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daytodaze
April 9, 2012, 11:30 PM
Hey all, i had a springfield question for you.

Currently I'm looking at a springfield operator lw and a springfield trp operator.

This is probably going to be a gun that is never sold, so I'm looking at long-term durability. If i were to shell out the extra $400 for the trp, what am I really going to gain?

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Pete D.
April 10, 2012, 11:35 AM
Let me answer this way.....$400 buys a lot of ammo and even more components if you load your own.
Pete

scramasax
April 10, 2012, 11:48 AM
I've owned all of the above from 1st to last generation. With the TRP operator vs a TRP you get a bushingless bull barrel and adjustable night sights. The LW has an aluminum frame. There is no noticable difference with accuracy with any of the three. There is a major difference in weight. Steel frames last longer than aluminum. But I doubt you will shoot enough to wear out either frame. It all depends how much weight you want to carry and what holster. Also do you plan on leaving the light attached? I carry the TRP Operator in a Bianchi X-15 with the light on or a "tac" drop holster. The LW with light rides in a belt holster. Either way they are one of the best choices for the money.

Cheers,

ts

daytodaze
April 10, 2012, 02:13 PM
Now that i am reminded about the bushingless barrel, do you think that part has the same longevity as a standard 1911 setup?

This gun well not be carried, unless I'm using it in a match. I don't shoot a lot of .45 now, but i only own a USP 45, and i currently don't reload for any of my calibers. If both of those changed, i would be shooting as much as i shoot .40 (which is about 300-400 per month).

mbopp
April 10, 2012, 05:34 PM
One note on the bushingless bull barrel full size Operator - it's not legal for IDPA, and in USPSA you get bumped into Limited instead of Single Stack.

ku4hx
April 10, 2012, 05:55 PM
Let me answer this way.....$400 buys a lot of ammo and even more components if you load your own.
Pete
That $400 would supply primers and powder for about about 4,000 rounds. Cast my own bullets from berm-mined lead and have decades worth of range pickup brass.

in 1969 I made one of the best decisions of my life to get into hand loading.

elrowe
April 10, 2012, 08:54 PM
If you haven't already, take a look at the Range Officer too, unless stainless is essential. The machining is supposedly the same as the TRP for about half the cost. I've yet to be able to look at one though since they're always out of stock...

Thumbs up on the Springfield decision though, I have three (all 9mm 1911s) and even the ten year old one that didn't work right got fixed for free.

daytodaze
April 10, 2012, 11:51 PM
Actually, my first idea was to get a range officer, but I later decided that I wanted to get something with a rail and night sights. I still might end up getting the RO and swapping the sights out.

asia331
April 11, 2012, 01:44 AM
Let me answer this way.....$400 buys a lot of ammo and even more components if you load your own.

I'll simply second PeteD; he's got it right.

coalman
April 11, 2012, 02:57 AM
I'd not want the lw frame. I'd get the all steel TRP between the two; they are very nice. What's $400 going to matter to you over the course of your lifetime? But, consider at the TPR price range you can get an even better 1911 for just a bit more.

buckhorn_cortez
April 11, 2012, 06:57 AM
If you're in the TRP price range, look at a Dan Wesson Valor, it's a much nicer gun than a TRP. I have both. Bought the TRP first and the DW about 6 months later, the DW is a step up from the TRP.

The posts conflating buying a gun with spending money on ammunition always make me laugh. You buy a gun one time - make it the one you want and the best you can afford at that time. For me, ammunition is a totally separate cost from a different budget and is NEVER a tradeoff factor in buying a gun as that is truly false economy.

ku4hx
April 11, 2012, 11:02 AM
You buy a gun one time - make it the one you want and the best you can afford at that time. For me, ammunition is a totally separate cost from a different budget and is NEVER a tradeoff factor in buying a gun as that is truly false economy.

+1 A gun is equipment; an investment. Ammunition is a consumable; it comes and goes. Kind of like buying a truck and then the gasoline to run it.

Got to have both, but I'll just be hanged if I've going to buy something I don't really want because of the marginal increase in a consumable's cost.

bob barker
April 11, 2012, 11:58 AM
I have the colt rail gun and love it!

Pete D.
April 12, 2012, 12:07 PM
My point about the difference in price being a way to buy ammunition was a way of saying that the OP will most probably not find such a difference between the two guns that the expense is worth it.
As another poster wrote, the accuracy is there in both guns and I much doubt that either gun will be in danger of being worn out in his lifetime given the projected use.
One factor, however, that is not arguable is the legality of the gun in match competitions.
That may determine choice more than other factors.
Pete

daytodaze
April 12, 2012, 01:39 PM
The extra $400 would more than finish my 10/22 project (which is already scary accurate), so it wouldn't necessarily be dumped into ammo. I've also been looking at a reloading system. I shoot more than most i know, but i doubt i would ever kill the frame on it if it's a range gun. This and a USP would be splitting range time, and my carry and hd guns are both .40 cal.

being a glocker and a s&w revolver guy, i get a little worried about crossing that $1000 threshold for a 1911, because while i feel i know a lot about guns, I'm a total newbie on 1911s.

EAJ
April 13, 2012, 04:00 PM
Very pleased with my SA LW Champion Operator. It's as accurate as the MC.

http://www.fishkind.com/collection/images/saco1911_04.jpg

http://www.fishkind.com/collection/images/sa1911_02.jpg

daytodaze
April 13, 2012, 08:52 PM
@EAJ do you think the extra accuracy comes from the longer sight radius, or do you feel the MC operator has a mechanical advantage.

Also noticing that only the trp guns have front strap serrations.

EAJ
April 13, 2012, 09:05 PM
EAJ do you think the extra accuracy comes from the longer sight radius, or do you feel the MC operator has a mechanical advantage.

I think it’s very reasonable to believe that the longer sight radius would aid in increased accuracy, however in practice they’re both about equal in my hands. A better marksman might perceive a difference. Both are equally reliable mechanically. I also have a Micro Operator. IMO, out of the 3, the Champion provides the best balance with respect to concealment, accuracy and reliability.

http://www.fishkind.com/collection/images/samicroltwt_03.jpg

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