Ammo Snobs?


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Averageman
April 6, 2012, 07:21 PM
1) Ever run in to someone who fires nothng but premium defence ammo in practise?
2) Hear someone put down a specific brand of ammo and then when quesioned about it state, "heck no I would never shoot that cheap stuff, but my brother in law told me..."
3) See a clerk behind the counter give the "Dont ever shoot steel case ammo out of your Glock, it will ruin it."

You take four or five brands of practise ammo out and shoot and evaluate it, you use what works best and is the least expensive. It's two opposing curves and when they intersect thats what you practise with.

The Doctor in #1 shot premium ammo because someone told him "always practise with what you carry." I guess the didn't take in to account this guy wanting to shoot IDPA twice a month.
The Yokel in #2 was selling ammo at a local gun show and was in my opinion cashing in on the unwary or unknowledgable.
The Clerk in #3 admitted he didn't even shoot, but was selling a couple ammo based on ....you know I really don't know where a nonshooter gets that opinion.
If we offer guidance and not rumor and second hand information we can get more folks in to the shooting sports. Not scare them away.

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Husker1911
April 6, 2012, 07:22 PM
Rarely, and I give them even less attention.

Robert
April 6, 2012, 07:26 PM
1) Ever run in to someone who fires nothng but premium defence ammo in practise?

What about those of us that hand load competition specific ammo? Now when it comes to my hunting ammo I sight in with the same ammo as I plan to hunt with. No reason to sight in with cheap ammo if it is not going to hit where my hunting ammo will.

Averageman
April 6, 2012, 07:39 PM
What about those of us that hand load competition specific ammo? Now when it comes to my hunting ammo I sight in with the same ammo as I plan to hunt with. No reason to sight in with cheap ammo if it is not going to hit where my hunting ammo will.

Not to hunt with or sight in to hunt with; but to shoot basic practise with.
Rolling your own ammo might be the smartest thing a guy shooting .45 in IDPA could do.

bikerdoc
April 6, 2012, 07:49 PM
Dont really care what other people think or do. Im my own man.

Maybe if they pay my bills then they can have an opinion, other side of the coin is I am darn sure not going to pay thier bills so I got no say in thier choices.

It is mind over matter, I dont mind and they dont matter.

Driftertank
April 6, 2012, 08:01 PM
Have a friend whose husband makes a lot of money and buys and sells guns almost compulsively. He's got stockpiles of ammo in many calibers. I was discussing how i was trying to put together an ammo order with a friend, i was planning on getting several hundred rounds of Silver Bear FMJ to have for "emergencies" for my PTR, since i had found it 100% reliable and could actually afford to keep a usable quantity on hand, given my small salary. She commented "I wouldn't even mess around with that steel sh**."

My response was, "well some of us don't have cases of ammo just laying around that somebody else paid for. It's usably accurate, cycles reliably, and i can buy twice as much of it for the same price."

However, as i've been using it up, i've been replacing it with brass cased, boxer primed ammo, since i'm moving more towards long range shooting and reloading my own.

rule303
April 6, 2012, 08:02 PM
I don't care what the box says if it works well, especially if it is affordable. That being said, I reload 90% of the ammo I shoot.

holdencm9
April 6, 2012, 08:18 PM
I used to steer clear of steel cased ammo, until I realized that over the life of the gun, I'd save enough $$ in ammo to buy 2 or 3 new guns.

I still stay away from Remington Golden Bullets in .22LR and Remington UMC in 9mm...just had bad luck with both, consistently bad luck. But I try not to be too snobby about it and if my friend wants to shoot it he can.

blarby
April 6, 2012, 08:19 PM
I am an ammo snob, for certain.

I prefer to use only what I craft.

As the commercial says :

"Anything else would be.... uncivilized"

:neener:

ljnowell
April 6, 2012, 08:21 PM
As posted above, I dont buy that crap ammo they sell all over, I only shoot the best and perfect ammo foe my guns, ammo I make myself. Reload, its the only way.

The-Reaver
April 6, 2012, 08:35 PM
lol, a good friend of mine actually.

He's kind of a one upper, or tries to be at least. Doesn't shoot steel because.." Its cheap " oh except for in his AK because " Its an AK " but he goes out of his way to fire Hornady and Golddot..because " It works the best in his weapons " ahahahaahaah I laugh every time.

redneck2
April 6, 2012, 08:38 PM
Just shooting a couple of weeks ago with one of my good friends. Bought some cheapie Eagle (IIRC) ammo. He was trying to sight in his new DPMS. At 100 yards, he was maybe 4-5". Gave him some of my hand loads. First try was less than .9".

I have this funny idea that, when I shoot, I want to hit what I'm aiming at. Now, I have figured out that Blaser is nearly as good as $12 a box match ammo out of my CZ rimfire.

Typically, there's a reason more expensive stuff is more expensive. It's because the quality is higher. If your skill level is low enough or your rifle is poor enough that you can't tell the difference, then you should buy cheap stuff. If you're just out blasting away to turn money into noise, the cheap stuff makes the same sound.

dragon813gt
April 6, 2012, 08:47 PM
I do practice with defensive loads. But not all the time. Reason being is that I load them to +P spec while I use the bare minimum for target loads. There is a noticeable difference and it's something I feel is necessary to practice with on occasions. But I could not care less what someone else is shooting or what they think of what I'm shooting.


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wanderinwalker
April 6, 2012, 08:56 PM
Can't say I've ever run into those quite like that. I've run into people who won't shoot steel, won't shoot aluminum, don't like X or Y, etc. But I tend to just ignore them and move on. One day at my old job a fellow asked about 10mm ammo. I said no, we never stocked it at our store. Then I asked if he'd thought about reloading. He scoffed and said "No, too dangerous. I don't want to pick up my brass either." Ooookay...

(One reason I like reloading; the store normally has what I want right before a range trip! ;) )

But I will say, for practicing with my AR Service Rifle, I long ago stopped bothering with trying to make cheap FMJ bullets shoot "good enough". Good match barrel life is wasted on something that won't hold the X-ring every time.

btg3
April 6, 2012, 09:12 PM
It's two opposing curves...
What exactly are you plotting on each axis?

huntsman
April 6, 2012, 09:26 PM
I shoot cheap ammo out of necessity not as a badge of honor .

Redlg155
April 6, 2012, 09:31 PM
Shoot only high dollar factory?... can I have your brass?

Averageman
April 6, 2012, 09:44 PM
What exactly are you plotting on each axis?
Price and performance.
I do practice with defensive loads. But not all the time.
Me too
It's not a matter of reality or even a given experiance for some of these folks handing out this sage advice, but this information is passed on to new shooters, bad for everyone all the way around. I dont gve advise unless asked, but if asked I will say "buy several boxes and find what works best in your gun."

JRH6856
April 6, 2012, 10:03 PM
I'm all for folks shooting nothing but premium factory ammo for practice. It just means more brass for me to pick up.

Ragnar Danneskjold
April 6, 2012, 10:05 PM
Some people only get enjoyment in life out of looking down on others. Their own self worth, and thus state of happiness, is based on feeling superior to someone else. Clothes, cars, what school they went to, and even guns and ammo.

They're not saying it because they want you to think yours is bad. They're saying because they want you to think theirs is better. Because somehow that must mean they're better.

Rembrandt
April 6, 2012, 10:17 PM
Francisco Scaramanga was a ammo snob, insisted on using golden bullets...but I think he had some other issues too.

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btg3
April 6, 2012, 10:22 PM
What exactly are you plotting on each axis?
Price and performance.

So, you have data and graphs to share?

PaulKersey3
April 6, 2012, 10:31 PM
Anyone who has been shot or shot at won't disparage any bullet, regardless of caliber or maker. Anyone saying a .22 or even a .32 doesn't have enough power has never seen how actually good they are at killing at close range. Let those .45 only blowhards feel what it's like taking a .32 in the lung or a .22 in the head and see what they say. Also my Glock is like my snake, if it won't eat ;);)what I feed it, I don't want it. Meaning if I wake up one day with a dead snake and a pet rat, I'll be okay with that. Never happen though...

browningguy
April 6, 2012, 10:54 PM
I'm an ammo snob, I don't shoot cheap aluminum or steel ammo in any of my guns. But I do shoot a lot of Black Hills reloads, and I also reload so you can't have my brass.

With ammunition, like most other things in this world, you get what you pay for. I'm interested in accuracy, spraying a bunch of Wolf steel cased .223 down range into a 3" pattern doesn't do anything for me at all. Even with my AR's with red dots I'm going to try to shoot the best I can, every time. If you only care about your shots being on the paper then shoot whatever you want, because it doens't matter. But please, don't try to convince anyone it's just as good, because it isn't. If you want to prove how good your steel cased ammo is I'd be happy to meet you at ASC, you shoot your steel cased ammo in your .223, I'll shoot my Black Hills 68 or 75 gr. HP, and we'll post the targets here.

Many of you seem to just hate anyone that shoots good quality ammo, and I really don't know why. I believe we snobs are better, because we don't care what you run through your guns.

The War Wagon
April 6, 2012, 11:12 PM
1) Ever run in to someone who fires nothng but BRASS-CASED ammo in practise?
2) Hear someone put down a specific brand of ammo and then when quesioned about it state, "heck no I would never shoot that cheap stuff... BECAUSE I'VE SEEN IT LOCK UP FIREARMS FIRSTHAND, AND DON'T NEED MY FIREARM TO FAIL AT THE MOMENT OF TRUTH..."
3) See a clerk behind the counter give the "Dont ever shoot steel case ammo out of your AR, it will ruin it," and it turns out - for ONCE - he actually KNOWS what he's talking about (Yeah, it surprised ME, too! :o )! :eek:

You take four or five brands of practise ammo out and shoot and evaluate it, you use what works best and is the BRASS-CASED STUFF.

If we offer guidance and not rumor and second hand information we can get more folks in to the shooting sports. Not scare them away.

COULDN'T agree with you more. Combloc ammo, for Combloc guns. :D

RhinoDefense
April 6, 2012, 11:19 PM
If people actually understood what is/isn't happening with steel cased ammunition, they would change their mind.

kopcicle
April 6, 2012, 11:55 PM
I'm only snobbish about what I feed my working weapons . It will weigh , chrono and recoil as near as I can get to the off the shelf ammunition I HAVE to use . That is practicing with what you use .

In all other cases if it works I'll use it except in rare cases like the SA .308 that regularly flattened primers and destroyed a few shok buffs. Or the cascade in the baggie .45LC that had so little crimp that if it didn't fall out in the bag it jumped in the gun and tied it up . Or the .22 brick I tossed because if it wasn't FTI it was fouling the barrel so bad that it required a brush and swab every 20 rounds . Or the ...

Yeah I'm a snob all right . I only use what makes sense . I only use what works . I cover my azz by not reloading for defensive carry and just use HS or GD in.45 and HS 135gr for 9mm because that's what both the FEG clone and Belgian HP eat without complaint . Yeah , snob . heh


~kop

ball3006
April 7, 2012, 08:51 AM
I shoot what my gun tells me it wants to shoot.......I don't give a rat's hind quarter what others think about the ammo I shoot......chris3

GCMkc
April 7, 2012, 10:08 AM
I knew a guy and he wouldn't use steel cased ammo because he thought steel flakes and fragments would come off the case and nick/scratch up the bore...

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