Babies (15mo.) at gun shows??


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franconialocal
April 11, 2012, 06:44 PM
I saw a thread on kids at gun shows (being little brats, not keeping hands off stuff, etc.) but what are your thoughts about babies at shows (15 mo just getting mobile)? My girlfriend says "so what" but I think I'm on the fence about it a little more for two reasons....

1. "I'll bring the stroller"....no way, no room for a stroller. The place gets PACKED with people (DiPrentis shows, Concord NH) so I've already made up my mind about the stroller.

2. The whole "baby at a gun show" thing. I just think it's a little bit inappropriate, but I can't really articulate why I think that way. Maybe my thought is that it's really reserved more for adults just intrinsically, but at 15 mo. it's more of a safety thing for me. God forbid if anything were to happen to that little bugger...I would never forgive myself, and sometimes mistakes do happen at those venues. Yes, I probably have a greater chance of getting in a crash to/from the event, but.......thoughts??

Oh, let me explain too...all this baby stuff is pretty new to me so my "fatherly instincts" may be kicking in a bit here too :)

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1KPerDay
April 11, 2012, 06:54 PM
Long as you don't flop him down on a rifle table and change a stinky one, doesn't bother me none... :)

WC145
April 11, 2012, 06:57 PM
Seriously? You're thinking too hard. Dress 'em in camo and bring 'em along! Besides, what else are you going to do with 'em, put out big bowls of food and water and let the cat watch 'em? That's worse than a gun show. Cats are bad, they steal the breath from babies.

SlamFire1
April 11, 2012, 07:00 PM
As long as the kid can pass the instant check, what's the problem? :D

The Lone Haranguer
April 11, 2012, 07:00 PM
Get 'em started early, I always say. :D

The whole "baby at a gun show" thing. I just think it's a little bit inappropriate, but I can't really articulate why I think that way. Maybe my thought is that it's really reserved more for adults just intrinsically, but at 15 mo. it's more of a safety thing for me.
I am curious as to just what you think is going to happen. Surely you're not going to stay at home until the child is 18. :p

If you and your GF go together, you can take turns carrying and watching him or her, no need for a cumbersome stroller. IMO the stimulation would be good for the developing mind.

larryh1108
April 11, 2012, 07:03 PM
I agree with the no stroller idea. No room and you'll constantly run into the achille's heels of a lot of people (ask me how I know). You can use one of those carriers strapped on like a knapsack on the front but if there is a 15 month old child there he can't be able to reach and grab like they tend to do.

The feeling you may have but can't explain may be similar to taking the same 15 month old child into a bar with you while you drink (forget about the smoke issue if that is present). It just doesn't feel right for some reason. While there is nothing "wrong" with it, it goes against your inner psyche.

I agree that toddlers and kids who grab do not belong at gun/knife shows. Kids can be grabby until they are 4 or 5, maybe 6. Some don't stop grabbing until they are even older. Just my opinion but I've been a vendor at gun shows and I've seen more than I care to.

The Lone Haranguer
April 11, 2012, 07:07 PM
Pictures might help us to make up our minds ...

bikerdoc
April 11, 2012, 07:08 PM
Perspective,

Im 63, got kids 36, 34, 32,and 30, got grand kids 2, 4, 5, 6.

the 5 and 6 live with us and we have had custody for 3 years. Been taking them to gun shows since they were 2 . They TOUCH NOTHING.

Get tired, we leave or carry them.
Never, ever, bring a stroller, I will give you a look if you do.
Bottom line; Relax, carry the baby, have a good time. I suspect you are going to be a terrific dad.

Ragnar Danneskjold
April 11, 2012, 07:10 PM
I prefer a "1 strike" rule with kids. And not just for gun shows. Include grocery stores, wal-mart, anywhere. If your kid is loud, obnoxious, grabbing things, destructive, etc even one time, don't ever bring them back. I'm honestly in favor of a "no children allowed" rule for most public places, but I know that won't fly. So just make sure they are not interfering with anyone else, either with sound, smells, or physically.

Yo Mama
April 11, 2012, 07:13 PM
Some of my best memories of my oldest at 15 months old to the NRA convention. Yup, had the big stoller to as I had to go on my own. Who cares, my big concern is they grow up knowing more than others about guns and knives. Plus many people there let me in front of them making lines quicker!

My oldest is turning 5, and knows the difference in shotgun/rifle/pistol/revolver, as well as major gun parts and calibers. SHE DOESN'T CALL IT A CLIP! :)

Buck Kramer
April 11, 2012, 07:26 PM
But if I have to pay full price this little guy (hold up baby) will starve :)

JustinJ
April 11, 2012, 07:26 PM
Just as long as you take him outside if he starts screaming his little head off.

franconialocal
April 11, 2012, 07:31 PM
Thanks for the compliment Doc....nice of you to say. Good points, all of you esp. the ones about changing his diaper on a show table and dressing him all in camo :D

Yes, my GF says I'm "overreacting" with my concerns but having been a police officer for just shy of ten years has me full of "what if's" anyway!

I guess if mom is comfortable and no one will have a problem at the show with it then it's a go!

Starter52
April 11, 2012, 07:47 PM
I'm with franconialocal on this, mostly. I don't mind kids at gun shows per se, but strollers should not be allowed.

Rail Driver
April 11, 2012, 07:50 PM
My son has been accompanying me to gun shows since he was born, and now his little sister joins us. He's 3 and she just turned 1. They're both polite, well mannered kids (in public anyway), so I have no problems taking them anywhere I go.

The stroller doubles as a cart to tote any firearms I bring with me or come home with.

WilleRupert
April 11, 2012, 07:52 PM
I have faced the same dilemma. So far it has kept me from going to a couple shows. I dunno, seems like a punchline to a Jeff Foxworthy joke to me. You know you're a redneck if...

Sam1911
April 11, 2012, 07:57 PM
All mine have attended gun shows since they were infants -- though I've lost much interest in going to gun shows over the years.

I can't remember any time they touched something inappropriate or threw any tantrums. The show vendors were universally very positive toward me, and friendly to them as well, often going out of their way to make sure the kids got to pick from their candy bowl or got an extra cookie.

They got to spend time with me, which they loved, in one of "my" places/activities, which they thought was pretty cool, and they got yet another bit of exposure to guns in a positive setting, which I think is pretty cool.

I can't imagine anyone being so self-defeating as to bar the young from participation in at least the community or atmosphere of active RKBA, if not actual shooting itself. These little ones are our future! Exclude them from your life and by the time you think they're "ready" to participate ... chances are other influences will have stolen their attention out from under you.

DammitBoy
April 11, 2012, 08:04 PM
Well-behaved children should always attend gunshows with their parents.

SharpsDressedMan
April 11, 2012, 08:18 PM
It still is a free country, isn't it? If the powers of the gun show mgmt don't care, why should anyone else?

rcmodel
April 11, 2012, 08:38 PM
I'd rather have 65 babies & mothers taking care of them then 50 gazillion old geezers crowding the aisles bull-shipping and not shopping, semi-adults pointing laser sights at my chest from six isles over, or teenage mall-ninjas swinging samurai swords like Bruce Lee as I try to crowd by them!

Give me the baby's & toddlers any day!
They are small enough I can push them out of the way, and they aren't armed.

rc

Walkalong
April 11, 2012, 08:58 PM
Long as you don't flop him down on a rifle table and change a stinky one, doesn't bother me none...Yep. I do get a little annoyed with the strollers though, just ain't enough room many times.

Tinpig
April 11, 2012, 09:03 PM
We had four children over a ten year span and my wife is a nurse...she works weekend shifts. So for 20 years, if I wanted to go somewhere on a weekend, one or more kids accompanied me, either in a backpack or on foot.

A gun show would be no different from a horse-pulling contest at the County Fair. Keep a sharp eye on them and reward good behavior with food. They actually enjoyed Saturday outings with Dad, which always included donuts and flatulence contests.

Tinpig

moewadle
April 11, 2012, 10:14 PM
make them behave. Kids are a part of our world. We were all kids once. We cannot always leave them at home. Bringing them to gun shows is a way of acclimating them to the real world. The main thing is...parents need to control them. Period.

If kids bother some adults (that are not related to the children) that is the adults' problem as long as the parent is controlling his children. If you want to live in a world without kids go live in a retirement community and stay away from gun shows. Kids are people, too.

knoxy
April 11, 2012, 10:33 PM
I've seen little kids at the several gun shows I've been to. Never been a problem.

If you can get one, there's a framed backpack carrier that'll stand on its own when set down. Great for carrying the kid for long periods and leaves your hands free. Plus its got pockets for kid necessities.

Get him plenty rested beforehand, tired cranky kids are no fun. Let him know the no-touch rule up front and bring something to keep him occupied. reward good behavior.

Relax & have fun!

TennJed
April 11, 2012, 10:36 PM
i have taken my kids to the local gun shows via strollers. the ones here have plenty of walking room in between tables. i probably would not do it without a stroller though.

or if they are small enough just stuff them in a tactical backpack

hso
April 11, 2012, 10:41 PM
I just think it's a little bit inappropriate, but I can't really articulate why I think that way.

Probably because there's nothing logical behind it. How is a baby going to be harmed by being at a guns how as long at they're not under foot or grabbing at dangerous things? How are the other attendees going to be harmed as long as the child isn't in a stroller, under foot, or grabbing onto things?

Perhaps there's a deep seated idea that a gun show is an exclusively male gathering where behavior that wouldn't be acceptable elsewhere somehow is acceptable there?

I don't know, but we have babies in chest and back carriers as well as kids and as long as they're not causing problems for others they're welcome.

hAkron
April 11, 2012, 11:35 PM
There's always people at the gun shoes around here that smell like they have pooped themselves, what's one more?

valnar
April 11, 2012, 11:42 PM
How do you feed babies the deer jerky they sell at gun shows? That's about the only problem. :p

A toddler that can walk, but behaves? No problem.

exavid
April 12, 2012, 12:59 AM
At gun shows hosted by my gun club we let 'em in free if they're under 12. Shooting ought to be a family thing anyway. I've worked the past eight shows there and we've never had a problem with little kids. I've taken my grand kids to gun shows and no one seemed upset by them.

FIVETWOSEVEN
April 12, 2012, 01:09 AM
If you're going Saturday, I doubt there will be room enough for a stroller. Saturday is always packed at that show and strollers will make things tough. I recommend just carrying the kid and making it a team effort between you and your girlfriend.

shiftyer1
April 12, 2012, 01:53 AM
I see nothing wrong with bringing well behaved kids to gun shows. The key word is well behaved. I you can't control your kids keep them on a leash or at home.

At 15 months this is really a non issue. He/she may get cranky, may decide to just holler all day or just may nap and giggle and play with anyone who smiles at them.

Try to catch a nap with your child before going and bring snacks and a couple toys and some juice. A stroller is a big plus if your going to be there for more than a little bit.

If your child decides to throw a temper tantrum. The majority of the other folks are wishing they could relive that age for a little bit, some are experienceing it right now and the few others ain't got there yet.

It's the half growed ones that don't know how to act that upset folks. Don't miss the chances you get at that age.....it don't last long.

And if you think you need an excuse.......your just looking for a .22 that your child seems to like or reacts to:)

If you like guns teach your kids, the earlier the better within reason.

If you don't like guns......teach them anyway, the ealier the better. Odds are pretty good they'll find one somewhere. Being almost positive they'll respond correctly is, as they say priceless.

Deus Machina
April 12, 2012, 02:03 AM
If they can walk or you can carry them--and they can handle some place so crowded and loud, it's all good.

Besides, what else are you going to do with 'em, put out big bowls of food and water and let the cat watch 'em? That's worse than a gun show. Cats are bad, they steal the breath from babies.

Hey, that's what my dad used to do with me, except my nanny was a doberman.
Not sure what you have against cats, though. I love 'em. Just wish I could climb the trees after them.

olderguns
April 12, 2012, 11:00 AM
I say ban them all not only gun show places like disney, they slow me down too much and while we are at it, ban the geezers too, if they block/slow me down they should not be there, after all it's all about ME isn't it....:evil:


















;)in case you can't tell just pulling your chain....;)

tdstout
April 12, 2012, 11:15 AM
I say ban them all not only gun show places like disney, they slow me down too much

Don't like to wait in line to get your picture taken with goofy? :rolleyes:

The majority of people won't care if you bring your kid, so just be sure they don't grab anything dangerous or get away from you and have fun!

taliv
April 12, 2012, 11:20 AM
as long as they don't choke on beef jerky, who cares?

you just need to cut it up for them

MachIVshooter
April 12, 2012, 11:20 AM
I've only been to one show with my twin daughters, they were 17 months. They slept most of the time, were just quietly looking around for the remainder. Didn't bother anyone, and by the time they were done, so was I. I go about every other year and last about an hour and a half tops.

beatledog7
April 12, 2012, 11:36 AM
Self-ambulatory hildren who are well controlled ought to be welcomed; strollers ought to be verbotten!

I'm sure there must be exceptions, but most of the stroller parents I have observed seem oblivious to the space they're taking up and the traffic jams they're causing.

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April 12, 2012, 11:58 AM
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Certaindeaf
April 12, 2012, 12:08 PM
I push around a triple wide just to carry my stuff. You should hear the crying!

Salmoneye
April 12, 2012, 12:18 PM
Backpack...

303tom
April 12, 2012, 12:32 PM
I would not take any kid to a gun show, what he or she knew what they were doing.

cheesebigot
April 12, 2012, 12:33 PM
Gun shows are some of the best ways to teach kids about all the various types of firearms, ammo, and trappings that come along with the shooting community, even more so if they have a budding interest.

I bring the princess with me every time I go and have never been scoffed at or discouraged from bringing her to future events. I even got a 75% discount on a "tactical" backpack I bought in which to carry her! :D

SharpsDressedMan
April 12, 2012, 04:58 PM
If it's too crowded for a stroller, how does a guy in a wheelchair get around? Sounds like the gun show promoters need to do a little expansion, or control the number of attendees or tables. Greed might be making them pack too many vendors in..........

justin 561
April 12, 2012, 07:57 PM
Just swing by the jerky table every 15mins, its a 2-for-1 deal, keep em busy and feed em lunch!

olderguns
April 12, 2012, 08:56 PM
tdstout,
No not goofy, it's Donald Duck I want a picture with.:neener:
and for what its worth I try to take my daughters to all the gun shows with me.watch them and no should care

brewthunda
April 12, 2012, 09:22 PM
I've brought my son to a number of knife shows when he was 2 and 3 years old and he had a great time. Bringing a stroller was key, as he would eventually just fall asleep and I could continue to enjoy the show for hours. I don't think I got one weird look. The knife ladies loved him.

orionengnr
April 12, 2012, 10:47 PM
I prefer a "1 strike" rule with kids. And not just for gun shows. Include grocery stores, wal-mart, anywhere. If your kid is loud, obnoxious, grabbing things, destructive, etc even one time, don't ever bring them back. I'm honestly in favor of a "no children allowed" rule for most public places, but I know that won't fly. So just make sure they are not interfering with anyone else, either with sound, smells, or physically.
Yep, that's the way i was raised and i wish more parents would observe this. I'm to the point where i cannot enjoy a dinner at a restaurant anymore.

As far as the stroller goes, that depends upon the density of participants and width of aisles.

Our DFW gun shows are nearly always packed, but there are a number of folks in wheelchairs/electric vehicles/strollers and although they slow the flow a bit, I've never seen anyone have a problem with it.

beatledog7
April 12, 2012, 11:01 PM
If it's too crowded for a stroller, how does a guy in a wheelchair get around?

People in wheelchairs, by my less than scientific analysis, are more considerate than stroller parents.

IdahoSkies
April 12, 2012, 11:25 PM
Others might be a bit unhappy, but bring the stroller. If you can, use one of the collapsible umbrella strollers (walmart has them for $20 I think). They are small, in obtrusive and very easy to maneuver.

I have done it and had a great time, got lots of nice comments (I have five girls), but would never do it without a stroller. Strap them in. Bring something small that can keep their hands busy, and have a good time. Just know that your "footprint" is bigger and act accordingly.

Dnaltrop
April 12, 2012, 11:34 PM
http://www.snugli.com/

I wore one of these for all 3 of my kids. (literally, the first one still is in great shape for a 10 year old carrier)

Keeps the hands free, and forces you to keep good posture too.

Just don't bring 'em to the range like that.

doc2rn
April 13, 2012, 01:37 AM
There's always people at the gun shoes around here that smell like they have pooped themselves, what's one more?

hAkron: that is sooooooo true I dont understand the no washing rule up here in NE Ohio! It is extremely grose!

I have taken my daughter to many of them over the years and she always finds something she likes! Me on the other hand, I often come away dissappointed.

ErikO
April 13, 2012, 07:49 AM
Doing so will help you avoid the situation I am in. My son was not exposed to guns until last year (long story) and now I have a ten year old that has a near meltdown at gun shows. He gets VERY worried about all the guns 'pointing at him'. :( I'm sure that will change after he gets his Crickett, but still...

45Badger
April 13, 2012, 07:50 AM
I took mine to same show in Concord and many others. Use a heavy duty stroller so you can carry ammo out easier.

When they got a little bigger, we used the little tykes plastic wagon. I could drag two kids. Older kid could drag little brother. We could drag ammo and reloading supplies. All good.

evan price
April 13, 2012, 09:26 AM
Why not bring your kids? It's not a pedophile convention. As far as strollers- want to ban strollers, fine. I want to ban those electric Hoverround scooters. People seem to like to ping-pong down the middle of the aisles and are often rude about blocking stuff. The big red wagon idea is great, I've got one that uses hand-truck pneumatic tires and sits up high. Kids can see something besides people's thighs, and it can be used to haul cases of ammo.

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