FTF... okay, which is it?


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kb58
April 9, 2012, 10:45 AM
It's just a little thing but a bit annoying. In regards to firearms, the Interwebz lists it both ways... is it:

FTF = Failure To Fire.

Or,

FTF = Failure To Feed.


And regardless which it is, how do you then specify the other? Spell it out I guess?

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Bubbles
April 9, 2012, 10:52 AM
I thought it was Face To Face - as in a transfer of a firearm between residents of the same state, where legal...

Tinpig
April 9, 2012, 11:00 AM
Just me, but if someone told me his firearm had a FTF I'd assume it was a failure-to-feed.
Unless it was a revolver.:)

Tinpig

Legionnaire
April 9, 2012, 11:30 AM
I generally understand FTF as either failure-to-feed or face-to-face depending on context.

kb58
April 9, 2012, 11:33 AM
Then how do people abbreviate failure-to-fire? Or is it understood that "FTF" only means fail-to-feed?

MachIVshooter
April 9, 2012, 11:44 AM
I take it to simply mean malfunction, and don't assume anything until the poster elborates.

If we're talking about sales, though, yes, it means face-to-face

Gtimothy
April 9, 2012, 11:48 AM
Then how do people abbreviate failure-to-fire? Or is it understood that "FTF" only means fail-to-feed?


Its called a Misfire. Not sure if there is an abbreviation for that or not.

snuffy
April 9, 2012, 11:56 AM
It's called "being lazy". Abbreviating instead of spelling it out.

rosewood151
April 9, 2012, 12:07 PM
FTF= Failure to feed (usually refers to round getting caught up going from magazine to chamber)

Failure to fire covers way too much ground to abbreviate.

PinoyInFL
April 9, 2012, 12:13 PM
I've always thought it was "failure to feed". Failure to fire can be caused by failure to feed, a bad primer, malfunction in the trigger mechanism, etc.

bigfatdave
April 9, 2012, 12:15 PM
undefined FTF means "jamb" [sic] ... someone who wants me to do their troubleshooting with no information, pictures, or background data

gpb
April 9, 2012, 12:56 PM
FTF

Maybe it means Failure To Function.

Just like the people who post "My gun had a FTF. What should I do?"

homatok
April 9, 2012, 02:49 PM
Most of the time you can tell by reading the rest of the sentence or paragraph.

Josh45
April 9, 2012, 03:49 PM
I think most of the time that FTF in any area other than the Buy/Sell/Trade area would mean Failure To Feed. Most people would say misfire or something of that sort. I think....

Now if it is to be said in the Buy/Sell/Trade section then it's just Face-To-Face

MilsurpShooter
April 9, 2012, 05:15 PM
FTF means Failure to Fire in my area. But we also do a bit of blackpowder and muzzleloading. Someone on the line calls FTF out loud it usually means click but no bang.

essayons21
April 9, 2012, 06:33 PM
It can mean both (or all three). Just like FTE is used for failure to extract and failure to eject.

Most of the time people using the abbreviations can't tell the difference between a failure to feed, fire, extract, or eject anyway, so I generally just read it as a failure of the gun to work properly until more details are given.

dogtown tom
April 9, 2012, 07:38 PM
As a teacher long ago told us, when using abbreviations ALWAYS use the full unabbreviated term in its first usage, after that it would be okay to abbreviate.

Example: "My CollockchesterXDmR9c is failing to eject, anyone else have problems with FTE's?"

9mmepiphany
April 9, 2012, 08:49 PM
Which brings up the other side of this...FTE

Which can mean failure to extract or failure to eject. While the two are related, they aren't the same and usually require a bit more explanation in the question to get a meaningful answer.

I've always used FTF to mean Failure to Feed and used Misfire to mean Failure to fire. In modern handguns (what I usually shoot) FTF are much more common than Misfires

writerinmo
April 9, 2012, 10:30 PM
I'm an old artillery guy, it's a Failure to Feed for me if it don't go in the hole, and a hangfire if it don't go boom, then after 30 seconds it's a misfire in most cases, if it's in my P95 I just pull the trigger again...

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