I STILL love my Kel-Tec PMR-30


PDA






Navy_Guns
April 7, 2012, 05:30 PM
Really, that's all I have to say - I just put another 100 rounds through my PMR-30 and I absolutely love it. It's got a decent trigger, SUPER LIGHT, great sights, it's accurate, and a blast to shoot. Yes, it is ugly as sin. I know they're sometimes hard to find, but if you haven't shot one, you really should try one. :D

If you enjoyed reading about "I STILL love my Kel-Tec PMR-30" here in TheHighRoad.org archive, you'll LOVE our community. Come join TheHighRoad.org today for the full version!
BamAlmighty
April 7, 2012, 05:32 PM
I wish they would offer a .22 kit.

intercooler
April 7, 2012, 05:44 PM
Why? Their is a slew of .22's out there already.

What is the cheapets ammo you can get for one or what's your one?

Wonder if they did a 20 round offering for MD residents yet.

Navy_Guns
April 7, 2012, 07:42 PM
Agreed - why neuter a .22 mag/30 round pistol to make a .22 LR version when there are so many other .22 LR pistols out there. If they're going to take the PMR-30 in any direction, I want to see a 16" carbine version that uses the same mags. If it was a bullpup, even cooler!

Coyote3855
April 7, 2012, 08:20 PM
I love mine as well. No feeding or ejection problems after the first couple of mags. It's become my favorite carry gun for working around the ranch or woods loafing.

http://i1087.photobucket.com/albums/j467/Inusuit/003.jpg

bigfatdave
April 7, 2012, 08:30 PM
I like mine, too - it eats Fiocchi (sp?) soft points, CCI everything, and the Hornady/Speer defense rounds happily, shoots to POA out to 20-25 yards, and has a pretty nice trigger.

Now I get to wait for the RMR30, I already have extra magazines, so all I'll need for the RMR30 is a little bitty case for it collapsed and maybe some sights or a red-dot if they ship it with an empty rail on top.

Orion8472
April 8, 2012, 10:42 AM
If they MADE a gun that held even 20 rounds, the question would have been asked. A 30 round .22lr would be far better than a .22mag gun. Shooting LOTS of cheap .22lr rounds would win, hands down.

MachIVshooter
April 8, 2012, 10:54 AM
A 30 round .22lr would be far better than a .22mag gun.

That's just your opinion.

The WMR runs considerably faster, even from the short barrel. CCI Stingers (32 gr) hit 1,100 from a 5" barrel, while the 30 gr. TNT load clocks 1,560 from the PMR. If you use the gun in the field like I do, that's worth the extra cost.

Would a .22 LR version be cool? Yeah. Would it have more appeal? That depends entirely on the prospective buyer. To me, it wouldn't.

ole farmerbuck
April 8, 2012, 10:58 AM
Wish I could find one so I could talk about it. No luck so far.

TMann
April 8, 2012, 11:06 AM
I think the biggest problem with the PMR-30 is that they're nearly impossible to find.

TMann

Orion8472
April 8, 2012, 12:57 PM
And Mach, . . . in turn, . . . that is YOUR opinion. Not everyone wants to use this type of gun in the field. Some people like to shoot cheaply, yet NOT have to reload after 10 rounds. My point is equally as valid as yours, and I stand behind my comment. For ME, a .22lr version would be better than .22mag. Same reason why I prefer a semi auto in 9mm over one in 10mm.

MachIVshooter
April 8, 2012, 04:38 PM
And Mach, . . . in turn, . . . that is YOUR opinion.

Of course it is. That's why I said:

Would it have more appeal? That depends entirely on the prospective buyer. To me, it wouldn't.

Clearly stated as opinion, versus:

A 30 round .22lr would be far better than a .22mag gun

Stated as a fact. Do you see the difference? Add "IMO" to the beginning or end of your sentence, and people won't debate you.

bigfatdave
April 8, 2012, 09:15 PM
I'd buy a conversion kit to .22lr if it was available, maybe Twisted Industries will whomp one up like they did for the pf9 and are working on for the p3at/p32

I think the biggest problem with the PMR-30 is that they're nearly impossible to find.not really, the fiber optic sights and height/width make it easy to find in the handgun rack, even with minimal lighting. It's the only tall skinny one with FO sights in the .22 section.

Wonder if they did a 20 round offering for MD residents yet. well, they don't bother to do anything to comply with idiotic CA gun "laws" so why would the bother with the smaller population of MD?

intercooler
April 8, 2012, 09:26 PM
I have no idea. Ask them because they said they were working on it.

ozarker
April 8, 2012, 11:00 PM
I think it would be interesting if they would offer it in 5.7x28. Give FN a little competition.

BamAlmighty
April 8, 2012, 11:32 PM
yeah... there are a slew of .22s out there, but name one .22lr pistol that holds 30 rounds in the grip and isn't based on the AR platform. Bueller.. Bueller... Bueller?

For me, it would strictly be a plinker and I'd have a lot more fun with 500 rounds Versus 100 for the same price.

FIVETWOSEVEN
April 8, 2012, 11:39 PM
Agreed - why neuter a .22 mag/30 round pistol to make a .22 LR version when there are so many other .22 LR pistols out there. If they're going to take the PMR-30 in any direction, I want to see a 16" carbine version that uses the same mags. If it was a bullpup, even cooler!

Why Neuter it? Because not everyone that owns or wants a PMR 30 cares for .22 WMR, they just want a high capacity plinker that shoots cheap ammo. I wouldn't get one for it's caliber either, I don't have a need for .22 WMR.

MachIVshooter
April 8, 2012, 11:51 PM
Everyone wanting a .22 LR and wondering why KT didn't do it, there is a good reason. They had enough difficulty getting the longer .22 WMR to work in a straight magazine stacked 15 deep; The shorter LR cartridge compounds the problem presented by the rim. This is why most .22 LR handguns hold 10 rounds or less.

Most higher capacity .22 LR magazines are sharply radiused to compensate for the rim.

IOW, don't hold your breath.

FIVETWOSEVEN
April 9, 2012, 12:05 AM
Everyone wanting a .22 LR and wondering why KT didn't do it, there is a good reason. They had enough difficulty getting the longer .22 WMR to work in a straight magazine stacked 15 deep; The shorter LR cartridge compounds the problem presented by the rim. This is why most .22 LR handguns hold 10 rounds or less.

I know why they didn't do it but I was going against the question that why would you want to neuter .22WMR into a .22LR, not why isn't the PMR 30 a .22 LR?

OARNGESI
April 9, 2012, 07:20 AM
i want to get one just not willing to pay the premium

Orion8472
April 9, 2012, 07:53 AM
Everyone wanting a .22 LR and wondering why KT didn't do it, there is a good reason. They had enough difficulty getting the longer .22 WMR to work in a straight magazine stacked 15 deep; The shorter LR cartridge compounds the problem presented by the rim. This is why most .22 LR handguns hold 10 rounds or less.

Most higher capacity .22 LR magazines are sharply radiused to compensate for the rim.

IOW, don't hold your breath.

Now this argument I can see the point of. Hadn't considered this as a potential issue. I would like to see an exploaded [type] view of the .22mag rounds as they stack in the magazine. I would have thought that the same issue would have affected that round, since they also have the same type of silhouette.

bigfatdave
April 9, 2012, 09:18 AM
no, they don't. They're nearly twice as long and the bullets are installed in the cases in a totally different way, plus they're not externally lubricated with wax.

I expect a PMR30 .22lr conversion kit will have signifigantly reduced capacity, if it ever happens.

MachIVshooter
April 9, 2012, 10:27 AM
I would like to see an exploaded [type] view of the .22mag rounds as they stack in the magazine.

There are two separate columns that join at the top, and the rims in each column are overlapped and staggered. That's why the PMR mags are pie wedge shaped.

The only other pistol I can think of using this design is the Phoenix HP-22

I would have thought that the same issue would have affected that round, since they also have the same type of silhouette.

Like Dave said, they're quite a bit longer, thus the angle created by the rim is less. A longer base on a triangle means a longer hypotenuse and a shallower angle (remember your pythagorean theorum ;) ).

Orion8472
April 9, 2012, 11:32 AM
Dave, Mach, . . . thanks for this bit of information. I sit corrected. I formally take back what I said earlier. Knowledge is power. :)

I wouldn't mind picking up one of these to see what it's all about. Or maybe find someone that owns one to see if I'd like shooting it.

Mikhail Weiss
April 9, 2012, 11:46 AM
I love mine as well. No feeding or ejection problems after the first couple of mags. It's become my favorite carry gun for working around the ranch or woods loafing.

http://i1087.photobucket.com/albums/j467/Inusuit/003.jpg

That's a neat picture. Like the colors, the orange/orange of leather and lichen.

bergmen
April 9, 2012, 03:05 PM
If we could only GET them in California, I would have one in a heartbeat.

We cannot.

Dan

Walt Sherrill
April 9, 2012, 05:33 PM
Don't feel bad... we can't get them anywhere else, either -- short of paying twice the MSRP (on an auction site).

I've been on a waiting list for four months, and the dealer has received two during that time.

Scott-NC
June 1, 2012, 11:53 PM
Sorry if this is a bit of a stale thread but I think it's still appropriate.

Walt I got mine from Ed's gun shop in Vass, NC. Maybe an hour or a little more from you? He has a reputation of being very reasonable. He put me on the list, about 8 months later called me and charged maybe a few bucks premium if any. I forget exactly without looking but it was $3xx. I considered it a bargain. At the time they were almost double that on gun broker..... And yes it is a Fun little gun. Biggest surprises for me- the light trigger and the size of the bang!

Walt Sherrill
June 2, 2012, 09:49 AM
Thanks for the heads-up, Scott. I've emailed the shop and asked to be put on their waiting list.

krupparms
June 2, 2012, 12:18 PM
The reason I got my .22mag. was & is the price of ammunition. The PMR -30 in. .22mag. is a good solid gun. And the. 22mag.has alot more power than a.
22lr. ! Great combination! Cannot wait to get my own PMR -30.! Just my 2 cents !

Browns Fan
June 2, 2012, 04:54 PM
I saw only one at the gun show today and he want $600 for it! I about choked! No thanks!

firedawg60
June 2, 2012, 07:14 PM
I don't if they have any in stock but CDNN (http://site.cdnninvestments.com/CDNN2012-2/index.html) has them for $299. Page 12.

Walt Sherrill
June 2, 2012, 11:48 PM
When you call CDNN about getting on their waiting list, they just chuckle. The list is probably a year or year and a half long, now...

Kiln
June 4, 2012, 01:41 AM
Some of the .22 MAG loads designed for use from short barreled pistols are pretty impressive to me. The only thing keeping me from owning a .22 mag is the cost of ammo and the guns I actually like that are chambered for it.

Skribs
June 4, 2012, 10:49 AM
I think it would be interesting if they would offer it in 5.7x28. Give FN a little competition.

I'd rather a company with good QC built a 5.7x28mm competitor.

fatcat4620
June 4, 2012, 10:59 AM
I would rather see it in .17hmr

diyj98
June 4, 2012, 11:49 AM
I'll just wait till supply catches up with demand. Someone emailed me about a rifle I have for sale on here. I have the rifle listed at $800..........he wanted to trade me his PMR-30 even up!:banghead:

If you enjoyed reading about "I STILL love my Kel-Tec PMR-30" here in TheHighRoad.org archive, you'll LOVE our community. Come join TheHighRoad.org today for the full version!