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dubya450
April 12, 2012, 01:21 AM
When the heck is the Gen 4 glock 20 coming out! I've been waiting and waiting. Anyway, my real question is do any of you think glock will ever come out with a single stack 9mm? If so would you buy one? Why or why not. I'm sure there are countless threads on this topic but figured it could use a re-fresher.

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PabloJ
April 12, 2012, 02:40 AM
When the heck is the Gen 4 glock 20 coming out! I've been waiting and waiting. Anyway, my real question is do any of you think glock will ever come out with a single stack 9mm? If so would you buy one? Why or why not. I'm sure there are countless threads on this topic but figured it could use a re-fresher.
No. The 26 with ten round magazine is perfect and will accept standard size 9x19 magazines up to and including 33 round ones. There is no reason to sacrifice capacity for about 10mm of grip thickness. I wish those who can't take extra thickness loose adipose tissue around their waists and quit bothering Glock about solving problem that does not exist.

GLOOB
April 12, 2012, 04:03 AM
I think a single stack Glock is something that everyone wants but hardly anyone would buy. Kinda like the 9mm revolver. I'm sure Gaston will get around to it once he's bored of rolling around in big piles of money from the guns that actually sell millions of units.

wickedsprint
April 12, 2012, 06:16 AM
No. The 26 with ten round magazine is perfect and will accept standard size 9x19 magazines up to and including 33 round ones. There is no reason to sacrifice capacity for about 10mm of grip thickness. I wish those who can't take extra thickness loose adipose tissue around their waists and quit bothering Glock about solving problem that does not exist.

Lots of happy Kahr Keltec and Ruger owners that strongly disagree with you.

beeenbag
April 12, 2012, 06:24 AM
and quit bothering Glock about solving problem that does not exist for me.



There I fixed that for you. You might not like single stacks but exactly who are you to decide that everybody should carry a double stack 9?

ku4hx
April 12, 2012, 06:26 AM
When? When they're convinced doing so will grow their business, increase stockholder equity and increase their bottom line. Until all three conditions are met, they know it will be foolish to compete with companies already filling that niche.

ku4hx
April 12, 2012, 06:27 AM
No. The 26 with ten round magazine is perfect and will accept standard size 9x19 magazines up to and including 33 round ones. There is no reason to sacrifice capacity for about 10mm of grip thickness. I wish those who can't take extra thickness loose adipose tissue around their waists and quit bothering Glock about solving problem that does not exist.
+1 ....

mooner
April 12, 2012, 10:48 AM
When? When they're convinced doing so will grow their business, increase stockholder equity and increase their bottom line. Until all three conditions are met, they know it will be foolish to compete with companies already filling that niche.

Hey Mr. Smartypants, Glock is privately held. :neener:

jem375
April 12, 2012, 11:14 AM
With all the problems the Gen. 4's are having, I wouldn't want one anyway.

2wheels
April 12, 2012, 11:18 AM
Ah the good ol' "If Glock doesn't make it then you don't need it" syndrome again :) If you look at Glocks that way, they should have stopped at the Gen1 17. Perfection right?

I don't see a problem with Glock making a single stack 9/40, they obviously don't have a problem with the concept since they did it with their .45. I guess more people whined about their fatter double stack .45 frames though.

There's a market for these guns though, and if Glock doesn't want a piece I certainly don't care. Ruger, Keltec, Kahr and others are perfectly happy with Glock staying out of their game.

ForumSurfer
April 12, 2012, 11:43 AM
With all the problems the Gen. 4's are having, I wouldn't want one anyway.

Me either! Oh, wait, I forgot I own a gen4 g19 with more than 5K rounds downrange that hasn't had a single hiccup...along with a gen4 34 and a gen4 26. :)

Would I buy a single stack 9mm glock? Let's call it a g25.5. No, I wouldn't. With the slide being the thickest part on my g26 in my waistband...why on earth would I care about a narrower grip? It isn't going to make a bit of difference unless you narrow the slide...in which case it would be a completely new gun with redesigned internals causing me to wait a year and see if it has the new model blues. It still won't fit in my pockets, so it is still a waistband gun for me. The only way my glock slips easily and discretely into my pockets is if I just put the slide in there. I think this is the reason the g36 never gained any hardcore momentum. It is still around, but it never really took the concealed carry crowd by storm.

But now it appears s&w will reveal a single stack m&p today to go up against the single stack xds 45 in sales. I'm sure many more calibers will follow suit with each brand if the initial offering makes good sales. So it would make sense for glock to manufacture a single stack even if I really don't see how it helps me conceal the gun any better.

I have purchased a cw9 in the past as a reliable, no frills single stack 9. But it is considerably narrower than a glock. I don't think you can ever create a thin glock without changing the design due to the way the barrel locks up. You also run into issues with grip thickness because glock mags are naturally thick, being that they are made of steel with a polymer shell. They'd need to abandon that to narrow the grip and just go with stainless mags.

mrvco
April 12, 2012, 11:59 AM
I recently purchased a CW9, so I'm off the single-stack 9MM Glock bandwagon :cool:

But if they did do whatever they needed to do to create a competitive single-stack 9mm, I'd like to see it based on the 19's grip rather than the 26's.

jdh
April 12, 2012, 12:34 PM
Coming soon The Shield from Smith & Wesson. Single stack, polymer frame, striker fired CHECK

Now if they would make a M&P10 I could completely divest myself of anything glock.

daytodaze
April 12, 2012, 01:43 PM
How much would a single stack help with concealability? Seems like you couldn't make the slide I'd already as thin as it can be

ku4hx
April 12, 2012, 01:57 PM
Hey Mr. Smartypants, Glock is privately held. :neener:
True, but if you think the private owners don't want to make more money, increase the value of their company and have more business you need to think again.

Just because a company is privately held, doesn't exclude them from the need to have a good business model that advances then financially. If anything, privately held companies need that more than publicly held because they basically have all their [fewer] eggs in a much smaller basket.

Do you seriously believe Glock the corporation is philanthropic in nature?

Mike OTDP
April 12, 2012, 02:03 PM
I don't think a single-stack Glock would do nearly as well as a frame with a grip angle close to a 1911 or Sig.

Arkansas Paul
April 12, 2012, 03:05 PM
I could see it for the 10mm. I purchased a Sig 2022 the other day and would have bought a G20 that they had in the case if it hadn't been so darn big. My hands are small though, even the G20 SF is on the large side for me. Love the feel of the Gen 4s though. Would love to see a model 20.

Fishbed77
April 12, 2012, 03:48 PM
Anyway, my real question is do any of you think glock will ever come out with a single stack 9mm?

Why wait for Glock?

Walther already makes this pistol. It's called the PPS, and it's already a better pistol than Glock would make.

mooner
April 12, 2012, 04:15 PM
True, but if you think the private owners don't want to make more money, increase the value of their company and have more business you need to think again.

In case you couldn't tell, that was a snarky reply to your comment on stock holder equity. Nothing personal.

I assure you I understand the way a business model works. However, it does seem that compact single stack 9's are the new fad. Ask Ruger if it was good for their business to go after the 380 craze a few years ago.

In it's early days Glock built their business by predicting market trends and getting on early. It seems they may be getting a bit lazy and resting on their laurels. Probably due to the old man getting too old and hanging out with women way too young.

atomd
April 12, 2012, 09:06 PM
I might be interested in a Gen4 model 20. So far I think the Gen 4 has the best frame/mag release out of any glock. They had some issues (most of those issues showed up in Gen 3 guns too btw)....but they seem gtg now. I just got a Gen 4 model 17 and it's been spot on so far. I was hesitant at first but after reading up on them and handling them I gave it a go. So far so good.

351 WINCHESTER
April 12, 2012, 11:08 PM
Why are glocks so much bulkier than my Browning high power? Do glocks need to be so darn thick?

WaywardSon
April 13, 2012, 12:21 AM
Why are glocks so much bulkier than my Browning high power? Do glocks need to be so darn thick?
Well...all those bullets gotta go somewhere:-)

Overall size and in particular grip size is the biggest complaint I have with my Glock 20. I don't have huge hands & it is just a lot of pistol. However, that broad grip does work to your advantage in helping to tame recoil. Every gun made is full of compromises in their design...we choose the ones with the most features that work for us.

HKGuns
April 14, 2012, 10:53 AM
Why wait for Glock?

Walther already makes this pistol. It's called the PPS, and it's already a better pistol than Glock would make.

Bingo!

RLZIII
April 14, 2012, 11:30 AM
Why are glocks so much bulkier than my Browning high power? Do glocks need to be so darn thick?
The Browning Hi Power is around 1.42 inches thick, while the Glock 9mm/40S&W/380ACP/357SIG/45GAP models are only 1.18 inches thick, and the Glock 10mm/45ACP models are only 1.28 thick. While I don't have the measurements for comparison, what makes the Gen1 through Gen3 models feel thicker is the length of the grip horizontally. The SF (Slim Frame) models helped fix that problem, while the Gen4 Glocks have allows the user to choose the size (the lack of a back strap makes the firearm feel like an SF model).

Glocks do at time feel thicker than other handguns, but the numbers don't show it. Really it's just with how the frame is shaped that makes the user feel that way.

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