In the market for a 45.


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Armedleprechaun
April 6, 2012, 05:01 PM
I'm torn between the Springfield 1911 and the M&P 45. I like the Mil Spec a lot. However, I sold it because, with my dexterity it was hard for me to get the slide stop back in. I love the feel of the 1911. I figured the M&P with thumb safety is the closest I will get to the 1911 feel. So, do I give the Mil Spec another try' Or go with something else.

Thanks,
Armedleprechaun

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9mmepiphany
April 6, 2012, 05:11 PM
The M&P is a modern design which will continue to work though more abuse and less care than the 1911

It is much easier to field strip and re-assemble.

tomrkba
April 6, 2012, 05:24 PM
I have had the best luck with Colt Government Models. I really like the XSE models.

If you're set on a Springfield, take a look at their Loaded line. It's a decent pistol.

JustinJ
April 6, 2012, 07:12 PM
I haven't shot the MP .45 but i love my .40. I also love my Glock 21SF and have as much faith in it as my Arsenal 74 after reading about the 150K torture test. Outside of the range i see the 1911 as obsolete. I'd also look at the HK45.

bannockburn
April 6, 2012, 07:19 PM
I voted Other as in a Colt Government.

wheelgunslinger
April 6, 2012, 07:36 PM
m&p
Lots of versatility to match it for your hand, you can buy goodies for it, and you can maintain it more easily.
And, it's a bargain.

Lateck
April 6, 2012, 08:04 PM
Can't go wrong with a SIG P-220.

Lateck,

coalman
April 6, 2012, 08:21 PM
Op: Given your limits, I would not get a 1911 even though I prefer it. A Glock, XD or M&P will serve you best IMO. The XD45 w/ ambi thumb safety gets my vote if you are looking for a manual safety on a poly gun. It's metal and very low profile. I like it for what it is. That said, not for me. Good luck.

p.s. The Glock may be hard to field strip with dexterity issues. The XD not at all.

Armedleprechaun
April 6, 2012, 09:07 PM
Thanks guys, Keep 'em coming. :)

JTQ
April 6, 2012, 09:34 PM
However, I sold it because, with my dexterity it was hard for me to get the slide stop back in.
If that is the case, I think it's a no-brainer then, get the M&P.

I have a 1911 and love it, but I've had it since the '80's, long before the M&P came out. If I were buying now I'd get the M&P. I'd skip the thumb safety though. It seems out of place on a pistol like the M&P.

ApacheCoTodd
April 6, 2012, 09:35 PM
I would have a hard time considering one as an alternative to the other excluding the caliber similarity.
Couple extra rounds to the S&W
Polymer frame (for what that may matter)
S&W mags are most likely more expensive

But really, my advice would come down to a question: You've already owned the SA so what about it or yourself do you think has changed to overcome having sold the last one due to limited dexterity? You've already seen that movie.

Would an aftermarket extended slide stop help your assembly issues?

Monster Zero
April 6, 2012, 09:38 PM
After having tried one at the range, it would be XD all the way for me. Shoots ball ammo like a Ruger Mark III.

sgtstryker
April 6, 2012, 09:39 PM
OK..I'll say it...Combat Commander. Blued or stainless, you choose.

jmr40
April 6, 2012, 09:53 PM
Every gun owner should have a 1911. If for no other reason than the history. In my experience the good 1911's ain't cheap, and the cheap ones ain't good. If you can't afford a good one, wait until you can.

Until then most any of the modern designs are really a better choice as a SD gun, and offer better reliability for a lot less money. S&W, Glock, XD, and Ruger all offer modern, reliable designs for about 1/2 the price of a quality 1911. The M&P is probably as good as any, although not my favorite of the bunch.

Pilot
April 6, 2012, 10:45 PM
If you have a few extra dollars, get a basic Colt 1911. If not go for the Milspec. I have both, and prefer the Colt, but the old Springer goes bang every time as well.

Skylerbone
April 7, 2012, 12:15 AM
If reassembly was the sole consternation then here's your saving grace: http://www.ar15.com/archive/topic.html?b=5&f=49&t=104426. A small file, fine tip Sharpie and 2 minutes is all it takes, I just finished said same on a new Harrison slide stop minutes ago. Hopefully you'll revisit the 1911 platform in the future with less frustration.

Back to your question of what to buy I don't feel the Mil Spec is built to true carry standards whereas a choice like the M&P offers reliability rivaled by few in its price range. There are a great number of user serviceable parts and upgrades including excellent sights and ignition sets. If it weren't for my 9c I'd probably already own the .45 ACP version and may someday for woods carry (I hate scratches on my 1911s;-).

It does come down to your comfort level, your budget and your mindset about which will prove more practical. Ask any LEO who carries a Glock, there is no shame in relying on a modern combat handgun as they too were purpose built for the task.

el Godfather
April 7, 2012, 03:07 AM
If you had not given choice for OTHER, I would have voted Springfield. Since the OTHER option was available and no particular criteria for voting was given except that you like 1911, I voted other in favor of:

Dan Wesson.

Arkansas Paul
April 7, 2012, 04:14 AM
Can't go wrong with a SIG P-220.


I agree. If I had the budget and was in the market for a .45 that's the way I would go.
However of the choices listed, I chose the 1911. They're just freakin awesome in every single way.

Bentonville
April 7, 2012, 06:38 AM
HK45C. Don't buy until you shoot one of these.

Manson
April 7, 2012, 06:53 AM
I own the P220 SAO and it's a suitable option to a 1911. No polymer and a single action trigger. Single stack and pretty accurate. And a lot easier to take down.

GLOOB
April 7, 2012, 07:04 AM
A Mil Spec with an idiot mark already on it. :)

rskent
April 7, 2012, 07:37 AM
Before you buy, you should try out a gen 4 Glock 21. Itís the best shooting Glock I have ever shot.
Please note that I am NOT gonna go out and sell my old Government model Colt. It rattles when
you pick it up but it runs and runs and runs.
Steve

Zerodefect
April 7, 2012, 10:37 AM
Some Springys have hard to install slide stops. If you come across another 1911 like that any decent smith can install a Greider or 10-8 slide stop lever that'll be easierto click in. Not that a hard to popin SSL is really a bad thing.

When that happens here's what I do:
-stick a 3/32" punch in the frame to line up the barrel link
-pop the SSL in so it hangs straight down into the trigger guard area. Only the SSL pin is in, not the lever or lug, which is just hanging straight down
-tug on the barrel to make sure the SSL pin actually went through the barrel link
-now rotate the SSL up and snap it in being careful to avoid idiot mark.
-then install recoil spring and plunger last.

I'll recommend in price order:
Colt
Dan Wesson
LesBaer
Ed Brown

Skylerbone
April 7, 2012, 11:50 AM
Snapped a few photos for clarity today, cell phone quality but they demonstrate the point of the log man slide stop modification- trapping the plunger and facilitating easy re-installation of the slide stop. This is the one I cut last night for my Smith. The markings on the lobe are actually from just a few take downs and no Sharpie was necessary.

http://www.thehighroad.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=162311&stc=1&d=1333810073

http://www.thehighroad.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=162312&stc=1&d=1333810131

http://www.thehighroad.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=162313&stc=1&d=1333810176

Armedleprechaun
April 7, 2012, 08:23 PM
I'm giving Colt a hard look. I want a good basic model. I was thinking a 1991a1. Thoughts? The only thing is, they're kinda hard to find in my neck of the woods.

Skylerbone
April 7, 2012, 09:48 PM
A Colt 1991 does not come prepared to carry for the individual. When people think of Colt they often conjure up images of an iconic fight winner that has conquered the world but in spite of Hollywood's insistence most battles were not won by bayonet charges or singular acts of valor against impossible odds. When you make a commitment to carry, for whatever reason you have, it is you against the world without back-up.

For a stock 1991 that means different sights, a new (properly staked) plunger tube (my last was loose-no surprise), reliable magazines (my last one included 2 duds for the trash can), frontstrap checkering to improve grip, a new main spring housing not made of plastic and a beavertail (if needed). Add up the cost and you could easily double the cost of an M&P before it's ready for your intended purpose. All of this hinges on having a good pistolsmith available to perform the work.

Consider the plea, I love the 1911 but when I hear "Bring enough gun" I don't think caliber, I think one ready for infallabe function. If you had to choose a 1911 or an M&P out-of-the-box to defend yourself, which image does your mind conjure up?

9mmepiphany
April 7, 2012, 10:01 PM
If you're just wanting the pony of the side of the slide, I wouldn't stop you.

But for a basic 1911, there are better choices for the money...and I've owned several (currently just 2). Before you make a decision, be sure you know the differences between the 1911 and the 1991 models...avoid being surprised by the plastic parts later

tomrkba
April 7, 2012, 10:07 PM
Regarding getting any gun: get online, shop and have it sent to your FFL. You have an entire nation of guns at your fingertips.

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