:D

BluesBear
February 26, 2004, 09:26 AM
Shoot that Kel-Tec and you will be Thor!


In fact...

You'll be THOR all over!

:neener: :what: :neener:

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