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PaulKersey3
April 5, 2012, 02:48 AM
Completely a matter of taste (and endless fun debate)
What is your ONE pick for a sidearm if you were (theoretically of course) a deep cover operative? All agents welcome, from Tuxedo wearing, Stoli sipping Bond, to Beer swilling Sam Axe in a dirty Hawaiian shirt!

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Certaindeaf
April 5, 2012, 02:51 AM
Woodsman. 4".

Rail Driver
April 5, 2012, 02:56 AM
High polish blued Colt 1911 with ivory stocks. (Colt Gov't .380 in same configuration for deep cover)

allaroundhunter
April 5, 2012, 02:57 AM
http://www.aacblog.com/wp-content/uploads/IMG_2340-600x450.jpg

Suppressed Nighthawk 1911....because I wouldn't want to go through all that training and be stuck with a .32 ACP :neener:

firesky101
April 5, 2012, 02:59 AM
soviet s4m pistol.

http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2008/12/18/kgb-ultra-silent-pistols-still-in-active-use/

or any of its piston cartridge based variants.

Jim Watson
April 5, 2012, 03:03 AM
Depends on where I am working.
Something locally common and unremarkable.
Serviceable and reliable, of course.
As Matt Helm said, you are more likely to have to get rid of a gun quickly than to shoot somebody with it.

doc2rn
April 5, 2012, 03:36 AM
Something so generic as to be unnoticable like a Glock 19.

JohnBiltz
April 5, 2012, 03:50 AM
Whatever the locals are carrying.

Quiet
April 5, 2012, 04:43 AM
Whatever the locals are carrying.
Winner!
Anything else would cause you to stick out and could blow your cover as a deep undercover operative.

thedriver101
April 5, 2012, 04:51 AM
Agreed on carrying like a local. A suppressed 9mm would be preferable. Secret agents cant be too choosey (45s would only blend in stateside). A Glock, Beretta, or SIG would probably work for most of the world though.

But personally, I'd rather go with a 1911 officer finished in royal blue :cool:

Roan
April 5, 2012, 08:53 AM
Local and subdued? Nonsense. Just because you are a deep cover agent whose very life depends on not sticking out doesn't mean you can't have a sense of style. Look at James Bond, carrying a Walther PPK in places where it would surely be noticed immediately as a foreign agent weapon. Therefore I would take my FNP-45 Tactical in Flat Dark Earth with threaded barrel. That way, I can suppress it, have a large capacity with a powerful firearm, and irk anyone watching as I pull it out of concealment beneath a flimsy shirt that clearly couldn't have concealed it in the first place.

MtnCreek
April 5, 2012, 09:05 AM
What is your ONE pick for a sidearm if you were (theoretically of course) a deep cover operative?

Whatever the locals are carrying.

Yep, which probably means no sidearm. Deep cover operatives are probably too valuable to have them shooting people.

BSA1
April 5, 2012, 09:09 AM
I can't tell you. It's a secret. ssssh!

Averageman
April 5, 2012, 09:10 AM
G19 with a RMR and supressor.

Carl N. Brown
April 5, 2012, 09:14 AM
The most common gun available in the area of operations ("sanitized" with no ties to your country of origin).

Most areas the common gun in black market circulation is the current issue military or police sidearm, which are also guns that show up commonly in international arms smuggling. (UK has a lot of East European military sidearms showing up, for instance).

ASIDE: Walther PPK has actually been a common export since 1931.

Jeff H
April 5, 2012, 09:17 AM
Look at James Bond, carrying a Walther PPK in places where it would surely be noticed immediately as a foreign agent weapon.

But,
He needs all of his other cool toys to get out of trouble. Unless you have the unlimited resources, your better off not attracting attention.

mgregg85
April 5, 2012, 09:21 AM
Give me a threaded HK P7 and a osprey 9mm suppressor.

hso
April 5, 2012, 09:24 AM
BHPs were so ubiquitous that they could be had nearly anywhere in the world along with ammunition for them.

Old Guy
April 5, 2012, 09:26 AM
Yes, and 100 times yes! Glock19.

JDBoardman
April 5, 2012, 09:32 AM
RG .22 revolver - If anyone saw it, their thoughts would be "what a poor schmuck carrying that POS...". No way would they suspect I was a secrect agent man...

Ian
April 5, 2012, 10:07 AM
A dart-firing, grenade-launching "Bigot" 1911. :evil:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Bgb4SGTgDY

Tipro
April 5, 2012, 10:32 AM
By the time James Bond draws his weapon, he's already been compromised, and you're already dead!

loadedround
April 5, 2012, 10:52 AM
Never could be a secret agent man simply because I'm more of a Dirty Harry type. Never liked those little "water pistol" type guns. :)

Pilot
April 5, 2012, 10:53 AM
A GyroJet.

http://i606.photobucket.com/albums/tt146/robinsondkevin/gyrojet.jpg

http://i1009.photobucket.com/albums/af218/Pat_Cannon/guns/GyroJet.jpg

Loosedhorse
April 5, 2012, 10:56 AM
Whatever the locals are carrying.Absolutely. Either a J-frame snub, or a Glock fotay.

And M can supply the bullets that bend around corners.

The-Reaver
April 5, 2012, 11:05 AM
http://heizerfirearms.com/

LOL!

Probably a Colt New Agent.

303tom
April 5, 2012, 11:16 AM
Something Slim & Powerful, like say a TT..............

Kingcreek
April 5, 2012, 12:11 PM
A family member married an honest-to-god former foreign spook 40 years ago. He had a belgian FN Highpower that he brought out to the farm to shoot once. I swear to the almighty it had no serial number. and he could really shoot that thing.

The-Reaver
April 5, 2012, 12:12 PM
King; It had no serial number, or the serial number was taken off of it?

gym
April 5, 2012, 12:20 PM
Emp with a threaded barrel, in 40

bannockburn
April 5, 2012, 12:25 PM
I think a Kahr Mk9 Elite would do quite nicely for a CIA operative that was the American equivalent to James Bond.

wannabeagunsmith
April 5, 2012, 12:27 PM
Any full or compact sized Glock

dprice3844444
April 5, 2012, 12:30 PM
makarov

LJ-MosinFreak-Buck
April 5, 2012, 12:40 PM
With my frame, I can conceal a full-sized Glock (G22) with an IWB carry. And it's quite comfortable, too. So, that would probably be my choice.

svtruth
April 5, 2012, 12:49 PM
I could tell you, but I'd have to kill you

JERRY
April 5, 2012, 12:59 PM
why an ASP of course.

Certaindeaf
April 5, 2012, 01:09 PM
Colt 1903/8 in .380. I'd be called the "anti-"Q""! yea!

Kingcreek
April 5, 2012, 01:13 PM
King; It had no serial number, or the serial number was taken off of it?
no serial number. didn't look like it ever had one.

Ramone
April 5, 2012, 01:43 PM
Ok, lets get the old guys vote:

The U.N.C.L.E. gun:

http://theunclegun.com/

Certaindeaf
April 5, 2012, 01:55 PM
Half of these guys are right.. the P-35 is probably the most common handgun on the planet.
It works pretty good too.. go figure.

Captain33036
April 5, 2012, 02:59 PM
It would not be a Walther PPK.

Mine would be a SIG P228.

Or...depending on dress code...a Kimber Ultra in .45acp (with full sized 1911 magazine, Xgrip extender...for the extra round).

Dr.Rob
April 5, 2012, 04:01 PM
Avalon Hill games answered this question with the Q branch multi role pistol, more or less an HK 4 that could be had in .22, .32, .380 or 9mm Makarov.

I'd think a Makarov or a BHP would fit the bill just about any place.

Tinpig
April 5, 2012, 04:42 PM
This is what some OSS operatives were issued in WWII:

http://world.guns.ru/userfiles/images/handguns/usa/6/1287749771.jpg

Suppressed High Standard HDM.
Quiet and presumably effective at close range.

Tinpig

4v50 Gary
April 5, 2012, 04:48 PM
I will eliminate the foe from the comfort of my living room (or toilet seat) with mere thought alone. ;)

Water-Man
April 5, 2012, 04:50 PM
By the way, the new Bond is drinking beer. :cool:

mdauben
April 5, 2012, 05:05 PM
What is your ONE pick for a sidearm if you were (theoretically of course) a deep cover operative?
I'd have to pick the ASP 9mm. I've always been facinated by this pistol since I first read about it back inthe 70's.

This was a custom pistol based on the Smith & Wesson Model 39 pistol, made by a small company in New York. The customization included a shortened slide; a fixed bushing (in lieu of the Smith and Wesson designed collet bushing); the unique Guttersnipe sight system; clear Lexan grip-panels; a fully ramped and throated, shortened barrel; and a smoothed and radiused profile to ensure no risk of snagging on the draw.

http://www.jamesbondlifestyle.com/images/articles/110401-Asp-9mm-2.jpg

Unfortunatly, they were only produced in very limited numbers and are expensive collectors items now.

AirForceShooter
April 5, 2012, 05:08 PM
A deep cover secret agent.

Probably wouldn't have a gun at all.

AFS

Sig Bill
April 5, 2012, 05:44 PM
C'mon, don't be a wuss, carry a 500 express. :D

Certaindeaf
April 5, 2012, 06:18 PM
A deep cover secret agent.
Probably wouldn't have a gun at all.
AFS
The world is your oyster! perhaps.

Cosmoline
April 5, 2012, 06:49 PM
A Colt Detective Special with hammer shroud and T-Grips in a Seventrees holster. If I die, I die classy.

Speaking of Seventrees, a real life "Q", Paris Theodore, was quite an interesting character:

http://www.thegunzone.com/people/paris_theodore.html

Shady life but he really was the designer of a lot of spooky gun gear some of which is no doubt still in use.

bluethunder1962
April 5, 2012, 07:11 PM
duh you ever watch james bond? PPK I carry one and it makes me feel like a 00 agent.

stumpers
April 5, 2012, 07:23 PM
I'd probably go with a Rohrbaugh R9 for deep cover...assuming a handgun was not part of the cover character and needed to be secret.

Secret agent, licensed to kill, on James Bond style missions? Something suppressed - .32 ACP or larger.

bluethunder1962
April 5, 2012, 07:29 PM
Only thing Bond did not want to change to the PPK. He tried to keep his berreta

rswartsell
April 5, 2012, 07:50 PM
Colt DS

Infidel4life11
April 5, 2012, 07:52 PM
A freaking ninja sword duh! Just kidding S&W M&P Spec ops 9mm and a tomahawk.

highlander 5
April 5, 2012, 07:58 PM
Walther P 38 "The Man From U.N.C.L.E." or like Charles Vine "The Second Best Secret Agent" Broomhandle Mauser.

XD 45acp
April 5, 2012, 08:02 PM
If I was able to carry, it would be a 638 Smith. Be my luck I was undercover in a speedo though.... me in a speedo,.. there's something that makes you go UGH!!
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v326/ATAShooter/638.jpg

bluethunder1962
April 5, 2012, 08:04 PM
XD just get you a big supressor

cooldude14
April 5, 2012, 08:13 PM
Obrez Mosin Nagant you dont want to look like a sissy hahah.
No kidding maybe a Beretta m1934 with nickel plating, or a Dreyse M1907 pistol for a little unique twist.

dprice3844444
April 5, 2012, 08:17 PM
I'd have to pick the ASP 9mm. customized by paris theodore of 7 trees limited out of ny.some of the old mitch werbel crew out of powder springs ga

old4x4
April 5, 2012, 08:47 PM
Browning Buckmark. Suppressed, of course.

khegglie
April 5, 2012, 09:09 PM
CZ 70 and 2 spare mags in the cumberbund

parsimonious_instead
April 5, 2012, 09:30 PM
A P-64 - a slick lookalike of the Walther with plenty of oomph (9x18 Makarov). And on top of that, in this fictional pseudo-Bond scenario, I'd leave the shell casings lying where they fell, so they suspect it's a turncoat, and not me!

SharpsDressedMan
April 5, 2012, 11:24 PM
Beretta M21 .22LR, with a small wet can. Everything I would need to do the "00" dirty deed (licensed to kill).

Swing
April 5, 2012, 11:28 PM
Depends. Bond, the PPK. Leiter, the M1911. Yah, I'm going with Leiter. ;)

Swing
April 5, 2012, 11:34 PM
The U.N.C.L.E. gun:

LMAO! Sorry for the double post, but damn, that brings back some (hilarious) memories.

PaulKersey3
April 6, 2012, 01:13 AM
Okay, there I go starting a thread and didn't put my pick. I'd choose a G19 hands down. I'm very precise with the one I own, and 9mm can be found anywhere. I really live the ASP by seventrees. Very cool, very spy. I'm also a fan of my lick breech llama .380. Dead accurate, tough as nails and a 2/3 scale 1911 that's flat and sexy. I'd take any beretta 70 or 1934/35 series as well in .32, .380 or .22lr

Quiet
April 6, 2012, 03:51 AM
Only thing Bond did not want to change to the PPK. He tried to keep his berreta
Yep. He was happy with his .25ACP Beretta and they forced him to upgrade to the more powerfull .32ACP Walther PPK.

JohnnyOrygun
April 6, 2012, 03:52 AM
Easy.... A Beretta 93R with a folding stock and a 44 Automag. I read a lot as a kid, I wonder if any of the younger members know who inspired my choices? And no, it wasn't Dirty Harry or any movie with Steven Seagal in it. I know my choices aren't very good for deep cover, but they worked well for my literary hero :)

mes228
April 6, 2012, 09:20 AM
The OP question has already been answered in real life. The CIA Agent in Pakistan that took out two robbers (or as some say two kidnappers). And was then arrested and imprisoned until we paid millions $$$ to free him. The Police filmed and revealed what he carried on him. I thought the list was interesting and informational. Among the things listed was Glock 19 and 5 magazines and 75 extra rounds of ammo. Looks to me, he was prepared to "run and gun" in his everyday life. Turns out he needed to be prepared. So there's the answer. A deep cover Diplomatic spy that really was a CIA Agent carried a Glock 19. I've owned well over a hundred pistols and I cannot fault his choice even a tiny bit. I also carry a 19 or a 23 the vast majority of time.

mbt2001
April 6, 2012, 01:45 PM
If I carried it would be a Sig 239.

k-frame
April 6, 2012, 03:11 PM
Ok, lets get the old guys vote:

The U.N.C.L.E. gun:

http://theunclegun.com/

I actually had that gun. :)

http://theunclegun.com/imgs%20gallery/DreamToyUNCLEgun.JPG

And no orange tip back then!

SharpsDressedMan
April 6, 2012, 05:30 PM
Check out Mr. Ferguson for the first AND last word on U.N.C.L.E. guns. He has kept the fire burning, and his client have even created life firing versions (the originals, of course, weare adapted for blanks). http://www.theunclegun.com/

PaulKersey3
April 8, 2012, 01:45 AM
The ASP 9MM

Gunnerboy
April 8, 2012, 03:26 PM
Ill be a pain in someones side and say a HK mp7

Ragnar Danneskjold
April 8, 2012, 03:51 PM
If I needed a gun, it would be whatever POS handgun I could buy off the street to be used and tossed.

Your real weapon would be a rock solid identity and backstory, and maybe a few disposable passports if SHTF. Spies generally do very little killing. It's intelligence gathering, not assassination. When "wet jobs" are needed, it's usually contracted out to locals so that it can't be traced back to official channels. And that is very rare.


Not to be a spoilsport and to answer the actual question, I would pick an HK P30 =)

zxcvbob
April 8, 2012, 03:57 PM
an icepick.

devans0
April 8, 2012, 11:47 PM
That plastic gun that wouldn't show up on scanners or x-rays.

az_imuth
April 9, 2012, 09:56 AM
I'd use my "Secret" Special Agent boot knife, of course. Unlike those noisy guns, it's completely silent, although a bit messy.:rolleyes:
http://i498.photobucket.com/albums/rr348/az_imuth/Old%20Album/kershaw_sa780s.jpg

fasttheo
April 10, 2012, 05:21 PM
The Equalizer's "ballistic knife" (fast forward to 1:00)

http://youtu.be/BFwm98phlIQ

ForumSurfer
April 10, 2012, 05:33 PM
To quote John McLane..."That punk pull a Glock 7 on me, you know what that is?
It's a porcelain gun made in Gemany. Didn't show upon your
airport X-Ray machine here, and it cost more than what you make
in a month."

:neener:

I'd expect I'd go with whatever fit my cover story. I can't be some poor guy on the come-up in the local gang if I'm packing a $4000, 6" 10mm STI and I can't infiltrate some high stakes Texan oil baron/Embezzlement ring with a .32 chrome Jennings.

Jim K
April 10, 2012, 10:30 PM
Too many people watch too much James Bond nonsense. Spies don't carry guns. Period. An agent who is caught or even questioned might talk his way out of trouble. But an agent caught carrying a gun will have a very short acquaintance with the target country's "justice" system.

Jim

Certaindeaf
April 10, 2012, 10:50 PM
^
So you're a proponent of ye olde cyanide capsule?

PaulKersey3
April 10, 2012, 10:51 PM
So that diplomat (blown agent) in Pakistan killed those ISI motorcycle punks with kindness? C'mon dude!

DAP90
April 10, 2012, 10:57 PM
This one

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M8GrN83VITM

Don't mind me and my flashlight

CZguy
April 10, 2012, 11:21 PM
Too many people watch too much James Bond nonsense. Spies don't carry guns. Period. An agent who is caught or even questioned might talk his way out of trouble. But an agent caught carrying a gun will have a very short acquaintance with the target country's "justice" system.

No, no, no..........sixty years worth of Hollywood movies shattered. :D

SharpsDressedMan
April 11, 2012, 01:11 AM
But isn't that the measure of an agent? The good ones don't get caught............:D As far as Bond, forget the movies. Read the books. Most of the time Bond WAS unarmed, but was "licensed" on certain occasions to kill a designated enemy or agent. For that, the little Beretta was the choice. At the time (1950's), it could probably have been smuggled into most countries, and used at contact distance to assassinate the target. Fleming came from a time and place where real agents did exactly that, and gleaned his knowledge of clandestine operations from those in the field.

sawdeanz
April 11, 2012, 01:31 AM
How about a suppressed Nagant Revolver? Quieter than an auto and no cases left behind.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vvF4yurWSc0

talldragon
April 11, 2012, 01:56 AM
Since this is all imaginary,I would go with this one: 162543

Pilot
April 11, 2012, 09:20 AM
Ill be a pain in someones side and say a HK mp7


If you mean the HK P7, I would tend to agree. I've always thought that should have been the "Bond" gun once it was introduced in the 70's, but as Bond was largely a Walther guy, they gave him a Walther P-5 at one point which is another good choice. Interestingly similar to the U.N.C.L.E. P-38. ;)

mac66
April 11, 2012, 02:02 PM
In the books, James Bond carried a variety of handguns including a "long barrel Colt 45" which he always kept under the dash board of his Aston Martin. He also carried a Smith and Wesson 38 spl. snub nose in at least one of his books as well as a bunch of other pistols. His Beretta was a .25 acp and his Walther was a .32 acp.

It is pretty clear from reading the books that author Ian Fleming didn't know much about guns.

If is was me, I would be happy with one of those ".25 calibre", take down sniper rifles Bond used to shoot down a helicopter and kill bad guys.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v489/mac66/s-frwl-1-2230-ar7-rifle.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v489/mac66/3f34.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v489/mac66/frwl-2-4553-james-bond.jpg

Maxwell Smart used one made up to look like a Thompson

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v489/mac66/96c8.jpg

mac66
April 11, 2012, 02:20 PM
How about the "I Spy" tv series guys Robert Culp and Bill Cosby

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v489/mac66/Robert-culp-dies-age-79.jpg

EvilGenius
April 11, 2012, 02:25 PM
http://images.wikia.com/military/images/6/68/CZ_75_SP-01.jpg

With the same suppressor that hickok45 had on the HK 45 tactical, but in flat black.

Edit:

And/or one of these.

http://www.imfdb.org/w/images/thumb/6/6c/MagpulFMG-9.jpg/450px-MagpulFMG-9.jpg

PaulKersey3
April 11, 2012, 03:53 PM
Fleming himself carried a 6.35mm baby Browning when he was in Brit Naval Intelligence during the war. When he later armed Bond in his novels with the Beretta M418 it was from experience. An actual armorer who was the inspiration for Q wrote Fleming complaining about Bond's anemic "lady pistol" and encouraged Fleming to rearm Bind with something a little harder hitting. A guy did a Bond 418 beretta custom job a few years back. I'll see if I can dig up the pics.

PaulKersey3
April 11, 2012, 04:05 PM
Skeletonized like it sez in the book!

SharpsDressedMan
April 11, 2012, 07:46 PM
^^^Very unique reverse threading; very rarely seen. You can poo-poo the Bond books, but they are more real world than the movies. To think that the setup above (Beretta .25) with suppressor) would not be effective is being a little naive. A .25 in the throat, towards the brain, or in the eye, is about as deadly as it gets. A bullet doesn't have to penetrate skull, or bouce off bones if the shooter is very close to the target. Once again, a skilled agent tries not to get into running gunfights, but may be tasked to eliminate an enemy at close range. For long range, we have rifles. http://i106.photobucket.com/albums/m247/matquig/DSC06239.jpg http://i106.photobucket.com/albums/m247/matquig/DSC06240.jpg ^^^^^^^^^^^Two reason why Fleming might have liked these guns.

Ryanxia
April 12, 2012, 05:51 PM
I hate to be boring but I'm thinking Glock 23 in 9mm with suppressor.

stonecutter2
April 12, 2012, 08:23 PM
Suppressed Walther TPH .22LR.

Less noise, less mess.

No need to blow through their skull, just into it.

Tango57
April 12, 2012, 08:46 PM
IF I were a spy, I'd be a cool one, of course. And what would be cooler than a Gyrojet?


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk when i should have been doing something useful

x_wrench
April 14, 2012, 10:32 AM
a nuclear rifle! lol. more likely a ruger lc9. very concealable, just enough (barely) power, and a nice flat basic black. what else could you ask for? i'd keep the nuclear rifle back at the hotel room for back up.

SharpsDressedMan
April 14, 2012, 04:39 PM
We could ask some real secret agents, but then they would have to kill us.............:uhoh:

AlexanderA
April 15, 2012, 12:06 AM
No firearm, or anything that is obviously a weapon. Bare hands, a piece of piano wire, a piece of broken glass, a screwdriver, that sort of thing. The biggest advantage would be the element of surprise. We're not talking about legal defensive uses here. This is nasty, nasty stuff, and probably outside the scope of the The High Road.

barnbwt
April 15, 2012, 11:34 PM
"I don't use guns, guns are fruity"

"THIS is my field-kit" (gestures with knife)

-Agent Brock Samson, OSI

EvilGenius
April 16, 2012, 11:42 AM
"I don't use guns, guns are fruity"

"THIS is my field-kit" (gestures with knife)

-Agent Brock Samson, OSI
"I once watched him kill a guy with a sock full of snap-pops." - Hank Venture

Carl Levitian
April 16, 2012, 03:12 PM
"No firearm, or anything that is obviously a weapon. Bare hands, a piece of piano wire, a piece of broken glass, a screwdriver, that sort of thing. The biggest advantage would be the element of surprise. We're not talking about legal defensive uses here. This is nasty, nasty stuff, and probably outside the scope of the The High Road."

Probably the most correct post on this whole thread.

Certaindeaf
April 16, 2012, 03:20 PM
Maxwell Smartphone would know what to do. Yep.

http://hackadaycom.files.wordpress.com/2009/02/smartphone.jpg

PaulKersey3
April 26, 2012, 06:28 AM
Paris Theodore, the designer and creator of the ASP 9mm, also specialized in holsters for deep concealment for operatives. Just thought I'd throw this one in there.

Sgt_R
April 26, 2012, 06:52 AM
Deep cover?

A ton of physical conditioning, hand to hand training, and a Zebra F-701 ballpoint pen. If I absolutely had to carry a handgun for some reason: untracable, concealable, and ubiquitous (in that order) would be more important than the particular make and model.

R

MisterMike
April 26, 2012, 09:40 AM
I've carried one of these since I was 7 years old:

http://image.timepassagesnostalgia.com/watermarked/imagesf1/f182cameraa.jpg

easyg
April 26, 2012, 01:12 PM
Ruger LCR .38 special....

http://i112.photobucket.com/albums/n165/allenXdog/photobucket-1946-1331253546956.jpg

dubya450
April 26, 2012, 01:42 PM
Either a FN five-seven or FN fnp-45 tactical and some suppressor.

Robbins290
April 26, 2012, 09:22 PM
I would put a can on one of my m1895 nagants. No shells left behind :-)

Jim K
April 26, 2012, 09:45 PM
First, there is a difference between a spy and a saboteur. A spy gathers information; a saboteur tries to damage the enemy by direct action.

Well, I have known a few real spies (ours) and am still alive. I never knew one of the other side's, but I doubt it was much different. Forget the fiction nonsense; the most effective spies ever sent against the U.S. were Julius and Ethel Rosenberg and they did not even own a gun, much less carry one. (Can you imagine Julius filling out a NYC application to buy a pistol? Occupation: Soviet spy.)

Nor did any of the other spies, like the Walkers. Hanssen did, but that was because he was an FBI agent, not because he was a spy for Russia.


Jim

Jim K
April 26, 2012, 09:51 PM
Deleted.

FMF Doc
April 26, 2012, 10:31 PM
A Mak of some kind. I don't want to leave an American foot print.

jackblack86
April 26, 2012, 10:44 PM
very simple glock 18 because any spy gun has to be full auto capable cause you cant always count on getting the uzi off of the dead guards body in time to save the world

buggley
April 27, 2012, 12:04 AM
to be honest and not in any way gun snobby i have my super spy guns. my gold and nickel tiger striped 1911, might ad night sights or jewel encrested sights. for my back up it would be my wifes gun, sig p238 in a rainbow titanium finish with a gold barrel and black pearl grips. if im that deep under cover i want to stand out and above the rest. i got the chance to shoot them for the first time since i finished them today. my wife gave me 5 minutes at the range just to check how the feed after being plated. i decided to make the best of it and put out as much as i could in the short time. dual wielding a set of ghetto blasters is freaking awesome. so much fun.
we live next door so i can walk across the street when ever. i think i will make an extra trip to do this again. the only way it could be better is if the off hand had a full size .45. i hate shooting pocket pistols but i love to carry them. the dont feel secure in my hands, i think the are too small for a good grip.

buggley
April 27, 2012, 12:18 AM
i see my self more as the, in it so deep that the good guys dont know im the good guy, the FBIs off the recored right hand man who doesnt exist so i can perty much finish the job how ever i want to, kind of deep. like the Italian guy (no name need mentioned) they hired to go down south to look for the folks kidknapped by the KKK. he got the job done his way and nobody said athing about it. that kind of deep, with a gun that makes its own statement.

pockets
April 27, 2012, 08:38 AM
What is your ONE pick for a sidearm if you were (theoretically of course) a deep cover operative? All agents welcome, from Tuxedo wearing, Stoli sipping Bond
Well.....James Bond carried/kept 3 hand guns originally: Beretta .25acp, .38 snub revolver, and some form of .45 in the Bentley's glove box. That said, James Bond didn't use them much at all.
IN fact, Bond didn't use ANY SIDEARM to become a double-O agent.
His first kill used; "a couple of Remington thirty-thirty's with telescopic sights and silencers"
His second kill; "I chose the bedroom of his flat and a knife. And, well, he just didn't die very quickly." .

I understand he's drinking Heineken now also.

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EvilGenius
April 27, 2012, 11:36 AM
First, there is a difference between a spy and a saboteur. A spy gathers information; a saboteur tries to damage the enemy by direct action.

Well, I have known a few real spies (ours) and am still alive. I never knew one of the other side's, but I doubt it was much different. Forget the fiction nonsense; the most effective spies ever sent against the U.S. were Julius and Ethel Rosenberg and they did not even own a gun, much less carry one. (Can you imagine Julius filling out a NYC application to buy a pistol? Occupation: Soviet spy.)

Nor did any of the other spies, like the Walkers. Hanssen did, but that was because he was an FBI agent, not because he was a spy for Russia.


Jim
True, but i think the point of the thread is to muse about an imaginary world where we could be a cocktail swilling ladykiller spy (and saboteur like I think Bond shouldve been classified as both) like the movies.

Kiln
April 27, 2012, 01:50 PM
That plastic gun that wouldn't show up on scanners or x-rays.
Yeah and don't forget to equip it with the shoulder thing that goes up and load it with some of them fancy teflon coated steel core armor piercing bullets too.

RG .22 revolver - If anyone saw it, their thoughts would be "what a poor schmuck carrying that POS...". No way would they suspect I was a secrect agent man...
Yeah except for some RG revolvers work fine. Despite the fact that their reputation was ruined by their early revolvers, RG10 and RG14, their later guns aren't too bad.

Greg528iT
April 27, 2012, 04:09 PM
A secret agent will not carry any firearm. He will acquire it in the field as required.

PaulKersey3
April 28, 2012, 07:15 AM
Jeez what's with all these buzz kills saying spies don't carry guns? That's like saying carpenters don't carry hammers. LAST YEAR Raymond Davis was under diplomatic cover while SPYING as a SPY in Pakistan. It's said he foiled a kidnapping/murder with his GLOCK 19 by drilling a couple of ISI SPIES with GUNS of their own. Of course operatives use guns, more so now than ever before. It's world war 3 people, let's lighten up a little.

Deaf Smith
April 28, 2012, 08:40 PM
I'm a cold war fan and thus...

http://www.thehighroad.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=140048&d=1302218523

MY secret agent gun!

Yes a Webley IV .380. I got it at a pawns shop a few years ago. Shoots dead on with 148gr RNL ammo.

Deaf

CZguy
April 29, 2012, 12:27 AM
What a great pawnshop find Deaf Smith.

I have a Webley IV in .38 S&W, that I enjoy shooting. Would love to find one like yours.

SFsc616171
April 29, 2012, 11:19 AM
A S&W J-frame Snubby in .38 Special, -maybe- an Airweight, loaded with the FBI load LSWCHP+P 158 grain bullets. No safeties, no slide to rack, oh, and no 'lemon squeezer', either. Two speedloaders, tops. Deep cover means a possibility of a one-person target. J-frames applied sufficiently may also cause a temporary loss of consciousness to 'person necessary to sneak by', without damaging the mechanisms of the gun.

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