An act of desperation?


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Sig Bill
April 10, 2012, 02:50 PM
As usual I visit Walmart once in a while to look at ammo and it's getting barer the more visits I make. I don't think they restocked it in weeks and since I've shot all my stash (except for the full mags for HD) I'd better get one to sit on. I found a WWB 100 pack of 40sw 165 FMJs in this mess as some of the boxes were opened and I found a sealed one. I didn't bother to look for 9mm ammo.

I know there's plenty of ammo online but I don't have the money for 'em right now. Maybe next month or so but right now I feel better having a box on hand.

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OARNGESI
April 10, 2012, 07:10 PM
i like to have rounds on hand so i dont have to stop by a store and hope they have what i need.

youngda9
April 10, 2012, 07:28 PM
I've been stocking up on components so there is never an issue.

InkEd
April 10, 2012, 07:32 PM
I like to have enough for a range trip or two on hand. Don't feel the need to stockpile or hoard it for doomsday.

Rollis R. Karvellis
April 10, 2012, 08:43 PM
As a firm believer in hoarding I, always have some put up, unfortionatly my wallet is never capable of meeting my desire. My wife stopped to look for .22's, last week, and they were sold out of everything. My guess is people are stocking up with the hope of a repete of 08, and $100.00, a box price's.

moewadle
April 10, 2012, 09:00 PM
compared to OP's. Here in Eastern and Central Iowa they seem loaded with everything....all the common centerfire stuff 9mm, 38 spec, etc and lots of 22LR with bulk packs of Federal, Winchester, Remington, etc. Plus bunches of other rifle and handgun fodder.

It seems funny to me and wish I could figure this out...I have a lot of ammo and decided I did not need 4000 rds of 9mm...so I went on another forum and advertised an original case of 9mm Win. (No this is not a trick to sneak in a sale here) for $225 and did not get a call. Of course, I would not have shipped it but still...(Have to go and watch NCIS) with my wife.

Spaceman Spiff
April 10, 2012, 09:11 PM
my buddies are having a hard time finding ammo from their usual online sources, so if you stumble across a box of something you know you'll use and the price is right go for it...if you were going to spend the money on ammo eventually anyway there's not much of a difference in the grand scheme...

if the price is jacked up because of some paranoid delusion of armageddon, though, i'd pass...

Ignition Override
April 10, 2012, 09:16 PM
Ammo distributors warned people in March 2011 that ammo prices would go up about 25% by May 2011. Nothing even similar happened.

Lots of rumors of price increases are begun by distributors, gun shop staff and guys renting tables at gun shows.

Why do people still fail to understand the incentive for these rumors? Many of them pose as regular laymen on gun websites, trying to create a buying frenzy. Their dire warnings worked very well after the election in 2008.

Sig Bill
April 10, 2012, 09:19 PM
I was checking online ammo but lot of 'em don't have any of the popular ones and will have to settle for what they have.

Certaindeaf
April 10, 2012, 09:22 PM
So what's desperate about buying a box of ammo at walmart?

Certaindeaf
April 10, 2012, 09:23 PM
I was checking online ammo but lot of 'em don't have any of the popular ones and will have to settle for what they have.
Such is life.

Jeff H
April 10, 2012, 11:05 PM
It is tax return season and lots of people have some money to spend. RELAX, this is just a temporary issue...at least until election day........

firesky101
April 10, 2012, 11:12 PM
My local wal-marts are stuffed to the gills with ammo. Everything I could ever want, just don't really want to pay for. I typically buy online, unless I buy something new I just have to try out then it is off to wally world for a new calibler.

MedWheeler
April 11, 2012, 08:08 AM
There are three Wal-Marts in my city, and they usually have plenty of stuff, though most of it is FMJ. I don't "stockpile" so to speak, keeping 50-100 rounds of centerfire pistol ammunition for each of five calibers (none of which begins with the number 4.) I do, however, like to keep a lot of .22LR around, but my favorite rimfire guns won't eat the bulk stuff by either Winchester or Remington reliably. I have to keep a few hundred rounds of Mini-Mags, at twice the price, around to keep them happy. I do not own any centerfire rifles (yet.)

Kaptain Five
April 11, 2012, 10:03 AM
With Walmart being 30 minutes away, i have had to put a little foresight into my ammo buying. I'm happy with around 50 rounds of each caliber (except .22LR, a couple hundred rounds on hand), just in case i get the urge to walk out in the pasture and put a few into the hill.

bannockburn
April 11, 2012, 10:09 AM
I starting stocking up on ammo years ago, long before there were shortages, higher prices, and hoarding going on. If I came across a really good deal on ammo in a caliber that I used a lot, I would pick it up; or if I bought a gun in a new caliber, I would order it online if unavailable locally. As it stands right now I haven't gone shopping for ammo in quite some time and don't anticipate I will have to anytime soon.

M2 Carbine
April 11, 2012, 10:43 AM
There will be another shortage and higher prices than last time (when obama was elected).

Not only "old timers" stocking up on ammo but there are thousands of new gun owners.
Just in the last couple months I have taught a number of new shooters. These are people that never had any interest at all in owning guns.
The last man and wife's house was broken into and like most everyone else they think things are going to get a lot worse.


So, better stretch the budget and get all the ammo you can.

Sig Bill
April 11, 2012, 12:05 PM
Why I grabbed a box. Better to have 113 instead of just 13. :)

rmantoo
April 11, 2012, 12:22 PM
I work in the oil field, and average about 2 cities a week in my travels. The wal-marts in Odessa, Midland, Abilene, Pecos, Kennedy, and my home town of San Angelo, Tx, all have very good stock in the last month on ammo.

The Walmart in Carlsbad, Nm, conversely, has almost nothing.

Driftertank
April 11, 2012, 01:05 PM
Plenty of ammo at my local Walmart.

Even had a stack of bulk boxes of WWB .45ACP. Haven't seen that happen since '07.

bubbaturbo
April 11, 2012, 05:36 PM
If buying one box of ammo qualifies as an "ACT OF DESPERATION" I can only imagine what picking up a 12 pack of toilet paper would be.

JustinJ
April 11, 2012, 08:39 PM
Local GS had 1000 round boxes of 165 grain PMC. With one of my 10% gun purchase coupons i got it for $260.

mrvco
April 12, 2012, 12:15 AM
There is absolutely no rhyme or reason to how Wal-mart restocks ammo. One week my local store will be loaded with 9mm, but no .40 S&W... go to the next store 10 miles further on the way to the range and that Wal-mart has tons of .40 S&W, but no 9mm.

TNboy
April 12, 2012, 11:16 AM
I try to pick up a box of "something" everytime I make a trip to town. I use a wide variety of calibers and I figure it wouldn't hurt anything to grab a box and slowly start stocking up. Last time I went to town I bought a box of 9mm (which I never use and don't think I even have any of currently) and a box of 12 ga buckshot. Next time it will probably be a .22 bulk pack. If a guy buys more than he shoots he will eventually have a nice little stock of ammo.

MachIVshooter
April 12, 2012, 11:34 AM
I've shot all my stash

I have never understood this.

I never wait to go to the grocery store until I'm completely out of food, I don't wait for my fuel gauge to register empty before I fill up and I never shoot all the ammo I have.

writerinmo
April 13, 2012, 01:22 AM
I guess I'm lucky in that my local Walmart Supercenter is less than 10 minutes away, and for whatever reason it might be, seems to always have lots of ammo on hand, or if a bit low on a particular brand or caliber, they seem to get it in within a couple of days. I pick up ammo about every time I'm in there for one or more of the calibers I own, they even started carrying the 100 round bulk pack of Federal in 9mm for just under $20, just a few cents over the price of two boxes of the Tulammo. Always plenty of 9mm and 7.62x39 on hand, I buy my .22 elsewhere and haven't bought much .40 since I switched EDC pistols to 9mm.

doc2rn
April 13, 2012, 02:10 AM
The Wallie Worlds near me dont stock guns, or have a big sporting goods section for that matter, but they have LOTS and I mean LOTS of ammo.

Sniper66
April 13, 2012, 10:34 AM
Fortunately, I have access to Cabela's and Bass Pro because the Walmart in Lawrence, ks is extremely limited on ammo. I NEVER buy anything there. They no longer sell firearms; haven't for years. They seem to be steadily moving further and further away from stocking anything that appeals to hunters and shooters. Does anyone know why? Is it a PC thing? The Cabela's in KC, just 30 minutes away, is packed all the time. Seems to me that Walmart is missing the boat.

wannabeagunsmith
April 13, 2012, 03:43 PM
I know someone who buys 2 boxes of ammo every time he goes into town. One to practice with, one to store away for harder times. He NEVER touches the ones he has put away, showed me a box he has had since the 80's. Good plan.

abq87120
April 13, 2012, 03:58 PM
After bHo got elected, I bought $3,500 worth of ammo over the next year. I'm still shooting that off. I bought a reloading rig just to re-use the brass.

Just One Shot
April 13, 2012, 04:49 PM
My Wally World has everything except .223 & .45 acp.

wannabeagunsmith
April 14, 2012, 12:01 AM
After bHo got elected, I bought $3,500 worth of ammo over the next year. I'm still shooting that off. I bought a reloading rig just to re-use the brass.

now there's something i'd love to see a picture of!

Rollis R. Karvellis
April 14, 2012, 08:12 PM
This week they were in good shape except for Fed. balk pack .22's.

jimmyraythomason
April 14, 2012, 08:24 PM
I don't buy guns or ammo from the Wal-Mart Super Center even though it is exactly 3 miles from my house. I look every so often though at their inventory and check ammo prices. Last Monday they were out of all 7.62x39 except for 2 boxs of fmj,very little 9mm and only a few boxes of .223 of any description.

TanklessPro
April 14, 2012, 10:04 PM
I only buy in bulk, 1000 or more. For a few years I have bought ammo whenever I saw a deal. I only buy for one reason, its only gonna go up. The shotgun shells I hunt dove with were $3.50 a box 10 years ago now are over $7.00.

MachIVshooter
April 14, 2012, 11:20 PM
After bHo got elected, I bought $3,500 worth of ammo over the next year. I'm still shooting that off. I bought a reloading rig just to re-use the brass.

now there's something i'd love to see a picture of!

$3,500 don't get you that much these days.

I don't know exactly, but I suspect it would cost me upwards of $25k to replace this:

http://i110.photobucket.com/albums/n117/Hunter2506/101_1151.jpg

Patriotme
April 15, 2012, 03:28 PM
I'm in Va. I haven't seen any shortages at my local Walmarts and if they do happen to be out of WWB there is Federal. There may be one manufacturer that they are out of in a certain caliber but there's always some other brand available.

shuvelrider
April 16, 2012, 11:44 AM
Think I would be lookin around for any possible venue for ammo then, rather then relying on Wally World. I reload for most of what I have, 12 calibers and that helps a lot. Did stock up on 9mm though, have a stash of 2000 rounds at the moment. A couple boxes as you see them really adds up, even at normal retail price. Better to have then to wish you had!

pikid89
April 16, 2012, 11:51 AM
I know a guy that bough a pallet of ammo once....sits in the back of his hangar behind his helicopter

wannabeagunsmith
April 16, 2012, 02:06 PM
@MachIVshooter.... WOAH....that is still more ammo than I could ever dream of! Thanks for the pic.

Claude Clay
April 16, 2012, 02:58 PM
re MackIV i can certainly appreciate organization.

im loading 29 calibers now and as i have shootable stock of all my calibers
i only have +1K of the commen pistol and 3-500 of rifle. the uncommen calibers ( 32 colt Long, 32 x 38 , 7.5 x 53 to name a few) will have 100 or so. just so i can take any gun on a whim and have some fun.
i do inventory by counting primers ( powder & bullets are bought to match) and try to keep stock for 3 years worth of shooting. thus i can, hopefully, buy when there are sales rather than out of need at any price.

Mack, when you put a value on what it would cost to replace.....did you figure your time in at any rate also? when teaching re-loading i say that anything is better than watching tv but time is yours to spend. even at minimum wage, to make a box of pistol on a progressive, labor adds about $3/box and for rifle adds $6/50.
of course costs vary with equipment and experience.

MachIVshooter
April 16, 2012, 05:27 PM
Mack, when you put a value on what it would cost to replace.....did you figure your time in at any rate also?

My time? Oh, jeez.........lol. Hundreds of hours. lol. No, it's not factored.

Some of that is pretty spendy stuff, with labor-intensive loading practices. There's about 500 .17 Rem., 400 .220 Swift, 100 .375 RUM, 100 8mm Mag, 250 .50 BMG.......

SabbathWolf
April 16, 2012, 08:20 PM
I was just at Walmart today.
The closest one to me is like 50 miles away because I live in the sticks.
They didn't have even one single caliber I shoot.
BUT.......for the first time ever (for me)....."My" Walmart had a DPMS and a Bushmaster M4-forgery sitting behind the glass with the bolt rifles and shotguns. It REALLY caught me by surprise!
And a "nice" surprise at that....
:D

I always order my ammo on-line anyways though.
I was actually there for sheets and bath towels and boring stuff.

SabbathWolf
April 16, 2012, 08:30 PM
$3,500 don't get you that much these days.

I don't know exactly, but I suspect it would cost me upwards of $25k to replace this:

http://i110.photobucket.com/albums/n117/Hunter2506/101_1151.jpg

DANG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:eek:

And here I thought I was doin' OK with a handful of old ammo cans?
You've got me beat every which way from Sunday!

I gotta add some 357 MAG cans in there now though too.
Collecting ammo can get addicting....as I see "YOU" have already discovered.:D

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v648/Swampdragon/4e503134.jpg

MachIVshooter
April 16, 2012, 11:24 PM
And here I thought I was doin' OK with a handful of old ammo cans?
You've got me beat every which way from Sunday!

This is what happens when you have a cartridge accumulation addiction. lol. The consolidation thing is not for me, as witnessed by the stocking of 51 different metallic cartridges and 4 shotgun gauges.

SabbathWolf
April 16, 2012, 11:45 PM
This is what happens when you have a cartridge accumulation addiction. lol. The consolidation thing is not for me, as witnessed by the stocking of 51 different metallic cartridges and 4 shotgun gauges.

If that's what your ammo storage looks like...I can't even imagine what your firearms collection must be like.....
:what:
:D

wannabeagunsmith
April 17, 2012, 02:11 PM
DANG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

And here I thought I was doin' OK with a handful of old ammo cans?
You've got me beat every which way from Sunday!

I gotta add some 357 MAG cans in there now though too.
Collecting ammo can get addicting....as I see "YOU" have already discovered.

Are those ammo cans filled?

SabbathWolf
April 17, 2012, 03:39 PM
Are those ammo cans filled?

Yes.
Completely filled.
Why?

oldbear
April 17, 2012, 06:16 PM
I like to have enough for a range trip or two on hand. Don't feel the need to stockpile or hoard it for doomsday.

Neither do I, yet the last time I checked my ammo stash I was surprised I found about 1,600 rounds of assorted 38 special and .357 Magnum ammo. When I started shooting, years and years, ago finding ammo was a non-issue, just stopped on the way to the range and picked up whatever you needed.

So my question is when does having a reasonable amount of ammo on hand cross into hording or a dooms day mentality? Is it having more ammo than you would normally shoot in say 6 month hoarding, or not being able to buy other things you want or need because you spent money on ammo become hoarding?

Thanks all

Humakavula
April 17, 2012, 06:22 PM
I know a guy that bough a pallet of ammo once....sits in the back of his hangar behind his helicopter
you know Carl?

dsb1829
April 17, 2012, 06:51 PM
I hear of people talking up Walmart ammo prices, but in N. AL I have yet to see anything worth bragging over. $30 for 100rd of 9mm wwb is not cheap. Not considering I load .40 and .45 for about $8-12 per 100rd. Anyone who stockpiles ammo from a big box store is a far richer man than I...

wannabeagunsmith
April 17, 2012, 07:01 PM
Just wondering.

SlowFuse
April 17, 2012, 08:32 PM
Sabbath, I like your idea on the cans. Mine have masking tape and sharpie... It works but the stenciling seems more permanent and a good idea if that's the only use you'll have for them.

MachIVshooter
April 17, 2012, 09:13 PM
So my question is when does having a reasonable amount of ammo on hand cross into hording or a dooms day mentality? Is it having more ammo than you would normally shoot in say 6 month hoarding, or not being able to buy other things you want or need because you spent money on ammo become hoarding?

There is no finite number; It's the mentality of the individual that determines whether it is hoarding/prepping or just having lotsa ammo.

I know some SOT's who have an entire bay of their garage stacked ceiling-high with 7.62 and 5.56mm, probably at least a couple hundred thousand rounds. They do the MG shoots, and will easily burn through 10 or 20 cases in a busy weekend.

I also know people who have far less ammo than I do, but they're stated purpose in aqcuiring it is hoarding.

Me? I just buy it when the stars align and I have money at the same time ammo/components are on sale or being liquidated by an ex-handloader. I recently grabbed a bucket of 7.62 NATO brass for $75, which yeilded 1,400 good pieces after scrapping the stuff that went through a FA G3. Was I hurting for .308? No. Am I gonna buy that brass at 1/3 the normal price for once fired stuff? You bet!

Buy it cheap and stack it deep is an economist mindset. If you're gonna use it anyway, you might as well get it when you can get it for less. The poor folks who were paying $30+/box for .380 ACP or $10 for a box of primers in the last ammo crunch probably no longer believe you can have too much on hand. I was still loading and shooting stuff I'd bought well before then, and didn't bother to resupply until prices came back down to a more reasonable level. I don't have anywhere near a lifetime supply, but most likely enough to "weather the storm" if we see another shortage that sends prices sky high.

If that's what your ammo storage looks like...I can't even imagine what your firearms collection must be like....

I still have a few left after the boating accident ;)

bikerdoc
April 17, 2012, 09:24 PM
I don't have anywhere near a lifetime supply, but most likely enough to "weather the storm".


I can go two storms. :)

SabbathWolf
April 17, 2012, 09:37 PM
Sabbath, I like your idea on the cans. Mine have masking tape and sharpie... It works but the stenciling seems more permanent and a good idea if that's the only use you'll have for them.

Thanks.

I went with 2" stencils so I can tell instantly (as in an emergency) exactly what's in there at all times with no second guessing. Don't have to worry about it coming off...just like you say. Works pretty OK.

I even have a couple cans I designated strictly for 1st Aid stuff too.
Keeps it clean, dry and protected.
There must be a bazillion uses for ammo cans as long as the rubber seals are still good.
My black cat likes 'em...:D


http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v648/Swampdragon/5293f38b.jpg


P.S....
Pay no attention to the black & O.D. camo pattern.
That was nothing more than a result of a nice Sunday afternoon weather, boredom, left-over paint from a different project....and a 6-pack or more of cold beer that day....
It doesn't actually blend in with a damn thing....but I didn't care that day.
They still serve their purpose....
:D

ol' scratch
April 18, 2012, 07:25 PM
I have 700 reloaded rounds of .45, 600 9mm, 1500 .22 1362 (and components) .308, 2000 (and components) 30-06 700 .223 (and components).The only ammo I really NEED is 9mm Mak, and .357. I will correct that problem when payday comes. :D I should also mention I have 8 pounds of H 4895, 3 pounds of Unique, a pound of Bullseye and 2000 primers of each of the major rounds I shoot. I am set...for a while.

Carl N. Brown
April 18, 2012, 07:51 PM
Let's see. Last yaer I shot Vintage Military Rifle and Pistol, Modern Military Rifle and Pistol, four events, each event 10 rounds each at three targets, total 30 shots for score. Times four. 120. Seven months to the season. 7 times 120 equal 840 rounds per year for score only (not counting practice). I have over the years had "droughts" particularly in .45ACP and .30 M1 carbine. An act of desperation is having to buy Winchester .30 Carbine at 39.95 a box of 50 because nobody nowhere had anything else. I have learned to keep a two year supply of everything when it is in production and available at reasonable prices.

armoredman
April 18, 2012, 07:56 PM
I have no filled ammo cans, but I am happy with what I have for now. Storage can become an issue with large amounts of anything. :)

RoboDuck
April 19, 2012, 02:24 AM
A friend has a gun shop in West Tn. I just let him know what I want . I haven't been in a Walmart in years.

CZguy
April 19, 2012, 04:21 AM
I haven't been in a Walmart in years.

What do you do for entertainment? :D

SabbathWolf
April 19, 2012, 04:34 AM
What do you do for entertainment? :D

He lives in Tennessee.
He runs a dating service for siblings and cousins.
:D

armoredman
April 19, 2012, 05:25 PM
Oh, that's evil...funny, but evil.
Stopped in at WalMart, ammo shelves are full of calibers I don't use, empty of common SD calibers like 9mm, 45ACP and 38 special. Grabbed the last box of 12 gauge 00 Buck they had. Lots of 22lr, however, plenty of 30-30, 30-06, etc. I saw them stocking the shelves just a couple of days ago, too.
CZ-USA just announced they are backordered on everything as well, wonder how many other companies are going through this? I believe CzchpointUSA is also having a huge run on their products.

SabbathWolf
April 19, 2012, 10:13 PM
Oh, that's evil...funny, but evil.



I'm just kidding anyways.
Everybody knows that West Virginia has the same thing too but also includes extra options for livestock.....
:D

CZguy
April 20, 2012, 01:42 AM
I'm just kidding anyways.
Everybody knows that West Virginia has the same thing too but also includes extra options for livestock.....

Well..........kidding or not, don't get an otherwise good thread shut down.

SabbathWolf
April 20, 2012, 03:35 AM
Well..........kidding or not, don't get an otherwise good thread shut down.


Good point.
I'll stop now.
I was just teasin'.

Erik M
April 20, 2012, 04:38 AM
Since my experience in 08' Ive kept an undisclosed amount of ammo discreetly secured at the homestead. I became extremely tired of walking into local shops and superstores and only seeing white box .40 cal and federal birdshot, and if something useable did appear it was subject to a wild markup. not this year.

Nutbustd
April 22, 2012, 03:39 PM
Here in ********** ammo seems to be in short supply. My son and I have been building up our reloading supplies, espicially primers and powder. For bullets we have increased our purchase rate. Yes we are stock piling but with a possiblity of anti-gun zealot Omama cheating his way into office it is better to be prepared. We like to shoot alot in our family and I see Omama as doing all he can to get rid of our 2nd amendment. Learn to reload and cast bullets and you will be in a better position to enjoy shooting.

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