Taurus 445, 44 Spec Ultra Lite


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HiVel1
April 4, 2012, 06:26 PM
Anybody have experience with this snorter? I would like to look at getting one for a car gun since my last car gun was stolen and it was a very nice customized Glock 30-too much $ to lose again. I have had several Taurus revolvers in 38 and they were OK guns -had a WalMart 38 special Taurus I bought new for next to nothing and it was a pretty nice gun. Also had some of the 85 series 38 snubs -several people close to me still have them and they seem to work good. Is this 44 a good buy-does it shoot accurately and with no problems? I have had one really poor example of semi auto Taurus 9mm and dont need that type of aggravation.
Appreciate the info-will look at theTaurus site but that is sort of predjudiced.
Thanks

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weregunner
April 4, 2012, 11:13 PM
I was going to help until I saw the "prejudice" thing. It's the people who actually own them who are there and that is prejudice? Wow!

If it didn't work I was going to include that, but not now.
I'm letting the links go away and not come back.

There are plenty of people who've had Taurus problems and those people were helped with to deal with the problem and keep the gun and owner up and going.

There are also those of us who haven't had any problem with them,too. That's prejudice?

From now on I'll claim that all posts are prejudiced cause the owners have them and had good experience with them.Just following the "logic" and "conventional wisdom" that isn't wise to its conclusion using your line of "reasoning". :rolleyes::uhoh::eek::o

Carne Frio
April 5, 2012, 12:33 AM
Are you talking about the Taurus Titanium 44 special ?
The one with the 2 inch barrel and six small ports on
the sides of the front site ? I have one and use it for
my nightstand gun. It seems to prefer 200gr Silvertips.
Is it a good buy ? I don't know. It is reliable.

mnrivrat
April 5, 2012, 01:11 AM
Just about every brand has those folks who swear by them, and those that swear at them.

The fact is that not all guns of the same kind/model coming off the assembly line are equal. Some are fine and others can be lousy. There are a lot of good Taurus guns out there giving great service and there are some that need to be painted yellow. The same can be said for most any brand .

There is nothing wrong with the Taurus as long as you get an average good one. I like the 44 Spl and shoot that caliber from a small frame revolver with no problem. The recoil is not sharp, and lends itself rather well to lighter guns.

TennJed
April 5, 2012, 01:13 AM
I was going to help until I saw the "prejudice" thing. It's the people who actually own them who are there and that is prejudice? Wow!

If it didn't work I was going to include that, but not now.
I'm letting the links go away and not come back.

There are plenty of people who've had Taurus problems and those people were helped with to deal with the problem and keep the gun and owner up and going.

There are also those of us who haven't had any problem with them,too. That's prejudice?

From now on I'll claim that all posts are prejudiced cause the owners have them and had good experience with them.Just following the "logic" and "conventional wisdom" that isn't wise to its conclusion using your line of "reasoning". :rolleyes::uhoh::eek::o
I own and enjoy several makes of handguns and post on serveral message boards. But I will admit, most times when I want general opinions on guns I avoid the brand decicated forums. Prejudice, might not be the word I use, but I feel sometimes when you get lots of people together that are dedicated enough to post on a particular forum, you have a representation of the more dedicated fan. General opinions may not be as objective as others.

If I need specific info about a gun, there is usually no better place to go than the company dedicated forum. All things considered though I enjoy all boards I post on (that is why I post on them :))

weregunner
April 5, 2012, 06:40 AM
Afraid to take actual use over something else?

One can devine what is true and what is over board with some common sense.

Why do they like the gun? How does it really perform? Not just glittering praise,but substantiated fact.

WHen I went looking for my Ruger PC9s, SR-9 and c model,the Ruger P95s, the Ruger Mini14s, I looked here, but found more info that proved or disproved things at the 2 Ruger forums.

When I get my Beretta firearms, I check here, but the Beretta forum gave me more of what I needed to help make the case for what I got. It proved sound data.

For the Springfield XD-9 I looked here ,found some good stuff, but the Springfield XD forum had more of what I needed than here.

Same went for the SIGs I've got.

I did good and deep research and sifted the wheat from the chaff. No problem.

Shutting yourself off from a good source of data is rather silly.

Jubal sackett
April 5, 2012, 07:10 AM
I think that Hivel1 used the wrong word and ruffled some feathers. Predjuiced should be replaced by biased. It is true the pro Taurus folk will post on the Taurus forum and thats good. You can get some really good info there.

But for an objective view, you can't beat THR. You get both sides of the question.

I have 2 Taurus 44 special revolvers. Love them both.

Stainz
April 5, 2012, 08:02 AM
HiVel1,

Remember Oppie at the range? He had a Taurus Ti snubbie .44 Spcl - bought on closeout from your once favorite pusher. It wasn't as slick as my 296 and it started dragging at 30 rounds of 200gr Gold Dot Blazers the first day he brought it out to the range - he couldn't get a whole box through at one rather rapid session. Being all-Ti, it had a thermal problem - and it got hot quickly. Ti is tougher than Al alloys or steel to machine cleanly, which may explain it's use only as a cylinder in S&W - and they've all but stopped making them, now. I shot it that day - it was dependable as a protector - I hit the SPC steel targets at 12yd with it, just certainly not a range plinker, that's for sure. The Charter Arms .44 Specials are similar. One thing they both had when I shot them... and they share that with my 296... a bit more bounce than the heavier 696! So, for a car protector - which won't break the bank - a decent used one of either the lite weight Taurus or the Charter Arms variety should be fine.

Stainz

oldfool
April 5, 2012, 08:17 AM
HiVel1
THR search function works really well
search "Taurus 44 special", you will get 491 thread hits
(opinions vary, in general it appears some specific models win high marks from owners, and some specific models do not)
in the meantime, at least a couple of THR owners have offered on-topic opinions, and 44 special caliber deserves more attention than it gets

PS
yes, all sponsor branded forums are biased
(but some apparently don't get enough hits on their own merits)
and Qwicks draw thinks every Taurus handgun ever made is wunnerful, wunnerful
(just in case you were wondering)

Monster Zero
April 5, 2012, 10:02 AM
"I would like to look at getting one for a car gun since my last car gun was stolen"

Uh... were you keeping a gun in your car all the time? If you were, did you learn anything?

Just axin'.

weregunner
April 5, 2012, 10:13 AM
Nope your wrong. I've said there have been cases of bad examples. Not the way you portray them.

And there are two sides to the Taurus debate at the Taurus forum.

There are people who do not like 445 for their own reasons. Not because the gun is bad. That was going to be introduced.

There are also a lot of 44 Special, Taurus 441,431, and Rossi 720 threads to go around as well.

So this is not a an actual query about the Taurus 445 or we would be getting to the actual meat of what a 445 is really like.

There was a lot of good data that was going to be offered,good,the bad ,and the ugly, but that isn't going to happen from this viewpoint as it was never about the gun.

No one would knowingly cut themselves off from real info in that way.

weregunner
April 5, 2012, 10:16 AM
No ruffled feathers. I just see whats going on here and am not going to participate.

old4x4
April 5, 2012, 07:57 PM
I've got a Ti in 44Spc. and love it. It's accurate, reliable, and very light. It also a 5 shot, so its slimmer than a 6 shooter. S&W could take a hint from that design. Wish my 629PC was a five shot.

TennJed
April 5, 2012, 11:00 PM
No ruffled feathers. I just see whats going on here and am not going to participate.
I am not sure whats going on here, you seemed quite offended at the mere mention that taurusarmed.net is not the only source of taurus info.

First off, I honestly think THR is the best place to get any info firearm related.

And I stand by my premise that a broader collection of a certain segment of the population is, on average, a better place to get objective info on a subject. When you get a concentration of like minded individuals, you tend to get an opinion that leans one way. Not sure why that would upset you, it is just a fact of life. I have been to taurus forums and get some great info there, usually more specific info, not opinions. But THR is my first stop for opinions

oldfool
April 6, 2012, 06:24 AM
TennJed
"I am not sure whats going on here,"

just a little unbiased evangelism, that's all... nothing 'prejudicial' of course
(not that there's anything wrong with that, you know)

weregunner, THR join date Aug 12, 2006, 1,319 posts
Feb 7, 2007 11:51AM THR post announcing formation of new forum taursarmed.net, seeking moderators
"Trolls and bashers need not apply"
"Own models 66,65,85CH and 94. Pistols are only two. PT22 and PT111 Mil/pro."
(apparently now owns twenty-something, maybe thirty-something, must like 'em quite a lot, I reckon)
late edit - 31 Taurus revolvers, last I heard, not counting Taurus autoloaders

Qwiks draw (moderator, over yonder), member #4, join date Jan 9, 2007
a rather familiar sounding theme repetitively heard right here on THR -
Past and Present Taurus Threads: Here and Abroad
http://www.taurusarmed.net/forums/faq-discussions/5892-past-present-taurus-threads-here-abroad.html
"Please note that in the early threads a guy named only as JR47 trashes the fallacies,lies, and untruth set upon the screen by others".

THR non-brand sponsored forum 'hits'
Most users ever online was 4,526, March 6, 2011 at 10:00 PM.
Threads: 594,040, Posts: 7,937,946, Members: 160,672, Active Members: 13,939

over yonder - brand sponsored forum 'hits'
Most users ever online was 437, 02-26-2012 at 05:15 PM.
(all donations cheerfully accepted)

PS
Taurus makes some specific 44 special models which win high marks from owners
(honest, no kidding)
and there are plenty of THR threads on 'em, pro and con
(really, no kidding)
I don't own one though
(and not a member over yonder, either.... but I did just throw the fellow one free link 'hit')

be well and support the charity of your own choice ;)

Stainz
April 6, 2012, 07:32 AM
old4x4,

S&W and Taurus both followed Charter Arms with their versions of the 5-shot .44 Special in the mid-late 1990's. They are all similar enough to use the same speedloader - the HKS #CA44. The 445 Ti and S&W #296 (see below) were featured on an 'American Rifleman' cover in '98 or so (... and it had a representation of the Ti atom on the side!). I had to have a 696 (3" external hammer SS version), a properly made CA Bulldog, and the 296 - the latter since that A.R. article. In 1/03 I bought both - on the same day: $439 for the regular priced 696-1 and $349 for the 296 - which already had been on closeout for a while. BTW, that 296's price was less than half of it's then MSRP - little wonder it didn't sell, the low demands of the almost cult-like following of the .44 Special notwithstanding.

http://s171.photobucket.com/albums/u307/Stainz_2007/IMG_3867-1.jpg

The 3" hammered other AirLite-Ti version, the 396, was the last to be introduced - and was last available under the 396 Night Guard name, although the Ti cylinder was lost. My 296 still sees some carry - in cargo pants in a Mika's pocket holster. It's like a 642 - on steroids. My favorite ammo is the GA Arms 200gr Gold Dot loaded version shown. It's ballistically the same as the CCI Blazer version - barely breaks 800 fps from the 296's 2.5" barrel - but yields a new Starline brass case instead of a throw-away Al case - for about the same price.

So, S&W has 'been there; done that'.

Stainz

JR47
April 6, 2012, 08:28 PM
It's kind of amusing to hear someone comparing a forum that has been in existence for only a few years to one that's been around a lot longer, and trying to draw some sort of conclusion from that.

If THR had a pruning function, say of two years, there would be a heck of a lot fewer members here. Many people join, post a couple of times, and move on, never to be heard of again.

THR is good fun. However, like most other large forums, it has developed it's own groups, and it's own biases. The good part is that it's pretty much all opinion, anyway. We all know about those opinions, too.

If I'm looking for information on a specific brand, and model, I always look at the Boards dedicated to that brand. While I expect that they will be at least a little biased, they feature hands-on experience with new, and also rare, guns in the marque. I take it with a grain of salt, and not the Ibuprofen often required when the anecdotal experts arrive to down-rate everything on non-specific Boards.

weregunner
April 7, 2012, 02:00 AM
And no one's ox was gored. Mine wasn't, and no there is not only one source for Taurus. Never said that. What is said is that you folks seem to think there is only one source.

You and you only.

Not necessarily THR or gun specific forums are ever the only other choice.

I said I look at all the factors at the various gun forums, but where most of the info actually is found is by going to the specific forums. Goes for other people as well.

Don't try to put words in the mouth or draw conclusions because of faulty fuzzy logic used by many of the respondents here or from the past.

THR is fun, but there are quite a few who do not know me,never will, and are trying to pass judgment ,faulty at that, on a person.

There are plenty of threads and posts in the archives where other brands are given by yours truly. ANd never has it been stated that the another forum is superior to another.

What's being said is where most of the users congregate are where the info and data will be found. The general populations for other brands are the same way. They congregate at the gun specific forums.

They might be members of other forums as well,large or small. Bring up the data that shows all those people congregate here.

Springfield owners are going to rub shoulders with other Springfield users for the most part. Same for other brands,makes,and models. Or they'll rub shoulders with who ever they want.

As far as opinions go like ears we all got them. Luckily the opnions are not fact.

That makes those with no experience with a certain brand irrelevant.

Data they have not,facts they have not. ;)

weregunner
April 7, 2012, 02:32 AM
Saw a query for a gun model that could have had valid and a lot of data from the actual owners in a neat package for the person who made the query.

Found out he doesn't really want that data. Okay,fine.Why would anyone of the right mind and common sense tell someone that the package of data is not wanted even though the data is from the actual owners and their experience with it.
"Wanna find out about Ford Pickups"
"Okay,here's data from the Ford pickup forum".

"Don' wan it!"

"Why?"

"It comes from Ford owners and they're biased."

I can just see this. Mayonaise Clinic :

"Want data for operating for lung cancer?"

Respondent:" No, I'll go over to General Horsepistol and see if they have it. Too many docs here from your clinic here operate on lung cancer. They're biased because they operate on lung cancer.
"Besides, General is bigger than Mayonaise is. "

So what? Like it was said. There are plenty of people here... who come and go to other gun forums and are never seen again.

I can point to a Keltec forum or forums and show that a lot of the people who know about them are there. That's where the source for most data is going to be with dealing with Keltec firearms. They are really there. Not a product of the imagination.

Nor do I assume things about the brand or the people who own them.

Same goes for Beretta. If I want to know about Beretta shotguns the Beretta forum dealing with those is a good place to go. So is here, but a majority of respondents and data are there with those people who own them. Foibles and operating characteristics that are not in the manuals are not something found at the commercial gun sites. You get that kind of thing from the individual owners.

Yes, I'll get some feedback from some owners here. So take what is available. No problem. The majority of Beretta shotgun owners are at the Beretta forum. Not at this non specific gun forum or at any other non specific gun forum. So, you pool what you find out,sift out the wheat from the chaff. That's after collecting the data. Then you find out if it passes the smell test. Then one goes and finds actual examples of that gun. Inspect it closely. If it passes common sense and a checklist inspection of what to look for in a gun,no problem.

If all available data from many sources (media, other people,etc.) check out then it's time to decide to buy or not.

I think some these guys might be from Rio Lindo. Got to draw pictures and talk slow to them. Then do it all over again or it would have been seen the first time.

weregunner
April 7, 2012, 02:46 AM
Here it is and the OP has not responded to the people who have given him what he asked for.

weregunner
April 7, 2012, 02:53 AM
This is not about THR overall. It is about the fact other places as well as here have good data and can be used as a reference.

weregunner
April 7, 2012, 02:56 AM
By the way let it go for the record that I have picked up good data from here at times and added it to what was known.

I thank THR for being here.

weregunner
April 7, 2012, 03:00 AM
By the way this is supposed to be about the Taurus 445. That's what is supposed to be discussed.

No one is helping the OP on that note.

I did not see a plethora or overwhelming number of Taurus 445 owners pouring in here to help.

A couple maybe.

Nothing wrong with THR.

The few guys who said there were a lot or plenty of them, where are they?

None of us are that big and bad enough to scare off the actual owners.

I actually used data from here to help buy my Beretta 85 and CZ83. Those respondents told it like it was.

-eaux-
April 7, 2012, 03:30 AM
No ruffled feathers. I just see whats going on here and am not going to participate.

wow, really?

weregunner
April 7, 2012, 05:46 AM
Hey,it's tag team time. :)

oldfool
April 7, 2012, 06:31 AM
"this is supposed to be about the Taurus 445"

THR search function tags
"Taurus 445 44 special", 165 hits

oldfool
April 7, 2012, 06:40 AM
"this is supposed to be about the Taurus 445"

THR search function tags
"taurusarmed.net", 494 hits

THR search function tags
"taurusarmed.net" + username "weregunner", 323 hits

THR search function tags
"taurusarmed.net" + username "oldfool", 6 hits

THR search function tags
"Taurus 445" + username "weregunner", 4 hits


PS
suggest checking out those 165 hits, as being more relevant to topic

oldfool
April 7, 2012, 08:05 AM
"this is supposed to be about the Taurus 445"

THR search function tags, re: those aforementioned 4 hits

Old Fuff sez in one of those four
"I have one, and consider it to be a delight... I also have an older Charter Arms. It has proved to be satisfactory, but both the revolver's weight and construction is lighter.
In this kind of platform (big-bore snubby) I prefer the additional weight. Others might differ."
longspurr sez -
"I have a 445 5 shooter. It is as accurate as I can get a snubby and shoots close to point of aim.
When first purchased I got 1 or 2 lite strikes per cylinder. A trip to Taurus customer repair and it is now reliable both SA and DA.
This gun was purchased new approx 10 years ago."
weregunner sez -
http://www.taurusarmed.net/forums/ta...-445-ul-2.html

in another of thse 4 threads -
weregunner sez -
"I'm not going to get one,"
(but mentions three others and a Taurus 357)

in another of those 4 threads -
weregunner sez - er.. posts
14 links to taurusarmed.net
(about half of which were on the 445)
joed sez -
I've had a 445 for about 5 years now and love it.
krehmkej sez -
I have had a similar model, the 441, for many years. Enjoy shooting it


hope that helps
(at least it's on topic)
me just ain't interested enough to read 491 "Taurus 44 special" or 165 "Taurus 445 44 special" threads
(much less 494 or 323 threads)

HiVel1
April 7, 2012, 09:22 AM
Thanks Stainz for a bit of santy in an insane world. Holy cow.

TennJed
April 7, 2012, 02:56 PM
By the way this is supposed to be about the Taurus 445. That's what is supposed to be discussed.

No one is helping the OP on that note.

was.
was going to help until I saw the "prejudice" thing. It's the people who actually own them who are there and that is prejudice? Wow!

Are you surprised that that no one is helping the OP? Go back and read the first reply by YOU refusing to help him. Kinda set the tone for the thread don't you think?

SwampWolf
April 7, 2012, 04:31 PM
Predjuiced should be replaced by biased.

:confused: Not sure I understand the distinction. Either word suggests a position based on "a preconceived judgment or opinion". It doesn't bother me that a forum dedicated to a specific brand might tend to be biased in a positive sense toward that brand. I would be surprised if that wasn't the case. But that possible reality doesn't mean that the probably favorable bias (prejudice) that the brand dedicated forum might have isn't at least partially offset by the experiences with that brand as reported by people who are generally more familiar with and actually use it.
It's for these reasons that I find both types of forums (general firearm-related [as is The High Road] and brand specific) useful-understanding, of course, that neither are necessarily gospel.

old4x4
April 7, 2012, 05:24 PM
Stainz, Now that I recall, I had a chance to get a 296, but I like the choice of single action. What I meant (and wasn't clear at all about it) was I'd like to see a 5 shot 44 Mag. THAT would be nice. I'd buy one right now if they existed..

oldfool
April 8, 2012, 09:23 AM
I agree with Swampwolf and others here re: both brand sponsored and non-branded forums having value to offer, including taurusarmed.net
(I never said different)
I own 17 brands of firearms and have surfed branded forums on all of them, plus some, although currently being more interested in whatever brand #18 might next be. Just one of the reasons I spend most of my surfing time on THR and other non-branded forums.

OFF TOPIC,
not being about Taurus 445, which seems to have won high marks in this one
(I saw not one negative comment in text here on the 445, but I did not read all search links found)

from our esteemed unbiased brethren over yonder
and with apologies aforehand to all poor schleps and pathetic people everywhere

Qwiks draw sez -
They've got one going now in the Revolver Department about the Taurus 445. The guy who started it said he would not take any data from here because THR was better. I took it to task and then it turned out it was not a actual for real query. It was set up as bait. Then the anti-group name called in and lied all over again.

Some poor schlep actually thought it was a legit query and tried to give real data. He was cast aside by them. I pulled out quickly.
They all said that gun specific data was considered as too biased and colored and therefore not relevant.
What horse hockey. Then they declared that only THR members' "opinions" are what counts. No one else's does. I took on the absurdity of that and then left.

Real people with common sense will see things for what it is.
They are pathetic over there.


Quote Originally Posted by JR View Post
Oh, my, perhaps I'll play, then.

If factual information gathered from a Board Specific location is inadmissable, then what about all of the "I heard", or "my friends have", or even personal experience?
Wouldn't that be just the same, biased?

As far as "THR opinions" being all that counts?
I need to copy that statement.
It will return again and again, thread after thread, over there.
Anyone who talks about "how many are made" or anything else supported by facts will be smacked upside the head by it.
This could be FUN.

(Qd replies) Set them up even more.




PS
some 'truths' in Qwiks draw's public domain statement above strike me as just a tad skewed (some examples I highlighted in blue),
I am probably just being a bit peevish and/or shamefully biased, but I do find it tiresome when so oft repeated by same posters here on THR

sorry about all that
do let us know how that 445 works for you, if you go for it
always interested in hands on user experience

in the meantime, HiVel1 - "Appreciate the info-will look at the Taurus site"
good idea... but do try not to get yourself smacked upside the head :eek:

HiVel1
April 8, 2012, 10:42 AM
I can guarantee all concerned I will never buy a Taurus anything, ever.
I got all the info I need.Thanks.
I am not prejudiced -look it up in the dictionary. Merriam Webster's Collegiate , 10th edition says it means a couple of different things. My choice of meaning is: "preconceived judgement or opinion", not the legal or the newer "PC" meanings of the word. End of thread for me. Bye

ironhead7544
April 8, 2012, 09:00 PM
Stainz, Now that I recall, I had a chance to get a 296, but I like the choice of single action. What I meant (and wasn't clear at all about it) was I'd like to see a 5 shot 44 Mag. THAT would be nice. I'd buy one right now if they existed..
Taurus Tracker. Had one and wish I had it back. 34 oz. Porting tamed recoil. Size of a M19 S&W.

Concerning the 44 Special, I like it . Might get one. Had a 4 inch 441 and would like it back, too.

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