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ravenous2110
April 5, 2012, 02:45 PM
I hate to be the guy to ask, but here goes:

My local Walmart has recently added three ARs to their gun rack. One is a Smith and Wesson M&P, one is a Colt, and the other is a Bushmaster. All are chambered in .223, and have 14.5" barrels. The Colt is about $1000, and the BM and S&W are $900.

I am looking for a rifle that is semiautomatic, relatively light maintenance, and fun to shoot (i.e. not a shoulder-slammer). It will be mainly for shooting targets and coyotes at no more than 200 yds.

Would I be wasting my money to purchase one of these ARs?

Any advice you experts can offer is appreciated!

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RCArms.com
April 5, 2012, 02:56 PM
are these 14.5" barrels with a 1.5" Flash hider permanantly attached? The 14.5 is a SBR without the perman attached muzzle device.

Given the price differences (assuming that they are legal 14.5" with perm attach FH or a 16" bbl), the Colt would be the clear winner unless the BM or S&W is loaded up with extras.

Don

dcarch
April 5, 2012, 03:29 PM
Colts have a good reputation. Welcome to The High Road, by the way!

68wj
April 5, 2012, 03:41 PM
I would have thought Wal-mart would have gotten better prices. I was at Academy looking at a tan SigSaur AR (M400) with all magpul furniture for $900.

Next to their Bushmaster ACR for $2400, the Sig looked downright cheap. ;)

Cosmoline
April 5, 2012, 03:57 PM
The length quoted is almost certainly incorrect. They have to be 16"+ barrels. You can get some aftermarket uppers with attached flash hiders but I can't imagine Wally World carries them.

henschman
April 5, 2012, 04:10 PM
I doubt they are 14.5" barrels. Colt and S&W don't even sell rifles with that length barrel. I'm sure they are 16" barrels with carbine-length gas systems... that is the most common setup, and it is what all of the Wal-Marts here are carrying.

As for whether it is a good deal, that does seem to be pretty close to the going rate for those rifles... however, I believe there are better bargains out there overall when it comes to AR's. For instance, you can get everything you need to put together a Palmetto State Armory rifle with all the same mil-spec features of the Colt, for about $650 shipped if you order a stripped lower receiver, a Lower Build Kit, and a complete upper, and put the lower together yourself (which is an easy job that anyone can do). Plus, unlike Colt and S&W, they have different length barrels and gas systems available, so you can actually get that 14.5" barrel if you want (actually theirs is 14.7"), and have something closer to a mil-spec M-4 carbine. Also they sell rifles with mid-length gas systems, which work better with 16" barrels. They also sell 20" rifles with gov't-profile barrels, which those others don't offer.

PSA is the way I would go if I were in the market for an AR... actually, I am! I just placed an order with PSA a couple days ago for everything I need to complete my stripped lower I bought from them several months ago.

mtrmn
April 5, 2012, 04:16 PM
COLT

needmorecowbell
April 5, 2012, 04:46 PM
Get the Colt and shoot away.

ravenous2110
April 6, 2012, 04:04 PM
Oops! Meant 16" barrel. Looking at 2 pages at once. Also yes, it has attached flash suppressor.

Arkansas Paul
April 6, 2012, 06:01 PM
Ours has a Sig 5.56 but I can't remember the price.

Cosmoline
April 6, 2012, 09:18 PM
At that price, go with the Colt.

Geno
April 6, 2012, 10:18 PM
Given the prices, I would select (did select) Colt. By the way, ravenous2110, welcome to THR!

Geno

nwilliams
April 6, 2012, 10:39 PM
The Sig AR is the M400 and the MSRP on it is about $1,100.

So Walmart has it priced just a little under MSRP, which IMHO is no reason to buy one from there instead of buying from your LGS.

gunfighter48
April 6, 2012, 11:31 PM
I have the S&W 15 Sport. Very well made, very accurate, lite weight, easy to handle, with a lifetime warranty. Do a Google search on user reviews before you buy anything. S&W has several other models that are sweet rifles.

ZGunner
April 7, 2012, 04:33 AM
One of my Wal Marts has a DPMS Sportical for 580. Not a bad deal for a cheap AR. If you just want a bargain, there are definitely cheaper options out there. Building your own or ordering a entry model like the M&P15 Sport. Most gun stores can do book price on specific orders like that.

BUCKrub91
April 7, 2012, 04:37 AM
Sure buy one of those rifles preferably the colt... but dont buy it at walmart unless you want them to run all the gun stores out of business like they do every other store

CajunBass
April 7, 2012, 07:07 AM
Sure buy one of those rifles preferably the colt... but dont buy it at walmart unless you want them to run all the gun stores out of business like they do every other store

:rolleyes: Don't people ever get tired of beating this dead horse?

So Walmart has it priced just a little under MSRP, which IMHO is no reason to buy one from there instead of buying from your LGS.

Wal-Mart IS one of my local gun stores. I want them to keep selling guns the same as I do Joe Blow's House O' Heaters. I buy from ALL of them.

CDW4ME
April 7, 2012, 09:19 AM
Wal-Mart here sells the Windham SRC for $799 + tax. You can buy the rifle, but not any .223 ammo to go with it; they have not had any .223 (at that store) in a couple of months.

I bought the Windham SRC from the "local" gunstore at a gunshow. I paid $826 + tax, so it co$t me a little more to support the local guy; but, I was able to buy some Magpul magazines, Magpul sights, and ammo was available too.

jad0110
April 7, 2012, 09:36 AM
I have been underwhelmed by AR prices at WM. For the same $900 they want for an entry level, no frills Bushmaster, I can get an entry level S&W M&P-15 from my LGS for $50 less. Or I can probably build my own with a Bravo Co Mfg flat top upper and PSA lower for less still.

Of those choices though, I'd go with the Colt.

gotigers
April 7, 2012, 12:05 PM
same here. With those choices I'd get the Colt. Otherwise, there are better priced options.

A walmart close to me has those same ARs and a few others. Most notably a DPMS LR308 for $897.

WALKERs210
April 7, 2012, 01:10 PM
Some years ago I was told by a very knowledgeable man that TV's in particular sold at Wal-Mart were "sub standard". Over the years I have learned that Wally World will put just about anything on their shelf's that can be sold a a price that smaller business's can't even buy the product for. A owner of a Pawn/Gun shop told me once that firearms at Wal-Mart were in fact lower quality. I found that hard to believe but it did peak my interest. Any thoughts on this?

Ar180shooter
April 7, 2012, 01:13 PM
For $1000 I'd get the Colt in a second... But that's likely a symptom of Colt 6920's going for over $2k up here...

HOOfan_1
April 7, 2012, 01:43 PM
A owner of a Pawn/Gun shop told me once that firearms at Wal-Mart were in fact lower quality. I found that hard to believe but it did peak my interest. Any thoughts on this?

Well, that owner is a competitor of Wal-Mart so I would take what he says with a double dose of salt.

Second one would have to believe that either the gun companies have a separate "Wal-Mart production line" or the gun companies are doing something that the computer semiconductor world would call "binning", whereby products manufactured on the same line are evaluated on quality and assigned accordingly.

Finally you would have to figure that the gun manufacturers are willing to put their reputation on the line by letting Wal-Mart sell inferior products bearing their logos.

I would believe that Wal-Mart mostly stocks the economy models from the various brands. I do not believe Wal-Mart would sell products inferior to the same models being sold at other establishments. That being said, I have no personal experience with any firearm purchased from Wal-Mart.

kimbershot
April 7, 2012, 01:49 PM
liability issues--wally world would not sell inferior stuff--they have deep pockets and they don't want grubby fingers in them.:evil:

SwampWolf
April 7, 2012, 04:25 PM
Quote:
Sure buy one of those rifles preferably the colt... but dont buy it at walmart unless you want them to run all the gun stores out of business like they do every other store

Don't people ever get tired of beating this dead horse?


Quote:
So Walmart has it priced just a little under MSRP, which IMHO is no reason to buy one from there instead of buying from your LGS.

Wal-Mart IS one of my local gun stores. I want them to keep selling guns the same as I do Joe Blow's House O' Heaters. I buy from ALL of them.

Well said, CajunBass.

Originally Posted by WALKERs210
A owner of a Pawn/Gun shop told me once that firearms at Wal-Mart were in fact lower quality. I found that hard to believe but it did peak my interest. Any thoughts on this?

Pure bs. If anybody believes otherwise, I'd love to see the documented evidence of same.

kenken
April 7, 2012, 07:37 PM
I bought my Colt at Wal Mart about 3 weeks ago and it is just great. It is a 6920 with a LE serial number. Also my Wal Mart has federal xm855 ammo for sale. The gun was $1097.00. Couldn't be happier.

kenken

ranydl
April 7, 2012, 08:20 PM
I don't know anything about AR15 models, but Sportsmens Warehouse had Bushmasters last month for about $660.00 to 675.00? In Oregon (local store no tax).

nwilliams
April 7, 2012, 10:06 PM
Wal-Mart IS one of my local gun stores. I want them to keep selling guns the same as I do Joe Blow's House O' Heaters. I buy from ALL of them.
If that's how you feel then I respect that, I would just prefer to spend the same amount of money at my LGS and support my local business owners instead of feeding the Walmart monster. To each their own.

BUCKrub91
April 7, 2012, 10:17 PM
Don't people ever get tired of beating this dead horse?

Dont people ever get tired of further hurting our economy by buying from walmart just to save a couple bucks?

Not to mention Walmart donates money to anti hunting and fishing organizations... dont be surprised if they send some of the money you spent on that ar15 to the brady campaign one day

JPG19
April 7, 2012, 10:20 PM
Walmart employs millions of people around the world. They make living at a higher standard more affordable for many. I'm happy to vote pro-Walmart via my pocketbook weekly (not to mention Sam Walton is responsible for the very existence of the rather affluent region known as Northwest Arkansas, of which I am a happy resident).

SharkHat
April 7, 2012, 10:22 PM
Some people have just convinced themselves that WalMart is evil. Some people haven't.

68wj
April 7, 2012, 10:53 PM
Unfortunately many LGS's biggest enemy isn't Wal-mart, but themselves. Poor hours, high margin/low volume sales mentality, and snotty counter attitudes. I work for a living and am not going to take a vacation day to shop a store that closes when I get off to pay high markup and be told that I shouldn't buy X when Y is better.

That is an over-generalization of course and I am fortunate to have found some great shops. Big-box is no threat to them and they maintain a loyal customer base.

dubya450
April 8, 2012, 04:19 AM
No personal experience with the colt, although I understand they are great rifles. I own a s&w m&p15 OR and my buddy has an equivalent bushmaster (not sure the exact model) and both have under 2000 rounds through them. My s&w has had only one issue and it was because of a under-loaded round and the finish is holding up a little better than his BM. between the two I'd get the s&w but throw in colt for only $100 more and I'd have to take 'er home. Thats as long as they had the same goodies, or lack thereof, of course.

jwash3rd
April 8, 2012, 06:13 AM
I have nothing against Walmart, I shop there all the time. But what happens if you have a problem? Will the teenager they send over to the gun counter from housewares be able to answer your questions? Will they send it back for warranty work? I get a lot of groceries and ammo at WM but durable goods I prefer to buy elsewhere. Two of the gun shops I go to will send back new guns or replace defective parts for no charge. I got a bad lawn mower at WM and I had to drive it 30 miles to a warranty center. The gas money more than made up for what I saved compared to the Ace Hardware right down the road.

CDW4ME
April 8, 2012, 08:21 AM
Some years ago I was told by a very knowledgeable man that TV's in particular sold at Wal-Mart were "sub standard". Over the years I have learned that Wally World will put just about anything on their shelf's that can be sold a a price that smaller business's can't even buy the product for. A owner of a Pawn/Gun shop told me once that firearms at Wal-Mart were in fact lower quality. I found that hard to believe but it did peak my interest. Any thoughts on this?

A few years ago, the owner of an archery store told me that Wal-Mart sold second quality Muzzy broad heads.
Apparently these companies select the best from the production line and send it to small stores. :scrutiny:

madcratebuilder
April 8, 2012, 09:08 AM
Unfortunately many LGS's biggest enemy isn't Wal-mart, but themselves. Poor hours, high margin/low volume sales mentality, and snotty counter attitudes. I work for a living and am not going to take a vacation day to shop a store that closes when I get off to pay high markup and be told that I shouldn't buy X when Y is better.

That is an over-generalization of course and I am fortunate to have found some great shops. Big-box is no threat to them and they maintain a loyal customer base.
Well said sir!

wheelgunslinger
April 8, 2012, 09:46 AM
A few years ago, the owner of an archery store told me that Wal-Mart sold second quality Muzzy broad heads.
Apparently these companies select the best from the production line and send it to small stores.

That's not far from the mark. I know with electronics and other manufactured products, WM uses their clout to prescribe how products are built to bring prices down.
But, I can't see how WM can do this with firearms, other than some less expensive internals. But, the price difference isn't that great from what a small store can sell for, so it would appear it's an apples:apples comparison.

The thing I like about WM is that I generally don't have to suffer a knowitall clinging to the counter or acting like a piece of the furniture, injecting his opinions (unasked for) into my sale. Generally, every gun shop has some old retired guy or young tactical Ted yammering away at the counter beside me as I try to shop.
WalMart doesn't have that. In fact, I usually have to send up a flare to get an employee back there to make a key or sell me a knife.

I do okay in shops with employees because I know how to steer retail sales employees and get what I want or need. It's the arfcom weirdos that spoil my experience.

Art Eatman
April 8, 2012, 10:14 AM
It looks like the original question has been answered and we surely don't need all the blarney about Wally.

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