Idiot Scratch of ALL Time- 1911


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cyclopsshooter
April 11, 2012, 05:45 PM
Customer needing some cash sold this today.. Spent two hours polishing the flats (deep,still there) Maybe folk oughta pass a class before being able to own a 1911.. :banghead:

http://i415.photobucket.com/albums/pp233/wrc376/100_0840.jpg

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floydster
April 11, 2012, 05:52 PM
According the way the grip screw looks, it kind of match's:D

T Bran
April 11, 2012, 05:53 PM
Looks like someone kicked it spinning down an asphalt street.

Shamus MacD
April 11, 2012, 06:07 PM
I just got a loaded springlfield that had a really bad idiot scratch. Other than that its beautiful

cyclopsshooter
April 11, 2012, 06:33 PM
HA Yup.. the grip screws had to go too...

http://i415.photobucket.com/albums/pp233/wrc376/100_0844.jpg

iLikeOldgunsIlikeNewGuns
April 11, 2012, 07:20 PM
:what::eek::what:

hooooly moly, that is QUITE the idiot scratch, never seen one quite like that before...

looks like you polished the gun up real nice though! Glad that gun is going to a better home... by that I mean ANYONE besides the former owner!!!

tangomike706
April 11, 2012, 07:41 PM
If you wouldn't mind sharing, What did method did you go with , as far as polishing it up ? looks as though it's a vast improvement !

SharpsDressedMan
April 11, 2012, 08:02 PM
I had a pre WWII Government that had TWO strong idiot marks on the slide...one where it was in battery with slide forward, and the other when the slide was retracted for assembly/disassembly. Oh, and of couse, the usual one on the frame. Had to be a drunk sitting there, fighting with the slide stop during cleaning or re-assembly. The gun is long gone...wish I had a picture to share.............

The Lone Haranguer
April 11, 2012, 08:09 PM
Idiot scratch, you say? I had better not tell you about mine then. :uhoh:

cyclopsshooter
April 11, 2012, 08:17 PM
What did method did you go with

Detail Strip, Flitz, Dremel, felt polisher bit. Go slow and even-

This is the nice thing about SS guns- Beadblast, wire wheel, flitz friendly!

9mmepiphany
April 11, 2012, 08:47 PM
...at least they weren't bias in whether they were scratching high or low ;)

Walkalong
April 11, 2012, 08:51 PM
Don't know that I have seen it on the slide like that before. That is some serious talent.

Jaymo
April 11, 2012, 10:42 PM
I'm confused. Doesn't the slide stop on a 1911 just push straight in and out?
Both of mine have.

BamAlmighty
April 12, 2012, 12:19 AM
it adds character

mrvco
April 12, 2012, 12:24 AM
That makes me feel a lot better about mine :o

Carl N. Brown
April 12, 2012, 12:30 AM
At least my idiot scratch is only on the frame. (That being said on the record, I might have to take the precaution of putting tape on the slide before my next re-assembly.)

Greg528iT
April 12, 2012, 12:47 AM
Now to make sure that you polish the back of the back side of of the slide release. The backside of mine had a pretty sharp point. I dulled it so it wasn't sharp. Even with little or no pressure it would leave a mark.

cyclopsshooter
April 12, 2012, 12:51 AM
9mmepiphany, thanks for the vid links... apparently I need to move my left hand down one finger to get my left index off the trigger guard and onto the grip.. that DOES feel much more stable.. where the hell have I been?...

That makes me feel a lot better about mine

Yea, my old 70 Series don't look too bad about now...

Skylerbone
April 12, 2012, 02:43 AM
Saw pictures of one once that the smith had dubbed "Around the World and Back". You guessed it, a full circle of pain.

cyclopsshooter
April 12, 2012, 03:15 AM
"Around the World and Back"

That is classic- Oh my...

Schuey2002
April 12, 2012, 03:27 AM
I have seen more than a few used guns at various local dealers (and gunshows too) that look similar in appearance. They have scratches, dents, and dings all over them.. smh

kopcicle
April 12, 2012, 04:18 AM
Mine gets used , daily. If I was worried about scratches I never would have taken it out of the box .
Idiot scratch ? No , not lately , as in not since I had to FS in a hurry , in the dark due to an out of battery discharge . (Yup , little exciting ) .

~kop

FIVETWOSEVEN
April 12, 2012, 08:18 PM
I have seen more than a few used guns at various local dealers (and gunshows too) that look similar in appearance. They have scratches, dents, and dings all over them.. smh

Such a shame when people actually use their guns! The horror!

Dr.Rob
April 12, 2012, 11:32 PM
Haven't seen a mark like that the wasn't on a Nambu.

Skylerbone
April 13, 2012, 12:00 AM
I've posted this before but as the thread is specific to the idiot mark it bears repeating. The simplest way to deal with reinstallation of the slide stop is with the "log man" modification. You'll need a small triangular file and about 5 minutes. If the slide stop is new, you might grab a fine point Sharpie or other means of marking.

On a used stop, the detent will have polished a horizontal line in the stop that can be used as a reference. For a new slide stop, simply line it up and mark where the plunger makes contact. The pictures should be self-explanatory but remember while test fitting that the stop must clear the frame both top and bottom to slip in.

http://www.thehighroad.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=162311&d=1333810073

http://www.thehighroad.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=162312&d=1333810131

http://www.thehighroad.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=162313&d=1333810176

I've yet to leave that particular mark on any 1911 to date but log man's mod. makes it so simple a caveman could do it. Note pic. 3 the slide stop is not lined up properly with the slide as it slid forward while I snapped the pic.

PigButtons
April 13, 2012, 12:12 AM
SkyB:

Thanks for posting the pics. I had not seen that mod and will definitely do it to my 1911s.

cyclopsshooter
April 13, 2012, 12:27 AM
That is a nifty idea!

Schuey2002
April 13, 2012, 12:41 AM
Such a shame when people actually use their guns! The horror!
This is much more than just simple use of a firearm.

These are guns looked like they have been abused by people who didn't give a crap about their firearms.. lol

Skylerbone
April 13, 2012, 12:46 AM
It can definitely save some heartache and embarrassment and allows for tactile feel in less than ideal lighting. Sorry my pics aren't as good as Log's (which can be found elsewhere on the Net) but I don't post content belonging to others and links to other sites just aren't fun. I've polished out my dad's Colt twice and though Uncle Sam learned him well and he carried one overseas arthritic hands don't always cooperate with a willing mind.

Cyclops, it's a great way to add a little assurance to a new customer that they will be more than capable of field stripping the dreaded 1911. I've seen several smiths offer this modification on their price list since I stumbled across Log's posting, usually charging around $15.

cyclopsshooter
April 13, 2012, 12:51 AM
Yup, already hatching that out ;) I assume most of us here are capitalists :D

Skylerbone
April 13, 2012, 01:20 AM
Ahh comrade, wery good! :D

FIVETWOSEVEN
April 13, 2012, 02:29 AM
This is much more than just simple use of a firearm.

These are guns looked like they have been abused by people who didn't give a crap about their firearms.. lol

More like a firearm that is well used. Abuse would be trying to ruin it. It looks to me like it was used as a truck gun without a holster which in my opinion is fine as long as it's not chambered. My carry gun has some holster wear and has some scratches on the slide and polymer frame. Is that abuse too?

Schuey2002
April 13, 2012, 02:54 AM
More like a firearm that is well used. Abuse would be trying to ruin it. It looks to me like it was used as a truck gun without a holster which in my opinion is fine as long as it's not chambered. My carry gun has some holster wear and has some scratches on the slide and polymer frame. Is that abuse too?
I am referring to guns that I have seen locally, not your own gun.

This wasn't normal wear and tear. These guns looked like they had been taken apart with a ball peen hammer. Or their finishes had been gouged with a screwdriver. And then they were being resold to people who didn't know the difference between normal wear and tear, and downright owner stupidity..

FIVETWOSEVEN
April 13, 2012, 03:30 AM
This wasn't normal wear and tear. These guns looked like they had been taken apart with a ball peen hammer. Or their finishes had been gouged with a screwdriver. And then they were being resold to people who didn't know the difference between normal wear and tear, and downright owner stupidity..

I did use the wrong size screw driver on my Hi Power's grip screws and it was scratched up quite a bit. It wasn't bad but you could still see it. It was already covered with scratches anyway from use. I didn't abuse it, I used it. I just see scratches on that gun that looks as though it was just stored somewhere without a holster. The idiot mark is something else but other then that, what's the problem? Abuse is intentional, this is not. Not every gun is pristine or has slight holster wear. If my gun falls out of it's holster when running and gets scuffed up, does that mean I should get charged with firearm abuse?

My new AK 74 that I got last week is developing character from use and I like it. If they were abusing that gun, you would see a lot more then just some scuffs and an idiot mark.

Skylerbone
April 13, 2012, 04:19 AM
Most accidents are still preventable and it irks me to no end when other drivers decide my vehicle needs some honest wear in the form of door dings and bumper wrinkles. I don't try to hit stumps and branches when driving fire lanes-it happens-but I take no additional pride in losing paint or replacing busted shocks (broke one last week). An ounce of prevention, whether it saves a grip screw bushing or an idiot scratch, seems worth it to me. A final thought on those idiot marks on used 1911s: when I see them I can't help but wonder whether or not the previous owner knew what he was doing and that affects the price I'm willing to pay.

Bmac1949
April 13, 2012, 03:12 PM
Skyb, Thanks for the tip. maybe now, my idiot marks won't get any worse. I had wondered how those guys got the slide stop to just drop in. Now I know.

Skylerbone
April 13, 2012, 04:50 PM
Some OEM stops slip right in, in fact every SW1911 I've handled including the one demonstrated has but having rebarreled it and swapped out the slide stop made the modification a real improvement.

Glad you guys like it, if you ever run across log man online THANK HIM! He is a wealth of information and assistance who seemingly never tires of sharing with others.

NG VI
April 13, 2012, 05:19 PM
I bought a kadet kit for my CZ PCR. As I was assembling it to the PCR frame in my old FFL's garage, I got it together, and immediately dropped it right on the muzzle end of the slide.

Onto his concrete floor. Not so bad, not a gorgeous finish anyway, but damn did I feel like a special little guy.

meanmrmustard
April 14, 2012, 10:01 AM
More like a firearm that is well used. Abuse would be trying to ruin it. It looks to me like it was used as a truck gun without a holster which in my opinion is fine as long as it's not chambered. My carry gun has some holster wear and has some scratches on the slide and polymer frame. Is that abuse too?
Thought you had to be 21 to carry in your state?

FIVETWOSEVEN
April 14, 2012, 12:14 PM
Thought you had to be 21 to carry in your state?

18 is the age here.

meanmrmustard
April 14, 2012, 02:23 PM
18 is the age here.
Apologies, I thought you were referring to concealed carry.

shinyroks
April 14, 2012, 02:49 PM
Skyler,

nice fix, I'm going to have to do that. My springer has a detent that stickes out so far I have to use a screwdriver to help it in. Yes, I did put an idiot mark on the slide once for this :P. Thanks for the elegant solution.

See, I don't mind a small idiot mark on the bottom, doesn't mean the guy didn't know what he was doing, he just wasn't anal about the finish on the gun. the slide mark takes more effort, and a 1x mark isnt bad, but making a habit of it would get me to worrying...

FIVETWOSEVEN
April 15, 2012, 12:49 AM
Apologies, I thought you were referring to concealed carry.

I open carry at the moment, although at the moment I would have to go through court to get my permit because of the chief being unchallenged and making his own rules, I can get a Pistol Permit (NH CCW).

meanmrmustard
April 15, 2012, 08:17 AM
I open carry at the moment, although at the moment I would have to go through court to get my permit because of the chief being unchallenged and making his own rules, I can get a Pistol Permit (NH CCW).
Right on. In my state anyone over 21 who is not a felon may carry a weapon in their vehicle under peaceable transport without concealed carry permit. Therefore, I have my truck guns that I carry, but I do not conceal exclusively on my person even though I'm permitted. Other than maybe East St Louis, I don't go anywhere that I feel unsafe or threatened. Soooooo...my pistols stay relatively unscathed, but they do get used. Trust me, they get used!

JDGray
April 15, 2012, 09:04 AM
Some people buy guns to shoot, dont care about the finish. Nice job fixing it!

Seen a youtube vidio of a guy properly breaking in a rifle, he threw it on the ground, beat the hell out of it, shot it, repeat!!! Maybe you picked up his pistol:)

Fatdaddy
April 15, 2012, 09:43 AM
Looks like he tried to kick start it.:neener:

Mr.357Sig
August 26, 2012, 12:52 PM
Looks like someone kicked it spinning down an asphalt street.

LOL. Good one. ;)

bbuddtec
August 26, 2012, 10:30 PM
...had trouble gettin' it in the first hole, repeatedly... "... here's yer sign..."

love the kickstart, definitely.

hehe

Greg528iT
August 26, 2012, 10:40 PM
I'm confused. Doesn't the slide stop on a 1911 just push straight in and out?
Both of mine have.

I've found the pin can extend too far. As if the counter bore in the housing is cut too deep.Would not take much. I've shortened the slide stop pin so it extends out of the tube to the drawing spec. measure it, mark it, chuck the pin up in a drill and slowly round the pin down. If you screw up, buy a new spring and plunger pin, they are like $5.

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