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ExAgoradzo
April 13, 2012, 01:10 PM
OK just musing:

These are the guns that I think you would need to cover all situations in NAmerica. Obviously preference is happening here (that's why I want your opinions). When specific the rifle I think is important as well as the round.

Rifles
Marlin 1895 SBL 45-70
.338 Win Mag
M1A Socom (SHTF gun)
270 (Love my BAR!)
.223 SHTF gun and varmint gun
22 target rifle (remember, this is minimalist, otherwise I would have said 17HMR...but 22 are so cheap and plentiful.)

Shotguns
A5 12 gauge (beautiful and effective)
Mossberg 12 guage with an extra rifled barrel perhaps also a short barrel and a pistol grip stock (cheap, dirty duty, etc)

Autoloaders
1911 (Kimber :) )
9mm or 40 cal with large cap mag (SHTF)
22 target pistol

Revolvers
(All Rugers :) )
44 mag Redhawk
357 Blackhawk
22

That's 14 guns (You can see I favor the rifles over the pistols, but as I see it this is what someone would need in NA. You might, for example say 375 H&H instead of the 338, but that's my thoughts.

What do you think? Would any of you get more specific on the models than I have?

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Certaindeaf
April 13, 2012, 01:24 PM
.308
.223
12ga
9mm
.44mag
2 .22's

waterhouse
April 13, 2012, 01:35 PM
Fine list and all, but seems like there is a bit of overlap for minimalism.

What will the .45-70 accomplish that a 12 ga. slug or .338 won't do? Could the .338 be downloaded to cover the role that the .270 fills? Two 12 gauges are necessary? What is to be gained by having a .357 and a .44?

I'm all for owning a lot of guns, but my minimalist list would scratch a lot of your guns off.

CmpsdNoMore
April 13, 2012, 01:36 PM
That isn't necessarily what I would call "minimal".

Due to budget I'm working towards my "minimalist" collection before looking at buying firearms "just for fun".

I currently have:
Ruger Sp101 - .357 magnum
Mossberg 500 - 12 gauge
Ruger 10/22 carbine - .22LR

Next I'll be getting:
Ar-15 - .223 custom build, in the making. This will be for coyote and self defense (my wife doesn't like the shotgun).
Ruger scout rifle, Mauser or other C&R rifle - .308 or other larger round for deer.

I figured with these four guns I can cover just about anything I would need a firearm for.
I'm saving the larger caliber rifle for last because where I hunt a 12 gauge with slugs, especially in a rifled barrel, works great.

Telekinesis
April 13, 2012, 01:42 PM
14 guns as a minimum? :scrutiny:

99% of the problems you could run into in North America could be solved by the liberal application of:

Glock 19
Remington 870
FAL/M1A
And maybe a 10/22

Now I'm all for expanding your collection and getting more guns that you like, but a minimalist collection should be, well... minimalist :D

ExAgoradzo
April 13, 2012, 01:44 PM
HAHA! I guess I can see what you're saying. And I thought I was being very minimalist. I'll have to try again after I get some more input.

But I do think the 45-70 goes in addition to the 12 gauge. I'd rather have it against a bear in my campsite than a 12ga. I'd rather have the extra power in the .457" than the .7?? to go through whatever it has to go through. But I'll grant you that you don't 'need' 2 12ga shotguns...

Also, the 44 mag I was thinking for side arm carry while hunting. I guess I just added the 357 b/c it is my fav pistol round (again, not minimalist!) :)

Last comment: I like the idea of the 308 (don't have one yet...someday). But something like a .338WM or a 375 I think is a must if you are going to be ANYWHERE in NA. A 308 could take care of an angry moose, but I wouldn't TRUST it to bring a brownie down right when I needed it or I was hunting it.

Gunnerboy
April 13, 2012, 02:11 PM
Everyone as a minimum should have 2-4 mosin nagants :neener:

kludge
April 13, 2012, 02:27 PM
.22LR a pistol, a Single Six, and a rifle or two, for starters.
.223 semi-auto, AR-15 for flexibility of uppers.
7.62x39 SKS, truck gun, plinker, etc.
.30 Carbine - cuz there's not a funner gun to shoot.
.260 Rem, 6.5 Creedmoor, or .25 WSSM... picks up where the .223 leaves off for hunting coyotes to pronghorn to whitetail, and maybe a bit more.
7mm WSM if you just have to hunt at longer range
.338-06 picks up where the .260 or 7 Mag leaves off.
.280 Rem or .30-06 for when you can't decide which rifle to take.
.35 Rem (or .338 Marlin Express) a lever gun for everything east of the Mississippi.
.45-70 a lever gun for everything west of the Mississippi
.204 Ruger for a dedicated varmint rifle
.50 muzzleloader to extend your hunting season

A 12 Gauge with some barrels
A 4" .357 Magnum
A 5.5" Ruger Redhawk in .44 Mag or an equivalent .45 Colt

Certaindeaf
April 13, 2012, 02:31 PM
^
That was just uncalled for. lol

ejnogarb
April 13, 2012, 02:33 PM
Your minimalist list has 14 guns on it??? How big is your "regular" collection? What about a 4-gun list: precision rifle, carbine, shotgun, handgun. Is there anything these 4 couldn't reasonably do well? For a minimalist list, you don't need to cover every niche.

tdstout
April 13, 2012, 02:39 PM
Wow, y'all have a different view of "minimal" than I do. This is my minimalist approach, mainly because I'm pretty short on cash.

Springfield 1911 as a bedside gun
Winchester 30-30 as a deer gun
Ithica m66 .410 as a snake killer
NEF 12ga as a general purpose gun
Remington Scoremaster .22 for a fun plinking toy.

This is my minimalist list, mainly because those are all that I can afford right now. I have a couple of more guns than that, but those would cover anything that I need in my neck of the woods.

JShirley
April 13, 2012, 02:42 PM
A good 7mm Remington Magnum or .30-06,
A .357, .40, .45, or 10mm (depending on state)
And a good 12-gauge with two barrels

This will cover all your needs. I'd start with the rifle, myself, but if you can carry, you might want to start with a concealable handgun that can also take deer-sized game with careful shots and correct ammunition.

John

Certaindeaf
April 13, 2012, 02:49 PM
You can always shoot a small thing with something big but the converse is not perhaps advisable.

Cosmoline
April 13, 2012, 03:02 PM
A single shot .45-70 with some threads cut to screw on a shotgun choke will work for pretty much anything.

CaliCoastie
April 13, 2012, 03:03 PM
Wow.... Here's mine
1894m- 22mag
1895- 45-70
Ruger security six-357mag
And a Remington 870-12Ga
And if it was limited on space, the ruger and my model 39a mountie.

mr.scott
April 13, 2012, 03:25 PM
Minimalist for what? Shtf and on your own or just something to cover any situation?
12G shotgun will do it all.

Robert101
April 13, 2012, 03:31 PM
No, no, no, no, no
Minimal list of guns for whatever is as follows:
.308 semi-auto rifle
.22lr semi-auto rifle
45 semi-auto sidearm

That's it. You can substitute a shotgun here and there but come on 4 or 5 calibers of rifles? Actually if you want true minimal then just pick one gun only. Wow, I'm felling so judgemental today............

mdauben
April 13, 2012, 03:38 PM
These are the guns that I think you would need to cover all situations in NAmerica.
Seems like too many guns and too much overlap in your list to me.:

Rifles
.308 bolt (hunting/DMR)
.223 semi (SD/HD/pred control)
.22 bolt/lever/semi (hunting/pest control)

Shotgun
12 ga pump/semi (SD/HD/Hunting)

Handgun
.45 acp (SD/HD)
.22 LR (hunting/pest control)

This is about half the guns in the original post, and I think this is still a fairly generous list that could easily be cut down more.

kludge
April 13, 2012, 03:42 PM
^
That was just uncalled for. lol

OK... how about...

.22LR rifle and pistol plinking, rodents, and small game
.223 AR-15 range time, HD, and varmints
7.62x39 SKS truck gun
7mm-08 coyotes to mule deer, maybe elk
.338-06 mule deer to moose

.357 Mag
.45 Colt

12 GA

Alec
April 13, 2012, 03:49 PM
My idea of minimalism:

.30-06 bolt (large game hunting)
12 ga pump (small game/waterfowl hunting/SD/HD)
.44 Mag revolver (shot shells for pest/.44 special for carry)

waterhouse
April 13, 2012, 03:49 PM
But I do think the 45-70 goes in addition to the 12 gauge. I'd rather have it against a bear in my campsite than a 12ga. I'd rather have the extra power in the .457" than the .7?? to go through whatever it has to go through. But I'll grant you that you don't 'need' 2 12ga shotguns...

I also like the .45-70, but for a truly minimalist list I can't see a need. Minimalism isn't about having the perfect tool for every job, it is about having something that will get the job done. I'd suggest the right 12 gauge slug will get the job done on a bear.

I own about 8 shotguns, because it is sometimes more comfortable to have heavier O/U for lots of clays and lighter ones for chasing quail and a 28 ga. for teaching youths and a semi for ducks etc., but in terms of actual need they could all be replaced by my Benelli with 2 barrels. The Benelli can also shoot slugs, so that replaces what I would use the .45-70 for.

My minimalist list would look a lot like JShirley's except I would add an AR.

Ar-15
bolt gun of sufficient caliber
12 gauge with a long and short barrel
10mm pistol

As mentioned, if forced to get it down to 1, a 12 ga shotgun would do just about everything except conceal well.

zxcvbob
April 13, 2012, 03:49 PM
.22LR rifle
.30 rifle (whatever .30 cartridge floats your boat)
.45 Colt or .357 Magnum revolver. (I like the .45 because it can be loaded with homemade black powder and still be effective)


A shotgun and a semiauto pistol would be nice.

Andrew Wyatt
April 13, 2012, 04:03 PM
You can cover most things with:
1. Remington LTR or other 20" bbl .308 bolt gun (with good glass)
2. 16" AR or mini-14 in .223
3. Pump or auto shotgun in 12 or 20 gauge
4. a glock 19
5. a Kahr PM9
6.Ruger 22/45
7.Ruger 10-22

Jorg Nysgerrig
April 13, 2012, 04:19 PM
Moving this from Rifle Country to GGD as it seems more suited for GGD. Not sure how 14 guns is very minimalist though... :)

ExAgoradzo
April 13, 2012, 04:39 PM
Glad I could make everyone laugh.

Niche rather than minimalist should have been the title.

.338 WM
AR15
22 (target barrell)
1911

praharin
April 13, 2012, 05:44 PM
My "minimalist" assortment is (as of right now):

Glock 19 9mm for self defense
Ruger Frontier 308 for hunting just about anything you can think of in PA and I it's quick enough it could be used in a fight in a pinch.
Winchester 37 12 gauge 28" full choke and 20 gauge 20" cylinder bore (I think those are the right lengths), for general "woods bumming" and hunting things that legally require a shotgun (turkey, game birds and assorted fowl).

I own a few more, but those are the ones I would keep as a minimum until I decide I need something better/different.

While I think a .22 is a great part of a gun safe, I don't consider it a mandatory part once you have a good grasp on the fundamentals and can practice less on those and more on the easy stuff. I may not be explaining that well, but I hope it made the point...

Buck Kramer
April 13, 2012, 06:01 PM
This is not my list, but my idea of a minimalist list.

12 gauge pump
Any high power rifle
And handgun
Any .22

kimbershot
April 13, 2012, 06:05 PM
i have it
--22 lr. ss ruger target
--45 acp --dw valor 1911
contender-w-22lr/threaded for suppressor
-w-45-70 barrel

:neener:

stumpers
April 13, 2012, 06:09 PM
My minimalist list:

Steyr Scout in .308
Glock 19
Springfield M6 .22/.410 combo

Waywatcher
April 13, 2012, 06:16 PM
14 guns as a minimum? :scrutiny:

+1

Due to budgetary constraints, I am at a more realistic minimalist collection; four firearms:
--AR-15 (DPMS Bull 20 with 3-9 Leupold Mark AR Mil-Dot scope, Geissele SSA-E, Harris 6"-9" bipod, BCM Gunfighter CH, B.A.D. Ambi safety selector, ambi Ergo Grip.)
--Glock 23 (Smooth trigger, NY-1 spring, Vickers Tactical slide stop and mag release, Trijicon sights)
--Remington 870 with 26" barrel and laminate wood stock. (Stock)
--Ruger GP100 Phoenix with 4" barrel and Hogue wood grips. (Stock)

I cover all my needs very well with this battery. Glock 23 for CCW, IDPA, etc. AR-15 for target shooting, deer hunting, and everything between. Rem 870 for home defense, trapshooting, bird hunting, and everything in between. The GP100 Phoenix was a gift from the Wife, and it makes an acceptable hunting back-up, camping revolver, and even a CCW during colder weather when its concealable.

I'm still not decided if I want to add a .22 LR to the collection; that would be the next logical choice.

elrowe
April 13, 2012, 06:16 PM
In order:
Rem 870 Express 12 Ga. combo (As far as I know that'll let you legally hunt every single NA game animal except maybe polar bear)
Ruger 10/22 All weather (gotta plink with something)
Bolt action .25 cal (pick your cartridge and brand, too much arguing if I pick Ruger .257 Rbts)
Bolt action .30 cal (same note applies...)

Pistols don't lend themselves to minimalism, gotta have at least fifty...

BlackJackJoe
April 13, 2012, 06:21 PM
.308 Rifle
.45 pistol
.22 rifle
12 ga

That would cover

B!ngo
April 13, 2012, 07:00 PM
One rifle: FNH SCAR 17 in .308. Not a long-range shooter, but a flexible and transportable mid-range. Ambi design;
One carbine: H&K MP5 (semi) in 9mm. Accurate, easy shooting, good to 150 yards. An aging classic but still category favorite;
One full-size handgun: H&K USP9 V2 with match trigger. Reliable, left-hand design. Really should be a Glock 19 but I have an obvious personal bias;
One .22 rifle: The new 10/22 with bull barrel. The plinking price/performance leader;
One .22 handgun: Benelli MP95 Atlanta. When James Bond and Lara Croft face off, this is what they use;
One shotgun: Browning BPS/all-weather finish. 12 gauge, 20" barrel, ambi design.

XxBulletBendeRXx
April 13, 2012, 07:10 PM
A carry pistol in caliper of your flavor. G19
A 22 lr rifle for small game and plinking. Ruger 10-22
And a 12 gauge shotgun, with assortment of shells from slugs to birdshot. Mossy 500.
That should do it....

Mrcymstr
April 13, 2012, 07:12 PM
My "must haves" that im working on:
12 ga pump
Bolt .308 or 30-06
22 rifle (bolt or semi take you preference)
Handgun in 9mm/.45ACP/.357 mag (again pick'em)
Carbine (AR or chambered to match your handgun)
(I would also suggest a 22 handgun relatively similar to your full caliber handgun but not entirely necessary)

huntsman
April 13, 2012, 07:26 PM
I own 10 guns but 4 would suffice

pocket pistol .380acp
sidearm .45acp
shotgun 12 gauge
deer hunting .45/.45acp blackhawk

Rail Driver
April 13, 2012, 07:29 PM
I've got a very minimalist collection... All of my guns do more than one job.

Mosin/Nagant M44
Stevens 311 SxS 12ga
1863 British Caplock Reproduction in 12ga Black Powder Only
AR-15 Spikes Mid-length 14.5"

and a pair of 1911s

*Edit to add: I've also got a pellet gun for pest control

exavid
April 13, 2012, 09:57 PM
My minimal would be:
10/22
AR15 or another centerfire rifle
12ga.
A handgun wouldn't fit my idea of minimal. I tend to like the AR over a larger caliber rifle because of its capacity. Game that's too big for the AR would be handled by the shotgun and slugs. The AR would be better than a hunting rifle in case of a need for defense. The .22 is a great utility firearm for small game, lots of ammo takes up little space.

henrifirstman
April 13, 2012, 10:10 PM
:cool:
Beretta 96 brigadier 40 cal- Sidearm for defense
Mosin Nagant 91/59 carbine- everything else.

That's all I have right now and that's all I need (for now)

hirundo82
April 13, 2012, 10:26 PM
A good 7mm Remington Magnum or .30-06,
A .357, .40, .45, or 10mm (depending on state)
And a good 12-gauge with two barrels

This is pretty close to my minimum gun list, although I'm less specific about it and have one addition:

1) rifle capable of taking deer-sized game
2) handgun in a good self-defense caliber
3) 12 or 20 gauge shotgun
4) .22lr rifle

montanaoffroader
April 13, 2012, 10:47 PM
My minimalist collection:

.30-06 rifle

12 gauge shotgun

.357 Magnum handgun

.22 LR rifle

Onmilo
April 13, 2012, 10:54 PM
Minimalist battery
Shotgun
rifle
pistol or revolver

Calibers and gauges dependent on location

Redlg155
April 13, 2012, 10:58 PM
Minimalist Gun Collection.....Leopard print speedo and a NAA mini revolver.

danez71
April 13, 2012, 11:13 PM
22 rifle
9mm or better pistol
Shotgun

splattergun
April 14, 2012, 01:11 AM
Moss 500 with 26", 18.5" and rifled slug barrels covers most close range needs from dinner to danger. .22 rifle and/or revolver for lunch duty. 30-06 for heavy duty/long range needs like zombie sniping at 500 yds.
SKS or ar15 with 30 rd mags for mass lead in the air fighting and a good, strong 40 cal or better for a kill most anything inside 30 yds last chance side arm.

bannockburn
April 14, 2012, 05:55 AM
To me, minimalist would mean one rifle, one shotgun, and one handgun.

Rifle-AR-15 .223
Shotgun-Mossberg Model 500 12 gauge
Handgun-M1911 .45ACP

Beyond the basics I would add a larger caliber upper and a .22LR conversion for the AR, several different barrel and stock configurations for the Model 500, and a .22LR conversion for the M1911.

303tom
April 14, 2012, 08:50 AM
Minimalist Gun Collection;

What the hell is that ??????????????

Legionnaire
April 14, 2012, 09:04 AM
Scoped .30 caliber bolt action rifle (.308 or .30-06)
12 gauge pump action shotgun (28-inch vent rib and 18-inch slug barrels)
4-inch .357 mag revolver
Your choice of accurate .22LR rifle; my preference would again be a scoped bolt action

Absolute minimum.

content
April 14, 2012, 09:06 AM
Hello friends and neighbors // Even though I made due for a long time with just a Remington 870 Wingmaster, 12ga., multiple barrels and an extension tube.

If possible there would also be a S&W, model 586, 6" or a Dan Wesson ,15-2 with 2 1/2" and 6 or 8 " barrels in .357/.38 .

JShirley
April 14, 2012, 10:47 AM
It is impossible to have an "absolute minimum" battery that includes both a .22LR and a shotgun. Most of the game one could take with a shotgun will be the same as with a .22, plus the shotgun can also take large game.

A powerful rifle that can hit at range and take all N American game, while not being overkill or hard to find ammo for- .30-06 and 7mm Magnum are pretty much it. Lighter, and you can't reasonably take big bears, elk, or moose. Heavier, and you get into overkill for stuff like 90-lb deer, and also you have more gun than many people can handle.

-I also would prefer to use a rifle for defense. With a little practice, a bolt action rifle can be run pretty fast, and good ammunition selection will mean that your rifle is actually safer to use indoors against a threat than almost any handgun.-

Shotgun. 12 gauge is obviously the best choice if you can only have one. This is SD/HD, small game, close large game, and very large close dangerous game.

Handgun for defense against people and other small threats.
---------------------------

It would be possible to go other routes, but this is probably the most reasonable and versatile. Anyone who's included a carbine doesn't really understand what "minimal" means.

Another way to go would be:

.357, 10mm, or .44 handgun
AR15-style carbine with .22 kit

With this, you could take close deer-sized game with the handgun, small game with the .22 bolt in the AR, and use the AR15 for defense. You'd be limited as far as very long shots, and also limited as to the size of the game you could take, but you'd be well set up for close-midrange defense against humans or wild dog-sized predators.

John

Manny
April 14, 2012, 10:58 AM
Minimalist to me means the the least number that will still let me participate in the shooting activities that I find interesting & enjoyable. When I was a poor broke student back many moons ago I had the following:

-Ruger Super Blackhawk .44mag 7.5" for hunting and also home defense w/.44 specials.

- S&W 642 .38+p+ for CCW

- Remington 870 21" Special Field 12ga w/ improved cylinder choke for shotgun duties.

- After awhile I discovered CMP shoots and had use of a club owned M1 Garand.

- Lastly, towards the very end of that period I finally got a .22, an S&W M41 5.5". A long time coming, but it was the first really higher end gun I ever got & reflected the fact that I'd finally finished school and was making a decent wage.

Those guns served my needs & interests, which were primarily hunting & personal/home defense and some target shooting for the best part of a decade. All eventually were sold or traded off for various reasons, some good, some dumb, as my interests expanded or changed and I had a few bucks to indulge in exploring different guns.

If I were to assemble my minimalist battery today my needs & interests have changed and expanded somewhat, so the guns are a bit diferent:

- Glock 17L 9mm, target shooting & home defense are now my primary interests, haven't hunted in years.

- Ruger SP101 .357 for CCW, not as nice to carry as the 642 but shoots MUCH better. This will likely change to an LCR to have the best of both worlds.

- FN SLP 18.5" 12ga w/ ghost ring sights & screw in chokes. A more capable & efficient defensive piece. It can also serve for hunting should I want, though it's not so great for wingshooting.

- Rock River national match flattop AR in 5.56 with a Trijicon 3x9 in a QD mount. Can still do CMP shoots and other target, plus varminting too. Shoots better than any Garand I ever tried and I find it to be a far more useful & versitle rifle.

- Ruger 10/22 Charger w/ Eotech, .22lr. With the M41 gone, this is my .22 of choice these days. The Eotech is far easier to sight with than irons nowadays and I've done pretty good work with with the little Ruger out to 100 yards.

- And an addition, Browning Cynergy O/U 12ga. I've become more interested in the shotgun sports and find it serves my needs well.

From 5 guns to 6 these days, but all needs covered and still able to participate in the shooting activities I enjoy the most.

JShirley
April 14, 2012, 11:19 AM
You're finding that Accupoint to work well for you? I find mine useful for snap shots, but less good for precision.

Legionnaire
April 14, 2012, 11:26 AM
It is impossible to have an "absolute minimum" battery that includes both a .22LR and a shotgun.

I see your point, and I won't argue it strongly. I suppose I could delete the .22--as long as I can reload to create some plinking loads for the rifle and handgun using a powder like Trail Boss. But I don't view the .22 as optional because of its economy and utility. I rarely (but sometimes) hunt with a .22; rather, it is for inexpensive target shooting, introducing new shooters to the shooting sports, and other pedestrian activities for which the other three (.30 caliber rifle, 12 gauge, and .357 revolver) are overkill. Yes, it's in there primarily for "fun," but I consider "fun" part of the equation.

Edit: The .22LR can also be more effectively suppressed than the other three, which adds to its utility.

Redneck with a 40
April 14, 2012, 11:30 AM
.308
.223
9mm
.357
12 gauge
10/22
22 magnum

That would pretty much cover it for me.

David E
April 14, 2012, 11:31 AM
12G shotgun will do it all.

Except conceal, reload quickly or be effectively operated one handed. Not to mention that the bulky ammo adds weight fast, 10# per 100 rds, if you have to carry it.

wickedsprint
April 14, 2012, 11:33 AM
Minimalist for me would be a levergun in 45/70 and a .22 bolt gun.

No magazines to worry about and broad use spectrum.

outboard
April 14, 2012, 11:41 AM
I'll hop on the short list wagon...
30-06 bolt action: big game
.22 LR (rifle): target practice/small game
12 gauge semi-auto:upland game, waterfowl, bear/home defense, backup big game
.44 Mag wheel gun: personal defense against anything in N.A.
Ought to cover it for a minimalist...

Waywatcher
April 14, 2012, 11:49 AM
Thinking of some general guidelines, I came up with this:

Handgun-A handgun in one of the following common, affordable calibers: 9mm, .40, .45, or .357 Magnum. (Current or former military or police calibers.) Gun should be big enough to permit holding with all digits, yet small enough to conceal. (No subcompacts or 8" barrel revolvers.)

Rifle-A rifle in one of the following common, affordable calibers: .223, .308, or .30-06. (Current or former military or police calibers.) It really should be scoped, unless one has magnificent eyesight. Must be capable of good accuracy. (At least 2 MOA from a bench, generally.) Some locales might not permit the use of .223 for deer hunting, so it is a less than ideal choice there. (It is legal for deer where I live, and there are no moose, elk, grizzly bears, etc here.)

Shotgun-12 gauge is the obvious choice in a shotgun. To be versatile, it ought to have traditional stock and be capable of running anything from target loads to buckshot loads to slugs. (To be affordable, this generally means a pump.)

UnclesNucleus
April 14, 2012, 12:13 PM
M9, 30-30, Mav88

wickedsprint
April 14, 2012, 12:16 PM
I personally left out a handgun. A handy carbine can cover self defense/hunting fine and a 22 rifle for efficient small game hunting.

tubeshooter
April 14, 2012, 12:34 PM
centerfire handgun
centerfire rifle
12 gauge shotgun
.22 (rifle or handgun)



I could get by with this. Some others may even feel they can do without one of the above. I probably would pick a rifle for the .22, but I have always liked rifles better anyway and that's just me.

woof
April 14, 2012, 12:44 PM
Minimal:

2 .22LR (redundancy for this essential)
.308

Here's another scenario:

You're allowed 500 rounds of ammo. Pick your own length of time that has to last for. You can have as many guns as you want, you don't have to own them now just pick them. But only 500 rounds. How do you allocate the ammo by type and what guns do you select?

Shoobee
April 14, 2012, 01:09 PM
Jorg -- Moving this from Rifle Country to GGD as it seems more suited for GGD. Not sure how 14 guns is very minimalist though...

Excellent point.

In most households, one single gun is their minimalist. For women, I have seen .38 specials and .380s. For men, I have seen .357s and 9mms. And for some of both I have seen .22LR revolvers.

My own minimalist would be a 45ACP together with several loaded magazines and extra boxes of ammo.

Sometimes others will ask me how many guns I have, and when I say 4, they say "wow that's a lot." So everything is relative. One scoped hunting rifle, one shotgun, one revolver, and one ACP is not a a lot.

Elkins45
April 14, 2012, 01:53 PM
I think you can cover all reasonable needs with four guns:

a centerfire rifle for big game
a rimfire rifle for small game, practice and instruction
a shotgun for home defense and wingshooting
a J frame S&W revolver for CCW and defensive use

If I had to I could eliminate the shotgun, but as a primary home defense weapon it's hard to beat.

rwilson37643
April 14, 2012, 02:55 PM
1.pocket pistol or revolver (S&W 442)
2.full size pistol or revolver (Kimber Super Match 2)
3. .22 target pistol (Kimber Rimfire Super)
4.big game rifle (Kimber 84L .30-06)
5..22 rifle (Ruger 77 .22)
6.battle rifle (Les Baer Super Match)
7.shotgun w/ 4 barrels (Mossberg 930, Turkey,field,slug,defense barrels)
This is as minimal as I can get and still be able to do everything I want to do with firearms.

show_me_2nd
April 14, 2012, 02:55 PM
Y'all got me thinking about covering all situations in N. America, assuming some situations may be less than optimal. More of a wish list.

Marlin 1894CSS .357
Ruger Sp101 3" .357

Henry Survival AR-7 .22LR (or Ruger 10/22 Takedown)
Ruger Single-Ten .22lr

Ruger M77 Hawkeye Laminate Compact .308

Rem 870 Special Purpose Marine Magnum

Manny
April 14, 2012, 04:03 PM
You're finding that Accupoint to work well for you? I find mine useful for snap shots, but less good for precision.
I have the amber mildot version, not the triangle and like it very much. It is by far the nicest scope I've ever used.

JShirley
April 14, 2012, 04:13 PM
Ah. That explains it- I have low-power triangle.

DFWB
April 14, 2012, 04:14 PM
Remington 870 with short and long barrel
Semi-Auto Pistol (I'll take a Glock 22)
.357 Mag Revolver
Remington 597 (or 10/22, if that's your preference)
Marlin 336 30-30
Remington 700 in 30-06

Find me a job that needs doing that you can't do with those. I know someone will say you need a "battle riffle". I respectfully disagree. You WANT a battle riffle. Except for a very very few people, if there is a situation in which you need 30+ rifle rounds.... you should run. Save the money on the tacticool stuff and buy backups for the weapons that you actually need. Redundancy, at least when it comes to tools, isn't a bad thing. I heard this somewhere and really like it: 'One is none. Two is one'.

DFWB
April 14, 2012, 04:25 PM
Woof. That's easy. It would suck, but the decision isn't all that difficult.

2 guns: Remington 870 (Food/Primary defensive gun) and Autoloading pistol (to get me to the shotgun)

50 rounds for the pistol, 450 for the shotgun (100 00 buck for defense and 350 assorted as is best for the game that lives around were you live). I'll sacrifice the rifle, if I run into a sniper in NC, so be it.

mavracer
April 14, 2012, 05:02 PM
IMHO 14 isn't near enough. Sure if SD is all your worried about 2 or 3 might get you by and maybe another 2 or 3 to cover hunting. But my situations has me shooting many different shooting disciplines of competetion.
CAS/SASS
main match battery takes 4 guns
2 SA and a lever in the same caliber and a shotgun.
side matches add another 3
a derringer, a pocket pistol and a long range rifle.
USPSA and 3 gun take at least 3 pistol rifle and shotgun.
IDPA has 5 classes
You could have a 357 cut for moon clips and shoot both ssr and esr and use a CZ 9mm for both ssp and esp and a 1911 45 is required for CDP.
then there's all the bullseye competitions that are fun too
need a big bore service pistol and a 22
a 22 rifle, a service rifle and got to have a Garand for the Garand match
so let's see
2 Uberti SAAs in 38/40
uberti 1873 win copy also in 38/40
1887 Colt copy 12 guage coach gun
american derringer in 357
Iver Johnson owl head 38 top break
Armi Sport Sharps rifle in 45/70
Para P14
Smith M&P15 16" AR
Mossberg 930 12 guage
S&W 686 SSR
CZ 85 Combat
Les Baer Concept III
Sig Trailside
Colt Gold Cup
Colt AR with white oak service match upper
Mossberg 44US (d)
and a M1 Garand
I just need a pocket pistol for CCW and I'd have the minimum battery for what I want to do
Hey I kept it under 20

TNboy
April 14, 2012, 06:01 PM
I'm all for having bunches of guns but if I had to trim down to the bare necesities I think I could get by with....
- 870 Express 12 gauge because this gun literally fills nearly every roll a long gun could fill.
- Full sized Glock in .357 Sig. I know, sounds odd, but it's concealable, high capacity and could adequately take deer sized game.
- Your favorite .22 rifle, because everyone needs one.

Again this would be a bare minimalist list. I have no desire to only have 3 guns.

History.Doc
April 14, 2012, 06:12 PM
My minimalist collection:

.30-06 rifle

12 gauge shotgun

.357 Magnum handgun

.22 LR rifle

I agree with this list.

GCBurner
April 14, 2012, 06:37 PM
I love having bunches of guns for every occasion, but I could get by 99.9% of the time with an accurate and reliable .22LR rifle, an accurate centerfire rifle, and a 12 or 20 gauge pump shotgun. Handguns are optional, but a solid .357 Magnum revolver would be my choice for a good all-around choice.

redneck2
April 14, 2012, 06:50 PM
Uhh...very few here seem to have any idea of minimal really is.

During the Great Depression, my grandpa had a double barrel 12 gauge and a .22. They used to buy shells one at a time. If one of my uncles took a gun out hunting, they'd better come back with something. Period.

If they saw a deer, they're cut around the hull of the paper shot shell and use it like a slug.

They fed a family of seven that way for years. I inherited the shotgun. It was used so much it was shot loose. I'd never shoot it in current condition.

Axel Larson
April 14, 2012, 06:53 PM
Compound or crossbow.
30,06 for me m1 garand
20 gauge single shot.
223 bolt, that would cover all the bases for me in regards to hunting.
I left out handguns because the question was about hunting. Also I do realize that I did not list all firearms but a bow fills many nice roles.

TJ AK-74
April 14, 2012, 07:15 PM
- Axel:I left out handguns because the question was about hunting.
- OP:These are the guns that I think you would need to cover all situations in NAmerica.

Since the OP says "ALL" situations, and then includes SHTF in his choices, I'm assuming that it isn't just about hunting...
My "minimalist" collection would be:

1. Center-fire Defensive Handgun
2. 12 gauge shotgun (single, double, pump, or semi)
3. Long-range center-fire rifle
4. .22LR**
5. Semi-auto Defensive Rifle*

* an AR-10 could cover roles of #3 and #5
**.22LR conversion kit for say a Glock or AR would cover this.

Tipro
April 14, 2012, 08:17 PM
I've really enjoyed this thread, and it's sort of making me rethink what my next gun purchase might be.

I think my ultimate minimalist collection might be a snub nose 38 and a marlin 1894 357. Carry gun, plus rifle capable of taking most anything out east. can load the 38 in the rifle too for accurate varmint hunting, taking out the need for a 22.

this coming from a guy who only owns a 10 22 and p 11.

Axel Larson
April 14, 2012, 08:27 PM
@ TJ sorry about that you are right it was for all situations, in that case I would add a pf9 or other compact 9mm.

kimberkid
April 14, 2012, 08:30 PM
OK just musing:

These are the guns that I think you would need to cover all situations in NAmerica.
Compared to your 14 ... I guess my favorite 10 could be considered spartan

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v40/kimberkid/Toys/my_spartan10.jpg

DzlDust
April 14, 2012, 09:40 PM
Keltec Sub 2000 that takes Glock 9mm mags
Glock 17 9mm
Lots of 33 round mags
minimal enough?

ACP
April 14, 2012, 09:51 PM
.22LR handgun and rifle

4" .357 Magnum revolver

12-gauge shotgun

centerfire rifle in .30 caliber

rwilson37643
April 14, 2012, 10:04 PM
I must have missed the boat on this one. I thought the OP was asking not about what would be minimal to survive, but about what would be minimal to be happily able to do everything you want to do with a firearm currently. including shooting sports, hunting, Personal and home defense, emergency preparedness, recreation, ect.

CONNEX 3300
April 14, 2012, 10:16 PM
If you wanted a primarily defense oriented set for N. America, and truly BARE MINIMUM, I'd say these two would cover just about everything.

Ruger Alaskan .454 with 2.5" barrel.
Winchester model 70 7mm Mag. w/ 26" barrel

Those two will stop grizzlies, serve for concealed carry and self defense, drop deer, elk, antelope and anything else a long ways off.

If you wanted to expand slightly you could include a Remington 870 in 12guage, and of course a Ruger 10/22

bbuddtec
April 14, 2012, 10:33 PM
14 guns as a minimum?

99% of the problems you could run into in North America could be solved by the liberal application of:

Glock 19
Remington 870
FAL/M1A
And maybe a 10/22

Now I'm all for expanding your collection and getting more guns that you like, but a minimalist collection should be, well... minimalist

...what Tele said, as well as Cosmoline... I skipped the rest, the armory bragging and name dropping is a bit much anymore. "Minimalist" is definitely lost on some. Think what you can carry if you have to scram, bug out if u will, and not in your mobile home, on foot, or one trip to your vehicle... ok loadout on a motorcycle is relevant :D

go ahead an burn me, but be "minimalist" heheheh :D

wickedsprint
April 14, 2012, 11:00 PM
I think anything more than 2 weapons no longed qualifies as minimalist.

JShirley
April 15, 2012, 01:58 AM
A sturdy bolt-action sporter- I prefer milsurps in .30-06- will be the best "kill anything big" choice.

Some powerful but concealable handgun- a Ruger Alaskan is just a laughable choice, unless you're so large that you don't really need a weapon to take on bear. A 10mm or 3-4" .357 is probably about ideal...

This is about the lightest you can go. If you had a .357, you could use lead round-nose .38s to harvest small game like rabbits and squirrels.

Adding a shotgun gives more versatility, though a lot of what the shotgun gives is less survival and more sport.

Adding a rimfire gives more versatility. There is little you couldn't do pretty well, shooting-wise, in N America with a good bolt-action .30 rifle, a quality 3-4" .357 handgun, a shotgun with slug and longer small game barrel, and a good .22.

Sure, if you're less about survival, and want to optimize, you could, for instance, add a good autoloader for daily carry. If you have the leisure of gun sports, you could add a lighter rifle for varminting, etc...but folks who seem to think you "need" over 10 firearms at the least are living in a different universe.

Sure, I have more, but I understand that need has nothing to do with it. :D

19-3Ben
April 15, 2012, 01:39 PM
I have to say, if I had to go very minimalist, I could probably get away with the following:

Ruger SP101 .357 3"
Rossi M92/Marlin 1894c .357
Ruger 10/22

Seriously. That's it.

CCW- The SP101
HD- Both the SP101 and the levergun
Hunting anything up to and including medium sized game- levergun
SHTF- Levergun and 10/22
Plinking and small game hunting- 10/22

It is also minimalist in terms of calibers. Many on this thread have given answers that pare you down to 3-4 guns but require you to stock 3-4 calibers.

In my ultra-minimalist collection, I've got three guns, and only 2 calibers. I'm banking on the super versatility of the .357mag to take the place of handgun, and light caliber rifle rounds. Incidentally, both calibers are also readily available, and also very light. I can carry more .357mag than I can 7.62x39, and get just about the same power level.

As a super double-plus bonus (but one that is, admittedly, mostly irrelevant), if I had to use either gun in an SD shooting, none of my choices look particularly scary/tactical, etc...

The only thing my collection won't do is kill big game. If push came to shove, I can live with that.

Edit to add:
If it came down to it, and I felt very minimalist, I'd also be running around in one of my pairs of Vibram Five FIngers! Even my shoes would have to be minimalist!:neener:

tubeshooter
April 15, 2012, 01:45 PM
^ Well... you get to shoot .38 special out of your .357 guns, so that's really 3 calibers! :neener:

But point well-taken.


I have the first two on your list, and I would just replace your 10-22 with my 39A and I suspect I'd be as happy as you would. I'd kinda miss the shotgun, but I guess if we're going truly ultra-minimalist that is what I would cut. Good list.

B!ngo
April 15, 2012, 08:19 PM
I'm 5'10" 155 lbs and in pretty good shape. But I honestly think that I'd rather get eaten by the bear than have to shoot that 2.5" .454. Yowza.
That one is on my short list of guns that I'd prefer not to shoot.
B

If you wanted a primarily defense oriented set for N. America, and truly BARE MINIMUM, I'd say these two would cover just about everything.

Ruger Alaskan .454 with 2.5" barrel.
Winchester model 70 7mm Mag. w/ 26" barrel

Those two will stop grizzlies, serve for concealed carry and self defense, drop deer, elk, antelope and anything else a long ways off.

If you wanted to expand slightly you could include a Remington 870 in 12guage, and of course a Ruger 10/22

dom1104
April 15, 2012, 09:16 PM
My collection is minimalist.

Rifles = 5.56 and 22lr all AR15s
Pistols = 9mm for sport and 45 for carry, all 1911s
Shotgun = 870 Wingmaster
Done.

fattycakes
April 15, 2012, 09:59 PM
YAY< my first post. THis is my minimum. What I currently own.

22lr (2 rifles)
9mm (1 handgun)
.357 (1 handgun)
5.56 (1 AR 20" cause they rock)
7.62 (1 Rem 700)

and mostly I use the .22's

pa350z
April 15, 2012, 10:15 PM
Here is my minimal list:

Remington 870 - multiple uses, hunting (small game and large) and SD;
Colt Trooper MKIII .357 - multiple uses, hunting and large game, SD:
S&W5906 - 9mm - SD and Mil spec handgun caliber;
S&W M&P 15 - .223/5.56mm (EOTECH and Magnifier) - SD and Hunting - Mil spec long rifle caliber.

IMHO, I can take care of just about any business with the above assortment. Hunting/SD and mil consistency in case of a SHTF situation.

BemidjiDweller
April 15, 2012, 10:34 PM
Rifle: Mosin Nagant
Shotgun: Stoeger Coachgun
Handgun: Ruger P95
CCW: Ruger LCP

This list could even lose the LCP to be truly minimalist.

Edit: You can throw a Cricket in there too if ya like.

Steve CT
April 15, 2012, 10:43 PM
Minimalist?
AR in .223
4" .357 Magnum
.22 lr autoloader
12 ga shotgun

If I can't do whatever I have to do with these four, I guess I'm screwed

HammerheadSSN663
April 16, 2012, 06:54 PM
Ruger 10/22

SabbathWolf
April 16, 2012, 07:06 PM
I just want a phased plasma rifle in the 40 watt range....

bushmaster1313
April 16, 2012, 07:11 PM
ExAgoradzo



14 guns and no trapgun?

Methinks you have been buying too many slaves and it has adled your brain.

1894
April 16, 2012, 09:25 PM
Minimalist: 4" .357 - I'll take a GP, but you pick for yourself.

Smith357
April 17, 2012, 10:16 AM
Two guns is all that's needed for a true minimalist.

1. A .30 caliber bolt action rifle in either .308 or .30-06. Get a press and learn how to reload for it. Learn how to shoot it at 800+ meters. You will be able use reduced loads for small game and full power loads for large game.

2. A 4" .357 combat magnum, learn how to reload for it as well, you can use it for
anything that happens to get in too close for your bolt action rifle.

Batta
April 17, 2012, 10:33 AM
Personally I could live with simply an 870 Remington 12 ga. This can handle anything from a rabbit to a bear. And be effective for personal protection. Keep in mind that the only situation I could ever see myself with a minimum collection situation would be if I had to bug out. That would be the gun I would take with as much ammo as I could carry.

tech30528
April 17, 2012, 10:38 AM
Where I live a 100 yard sight line is rare unless you are standing in the road, which is tactically retarded. I'm a big fan of shared calibers, so for me:

10 22 (22LR)
Walther P22 (22LR)
Glock 9mm
Sub2000 9mm glock mag
12 gauge shotty
Yeah, think I'll keep the Mosins too.

David E
April 17, 2012, 10:59 AM
Two guns is all that's needed for a true minimalist.

1. A .30 caliber bolt action rifle in either .308 or .30-06. Get a press and learn how to reload for it. Learn how to shoot it at 800+ meters. You will be able use reduced loads for small game and full power loads for large game.

Have you done this? What was your best group? How much practice did it take to achieve that group? What reduced loads have you found that work best? Recipes for same would be appreciated. How different is the POA/POI from the regular loads?

Thanks!

David E
April 17, 2012, 11:05 AM
Personally I could live with simply an 870 Remington 12 ga. This can handle anything from a rabbit to a bear. And be effective for personal protection. Keep in mind that the only situation I could ever see myself with a minimum collection situation would be if I had to bug out. That would be the gun I would take with as much ammo as I could carry.

Nothing beats a shotgun for versatility, provided one has an array of different loads for it. (various birdshot loads, various buckshot loads and various slugs)

At 10+ pounds per 100 rds, things get heavy fast, so I'm curious how much of what type of ammo would you carry?

pockets
April 17, 2012, 12:41 PM
A true 'Minimalist Gun Collection' would be an empty gun rack....perhaps painted gloss white to match the wall.

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CONNEX 3300
April 17, 2012, 02:20 PM
I'm 5'10" 155 lbs and in pretty good shape. But I honestly think that I'd rather get eaten by the bear than have to shoot that 2.5" .454. Yowza.
That one is on my short list of guns that I'd prefer not to shoot.
B
I am roughly your size, and I know that guns like that seem like they would be brutal. But I have shot a 2.5" smith and wesson 500 revolver with no porting. It was surprisingly managable.
These guns might not be the most fun, but they would cover 90% of the situations that can occur in N. America

Doug S
April 17, 2012, 03:51 PM
Minimalist gun collection to cover all the bases, IMO...

1 hunting rifle
1 "multi-purpose" shotgun
1 self-defense handgun
1 22 plinker/trail gun

smokey30725
April 17, 2012, 04:14 PM
I could probably make do with a 12 ga / 223 combo gun from savage with barrel inserts for 20 ga and 410 if desired, a good quality 22 rifle such as a Ruger 10/22 and a Ruger Blackhawk in 357 with the convertible 9mm cylinder. That way I could stock the minimum number of necessary calibers, yet retain the ability to shoot others should the need arise.

BlackJackJoe
April 17, 2012, 11:28 PM
I'm thinking a 155mm crew-served field piece that shoots minute of acre at 15 miles.

doc2rn
April 18, 2012, 01:17 AM
Rifles:
A Rimfire like the Ruger 77/22 Mk II all weather target in .22 WMR
A lever or EBR like the Winchester 30-30
and a do it all 30-06 or .308 of your preference mine is a Weatherby 30-06

Shotgun:
12 or 20 guage your pic I like the SxS Rugers in 20g

Pistol:
.22lr Rimfire for training Like the Ruger Mk's or Browning Buckmarks
Centerfire Revolver Pick your S&W or Colt
Centerfire Semi-Auto Like the FNP-9, 1911, or Glock

I could do just about anything I want with these (7) tools. Just glad I dont!

Manny
April 18, 2012, 03:43 AM
I have a .454 Ruger Alaskan and it's a blast to shoot as long as hou don't get stupid about what ammo you shoot. The full house/full pressure aren't needed for most puposes and the various .45 colt loadings and Winchesters attenuated 250gr load @ about 1300 fps work excellent without being obnoxious.

Sorry, this was a response to the gent who doesn't want to fire a .454 and somehow the his quote is missing.

Smith357
April 18, 2012, 09:46 AM
Have you done this? No I own more than one rifle, but my M70 is the one set aside for... whatever... :)

What was your best group? My best groupings at 800 were under 6 inches but those were just luck, my average from a concrete bench is around 10-12 inches from a .30-06 M70 sporter with 165 grain Vmax bullets.

How much practice did it take to achieve that group? I started in the US Marine Corps some 30 years ago and I'm still trying to get it.

What reduced loads have you found that work best? Recipes for same would be appreciated. I use 13 grains of Red Dot under a 150 grain gas checked cast bullet. I've also tried BP loads and 90 grain Carbine bullets.

How different is the POA/POI from the regular loads? I would have to check my log book for the actual numbers but I keep the rifle set with a 250 yard point blank range, I think I turn the scope down to 4 power and use the 2nd or 3rd mil-dot for 100 yards with my reduced loads. It's written on the inside of the scope cap too.

David E
April 18, 2012, 12:15 PM
My best groupings at 800 were under 6 inches but those were just luck, my average from a concrete bench is around 10-12 inches from a .30-06 M70 sporter with 165 grain Vmax bullets.

(For reduced loads) I use 13 grains of Red Dot under a 150 grain gas checked cast bullet.

I turn the scope down to 4 power and use the 2nd or 3rd mil-dot for 100 yards with my reduced loads. It's written on the inside of the scope cap too.

That's useful information, thanks!

P.B.Walsh
April 18, 2012, 05:22 PM
.308 Bolt Rifle (Winchester 70)
.357 Magnum Revolver (S&W 686)
.22 Rifle (Custom Single Shot)
12 ga. Pump Shotgun (Beneli Supernova)

That is all you "need".

GlockFan
April 18, 2012, 05:59 PM
To me minimalist is more like 5 guns....

a .22 rifle
a .22 handgun
a centerfire rifle
a 12 gauge shotgun with swappable barrels for defense and hunting
a centerfire handgun like a glock 19 or smith/ruger 357 magnum

David E
April 19, 2012, 12:25 PM
.308 Bolt Rifle (Winchester 70)
.357 Magnum Revolver (S&W 686)
.22 Rifle (Custom Single Shot)
12 ga. Pump Shotgun (Beneli Supernova)

That is all _I_ "need".

Fixed it for you.

wickedsprint
April 19, 2012, 02:39 PM
.308 Bolt Rifle (Winchester 70)
.357 Magnum Revolver (S&W 686)
.22 Rifle (Custom Single Shot)
12 ga. Pump Shotgun (Beneli Supernova)

That is all you "need".

If we use the word "need" we should not be discussing a quantity greater than "1".

Most of the people here are confusing "need" with "want".

David E
April 20, 2012, 04:16 PM
If we use the word "need" we should not be discussing a quantity greater than "1".

Most of the people here are confusing "need" with "want".

Totally and completely disagree.

Let's substitute the word "tool" for "gun."

"How many tools do I need?"

"You just need one; a claw hammer. Anything you need to fix can be done with that."

"But how would I turn screws, tighten nuts or cut wood with just a hammer?"

"Look, I'm not going to help you pick a hammer if you refuse to pay attention....."

huntsman
April 20, 2012, 09:06 PM
I'd need a sledge also.

wickedsprint
April 20, 2012, 10:24 PM
Totally and completely disagree.

Let's substitute the word "tool" for "gun."

"How many tools do I need?"

"You just need one; a claw hammer. Anything you need to fix can be done with that."

"But how would I turn screws, tighten nuts or cut wood with just a hammer?"

"Look, I'm not going to help you pick a hammer if you refuse to pay attention....."

That argument almost works...except machines have gotten more complicated (requiring more elaborate tools). Dinner and intruders have not changed much.

This is a fun topic.

David E
April 21, 2012, 10:00 AM
Dinner and intruders have not changed much.

Oh, ok.

Then your obvious choice is a Ruger 10-22. It can handle everything from field mice to mountain goat to grizzly (shot placement!) to handling groups of armed marauders. Hmmm, can't carry it concealed, tho.....

Or is it a shotgun? loaded with the perfect shell for each application, of course.......except you can't conceal it. Snap! Wait, no problem, get the tax stamp for a super short shotgun! Oh, wait, now it's not a good duck or goose gun....

Actually, my tool analogy was perfect. Why? Because a gun, in truth, is also a tool. Like they said in Shop class, and it still holds true: "use the right tool for the job."

How many guns you "need" depends on how many different jobs you want to do.

gym
April 21, 2012, 10:38 AM
My list is 2 nine mil's
1-45
1-40
1-AR
They can all be moved at once if need be. And ammo should be available for at least 1, I may include that new fold up 22 ruger rifle.

wickedsprint
April 21, 2012, 02:16 PM
Oh, ok.

Then your obvious choice is a Ruger 10-22. It can handle everything from field mice to mountain goat to grizzly (shot placement!) to handling groups of armed marauders. Hmmm, can't carry it concealed, tho.....

Or is it a shotgun? loaded with the perfect shell for each application, of course.......except you can't conceal it. Snap! Wait, no problem, get the tax stamp for a super short shotgun! Oh, wait, now it's not a good duck or goose gun....

Actually, my tool analogy was perfect. Why? Because a gun, in truth, is also a tool. Like they said in Shop class, and it still holds true: "use the right tool for the job."

How many guns you "need" depends on how many different jobs you want to do.

It actually depends on how many jobs you "need" to do:)

Contrary to popular belief, we don't need to CCW...we choose to.

22-rimfire
April 21, 2012, 02:46 PM
My minimalist list of guns/calibers would include: (1) Something for home defense, probably a 38spl revolver or 9mm/40 s&w pistol. (2) 22 rifle of your choice. (3) Shotgun of your choice.

If you are a hunter, it is a longer list: HD firearm, 22 rifle, shotgun, 270 > 30-06 caliber rifle. You could drop the HD firearm entirely and use one of the others for that purpose.

I grew up in a minimalist hunting family and you don't "need" 15 guns to provide a sufficient variety to handle most chores quite effectively.

David E
April 21, 2012, 04:35 PM
Contrary to popular belief, we don't need to CCW...we choose to.

Whose belief? Obamas? Hillary? Chuck U. Schumer?

Yeah, I disagree with them, too.

You've put yourself on a very slippery slope. Who, exactly, gets to define "need?"

"I need a gun to hunt," you say.

"You don't 'need' to hunt, go to the grocery store instead," they reply.

"I need a gun for home defense," you cry.

"No, you don't, buy good locks, an alarm system and call 911," they smugly respond.

"But I like to shoot for recreation," you whine.

"Take up golf. See? You really don't 'need' any guns, do you!"

If YOU just have one job you need a gun to handle, that's fine, but don't apply your self-restrictive "needs" to others.

SabbathWolf
April 21, 2012, 05:49 PM
I try to pick from different catagories.
My idea of "minimalist" is not to have 3 or 4 guns that are basically the same thing.

I also try to cover my bases as far as having something for Close Range, Medium Range and Long(er) Range.


I have:

1) Revolver
1) Semi-Auto Pistol
1) Pistol Caliber Carbine
1) Semi-Auto Rifle/Carbine
1) Bolt Rifle with Scope

Calibers include 9mm, 38spl, 357 magnum, 45acp, 7.62x39 and 308.

I'd like to include 22lr and 12ga some day, but that's about it.

wickedsprint
April 21, 2012, 10:08 PM
Whose belief? Obamas? Hillary? Chuck U. Schumer?

Yeah, I disagree with them, too.

You've put yourself on a very slippery slope. Who, exactly, gets to define "need?"

"I need a gun to hunt," you say.

"You don't 'need' to hunt, go to the grocery store instead," they reply.

"I need a gun for home defense," you cry.

"No, you don't, buy good locks, an alarm system and call 911," they smugly respond.

"But I like to shoot for recreation," you whine.

"Take up golf. See? You really don't 'need' any guns, do you!"

If YOU just have one job you need a gun to handle, that's fine, but don't apply your self-restrictive "needs" to others.

First off, I'm not saying you should only have one gun. I'm not advocating any restrictions on your liberties. Our only disagreement is over a definition of a word, not an ideal gun collection.

Need should be defined by the user...but you're still using need and want interchangeably. There's absolutely nothing wrong with wanting more than 1 gun...I own more than 1...but I don't actually "need" any of them.

The spirit of the topic is "minimalist"...which means to me the absolute minimal amount of guns to accomplish "actual needs".

There's a funny quote that comes back to your tool analogy. "when the only tool you have is a hammer, it's funny how all problems start to look like a nail".



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David E
April 21, 2012, 10:56 PM
I own more than 1...but I don't actually "need" any of them.

Odd.

Most of the rest of us DO need them.

Your "needs" or "wants" have nothing to do with anyone besides yourself. Stop thinking otherwise.

wickedsprint
April 21, 2012, 11:42 PM
Odd.

Most of the rest of us DO need them.

Your "needs" or "wants" have nothing to do with anyone besides yourself. Stop thinking otherwise.

If your needs or desires can be solved with another tool other than a firearm, you don't "need" a firearm..you WANT a firearm. (which is perfectly fine and our right under 2A)

Generally when you truly NEED something, there is no other option. For hunting and self defense there are a plethora of readily available options available that have satisfied man's NEEDS for literally thousands of years.

If guns cost $30k, would you still have 5?

I bet if new cars were only $500, we'd be arguing we "need" at least 5 automobiles...

SabbathWolf
April 21, 2012, 11:56 PM
If I had 5 automobiles....I would "need" cheaper insurance rates for sure....
:D

David E
April 22, 2012, 02:33 AM
If your needs or desires can be solved with another tool other than a firearm, you don't "need" a firearm..you WANT a firearm. (which is perfectly fine and our right under 2A).

My needs require multiple firearms. Substitutes like 911, grocery stores, golf, etc, won't cut it.

Your argument seems to focus on "need vs want.". It ignores that whole "freedom" thing.

You don't need a car. Buy a bike, use public transportation or walk. Same "logic.". :rolleyes:

Enough derailment.

To properly address a minimal selection of guns, one needs to first identify his needs. (there's that word again!)

Some don't "need" any, preferring instead to rely on others to provide for their needs. (protection, food, etc)

Others "need" at least ten.

wickedsprint
April 22, 2012, 08:24 AM
My needs require multiple firearms. Substitutes like 911, grocery stores, golf, etc, won't cut it.

Your argument seems to focus on "need vs want.". It ignores that whole "freedom" thing.

You don't need a car. Buy a bike, use public transportation or walk. Same "logic.". :rolleyes:

Enough derailment.

To properly address a minimal selection of guns, one needs to first identify his needs. (there's that word again!)

Some don't "need" any, preferring instead to rely on others to provide for their needs. (protection, food, etc)

Others "need" at least ten.


I see our disconnect.

I'm looking at minimalist from a bare bones survival point of view. That's what I think when I hear that word.

You're coming at it from a quality of life point of view...as I suspect most of the other posters are.

No biggie.

David E
April 22, 2012, 12:39 PM
I see our disconnect.

I don't think so.

I'm looking at minimalist from a bare bones survival point of view.

That's not what was said in the OP. it said "to cover all situations in N America." Nothing mentioned at all about a "bare bones survival point of view."

When you say "one gun is all you need," and "no one needs to CCW, we choose to," THAT is where our disconnect is.

GunsAreEssential1975
April 22, 2012, 01:07 PM
I wasnt gonna chime in, but I'm bored and all my kid wants to do is watch tv. So here's my minimalist list.
1) single shot 12 ga. For hunting
2) savage bolt action chambered in 30-06 for long range hunting/defense
3) High capacity handgun, in my case a glock 22 for defense
4) .22 pistol for hunting/ target practice.
There we go, thats it. That was fun. Now back to my cartoons

TJ AK-74
April 22, 2012, 03:04 PM
Obviously a firearm isn't an actual "need" in the true sense of the word, as people are not physically reliant on guns like they are on food, water, and air. In the broader sense of the word "need", there are legitimate things that are not merely "wants" but would be considered "needs" by the average/normal/reasonable person. Such "needs" include shelter, clothing, transportation/mobility, relationships, personal protection, health, etc. Using the reasonable definition of "need", one could easily make the argument that a firearm is a legitimate "need", not a "want".

For instance, one "could" successfully defend himself with an item other than a gun in SOME circumstances. However, there are some situations where talking your way out of it and/or running is not an option and your only choice is to give up and die or defend yourself. If your assailant is armed with a firearm, the only way to survive may be to also have and use a firearm. Therefore a firearm is a "need".

T.R.
April 22, 2012, 03:15 PM
This is all I need:

SHOTGUNS
- double barrel side X side 16 gauge for upland game
- pump 12 gauge for waterfowl and slug barrel for deer/bear

RIFLES
- 30-30 with 4X scope for forest and foothills deer
- .308 with 2X-7X scope for all other big game
- .22 MAG with 3X-9X scope for varmints
- 50 caliber modern ML rifle with 1.5X-4.5X scope for deer

HANDGUNS
- 22LR double action revolver
- 357 MAG double action revolver

TR

wickedsprint
April 22, 2012, 04:37 PM
I don't think so.



That's not what was said in the OP. it said "to cover all situations in N America." Nothing mentioned at all about a "bare bones survival point of view."

When you say "one gun is all you need," and "no one needs to CCW, we choose to," THAT is where our disconnect is.

I respect your opinion, but I disagree. Enjoy your evening.

RBid
April 22, 2012, 07:38 PM
For this reply...
"need" is a looser form, rather than biological need. It encompasses security and 'sense of security' considerations.

I'm also looking at my personal/individual needs, rather than making adjustments or additions to supply other people.


Current state needs:
2 handguns, 9mm+ caliber. 1 for ccw, 1 in case something happens to the other.

"SHTF" needs:
as above, plus 1 rifle, scoped, in .308 or other hunting/man-stopping flexible cartridge

Lots of rounds.

JShirley
April 23, 2012, 04:54 AM
Okay, if we're down to quibbling, obviously everything that needed to be said, has.

We all have different ideas, experiences, and budgets. Choose wisely...and practice.

John

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