S&W M&P Shield.....and M&P 45c - It was a good week :)


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GunNut
April 13, 2012, 09:20 PM
Picked up my M&P Shield today and headed straight to the range. Coolest thing is this gun was just announced at the NRA show yesterday.

It's of comparable size to the LC9/PF9 but feels much better in my hands than either and has a very good M&P-ish trigger. Only put 96 rounds through it but no issues and very accurate shooter for me.

Also picked up a "new" M&P 45 compact on Wednesday, it has a Apex Duty kit in it and was broken from the factory 3 years ago. I fixed it and got it for a really good deal. This thing drives tacks and shoots point of aim for me, i'm thinking this will eventually become my carry gun.

M&P Shield

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v655/stmcelroy/Guns/IMG_9994.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v655/stmcelroy/Guns/IMG_9995.jpg

My growing M&P collection:winkkiss:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v655/stmcelroy/Guns/IMG_9999.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v655/stmcelroy/Guns/IMG_9998.jpg

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bophi
April 13, 2012, 09:50 PM
what is the going price on these, if i may ask, thanks.

GunNut
April 13, 2012, 09:55 PM
what is the going price on these, if i may ask, thanks.
MSRP is $449, street price seems to be $399.

Well worth it IMHO.

Aahzz
April 13, 2012, 09:58 PM
It'd be worth the full $449, IMO. Paid $389 for mine.

GunNut
April 13, 2012, 10:03 PM
It'd be worth the full $449, IMO. Paid $389 for mine.
100% agree.

My buddy gave it to me a couple dollars over cost, a bunch less than I would have paid.

BamAlmighty
April 13, 2012, 10:34 PM
Not a fan, but I will give S&W credit for getting these into the hands of dealers at launch. Seems like anyone that wanted one could have gotten one with ease and at a decent price.

Something Keltec... Kimber... Beretta... Ruger... could learn from.

Grmlin
April 13, 2012, 11:58 PM
Stopped in LGS today and the part time clerks didn't know anything about it.

tarosean
April 14, 2012, 12:40 AM
Is the slide thinner?

momano
April 14, 2012, 08:33 AM
LGS here in St Louis, had four and sold out before I could even fondle one. $399 price here.

meanmrmustard
April 14, 2012, 08:52 AM
LGS here in St Louis, had four and sold out before I could even fondle one. $399 price here.
Which shop, I must know!!!

jon_in_wv
April 14, 2012, 09:11 AM
I'll be getting one soon. Looking forward to it!

Dean1818
April 14, 2012, 09:52 AM
Is the shield pocketable?

crracer_712
April 14, 2012, 10:05 AM
Mine will be here sometime next week, I was in the under 400 price range.

And to the OP, yeah, I'd say that was a good week too. The 45c is on my list, although with the G30SF, it's not as high on the list as it could be. The year is so young, and yet so many new models released by several manufacturers already!

Plan2Live
April 14, 2012, 10:08 AM
Looking at the specs and comparing them to the out of production CS9 they are nearly spot on identical with the Shield being slightly lighter than the CS9. I'm still not a fan of M&P's articulating trigger and I wish it was hammer fired instead of striker but am glad to see it introduced and available as an alternative to the baby Glock. I'm looking forward to comparing the Shield head to head or hand to hand so to speak against the recently unveiled Sig 938. Oh, that's right, you can't find a 938.....:neener:

WinThePennant
April 14, 2012, 10:42 AM
Congrats to S&W.

They are going to do VERY WELL with this model.

If only Glock could figure out how to bring a single stack 9mm into the market, then we'd be all set.

Ohioan
April 14, 2012, 10:52 AM
Glock HAS to be working on it. I cant imagine they would pass up this market entirely. There is just too much money in it.

I havr to admit, i like the looks of the Shield and am looking forward to fondling one. I hate the trigger on the M&P, but i think i hate the trigger on my PF9 more.

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The Lone Haranguer
April 14, 2012, 03:14 PM
Does the extended magazine hold an extra round?

GunNut
April 14, 2012, 03:30 PM
Does the extended magazine hold an extra round?
Yes. Flush mag holds 7, extended mag holds 8.

PabloJ
April 14, 2012, 03:32 PM
Is the shield pocketable?
No. The only truly pocketable 9x19 is the R9.

GunNut
April 14, 2012, 03:39 PM
No. The only truly pocketable 9x19 is the R9.
Depends. I can pocket carry a LC9, would be fine if I were on my feet most of the day.

Here's a pic I took last year showing the LC9 in one of my pocket holsters in my to tight jeans.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v655/stmcelroy/Holsters/IMG_7842.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v655/stmcelroy/Holsters/IMG_7845.jpg

wild cat mccane
April 14, 2012, 03:44 PM
Do me a favor and quickly draw that LC9.

As stated, only pocketable 9 is R9

GunNut
April 14, 2012, 03:51 PM
Do me a favor and quickly draw that LC9.

As stated, only pocketable 9 is R9
Never said I could quickly draw it, just showing it is pocket-able. Trust me I don't carry a gun that large in my pocket.

The only 9mm gun that I currently own that I consider a pocket gun in jeans is my Diamondback 9mm. When summer shows up I could very easily pocket carry the Shield in my shorts pockets since they are much larger than jean pockets.

ETA: I also sell a handful of Glock 19 pocket holsters each year. Just because you can't pocket carry something doesn't mean someone else can't or won't.

buck460XVR
April 14, 2012, 04:15 PM
Just because you can't pocket carry something doesn't mean someone else can't or won't.


Exactly. I have a coupla pairs of baggy cheap Walmart cargo pants. Had my wife remove the right front pockets and replaced them with a heavier material that also made them deeper by about three inches. I can easily carry my 5'' Colt government without printing and drawing is as easy as getting the car keys out. Works better than most concealable holsters. They're not a fashion statement and they don't work when I need to dress up, but for 90% of the time they work well.

skoro
April 14, 2012, 04:20 PM
Is the shield pocketable?

I would expect it would be. Appears to be the nearly same size as my PF-9 which I pocket carry often.

GunNut
April 14, 2012, 04:21 PM
Here are some comparison pics I took yesterday.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v655/stmcelroy/Comparison%20Pics/IMG_0022.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v655/stmcelroy/Comparison%20Pics/IMG_0021.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v655/stmcelroy/Comparison%20Pics/IMG_0020.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v655/stmcelroy/Comparison%20Pics/IMG_0019.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v655/stmcelroy/Comparison%20Pics/IMG_0018.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v655/stmcelroy/Comparison%20Pics/IMG_0017.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v655/stmcelroy/Comparison%20Pics/IMG_0016.jpg

Aahzz
April 14, 2012, 06:55 PM
The shield rides in the hip pocket of my jeans just fine- you can say what you want about it not being pocketable, I consider it perfectly pocketable.

The Lone Haranguer
April 15, 2012, 11:21 AM
I don't care personally if this one is pocketable (i.e., for continuous, practical pocket carry, as opposed to being able to stick it in your pocket temporarily). I do want a slimmer belt gun. I had hoped the Bersa BP9 would work out better. :o

jon_in_wv
April 15, 2012, 07:36 PM
I had hoped the Bersa BP9 would work out better.

Care to elaborate?

I also agree about a slimmer belt gun. There are more than a few times I really though the M&P would be perfect if it would a bit slimmer and with the option of a manual safety. In the winter I don't care but there times in the summer when a slimmer, lighter weapon will be really nice.

Aahzz
April 15, 2012, 08:12 PM
Do me a favor and quickly draw that LC9.

As stated, only pocketable 9 is R9

By the way, my Shield has been happily riding in the right front pocket of my jeans (in a pocket holster) all day today, and the draw is perfectly fine.

Dean1818
April 15, 2012, 08:51 PM
For those that have tried to pocket carry is your waist size 34 or more?

Aahzz
April 15, 2012, 09:36 PM
Considerably more - I am indeed a big man.

Cokeman
April 15, 2012, 09:56 PM
That makes your claim irrelevant to most then.

Aahzz
April 15, 2012, 10:57 PM
That makes your claim irrelevant to most then

No, it proves that statements that claim absolutes like "the R9 is the only pocketable 9 in existence" are fallacious at best. It may not be pocketable for YOU. It's extremely pocketable for ME.

Ohioan
April 15, 2012, 11:18 PM
Who cares what gun is the most pocketable?

Pocket carry is THE worst way to carry a gun.

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Cokeman
April 15, 2012, 11:20 PM
If you have big enough pockets, you can pocket a Glock 21.

Cokeman
April 15, 2012, 11:24 PM
Who cares what gun is the most pocketable?

Pocket carry is THE worst way to carry a gun.

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Someone who pocket carries?

GunNut
April 15, 2012, 11:45 PM
I can pocket carry the Shield in my shorts pockets, but not in jeans. I'm 5'11" and 200lbs with a 36" waist.

I've sold a ton of pocket holsters over the years, but I do consider this gun a belt gun for me.

thefish
April 15, 2012, 11:54 PM
Gunnut, id love to know what you paid. If thats legit on the forum. Wondering if there is enough margin for prices to come down off the 400 mark or if msrp is already so low that the prices will hold. And thanks for the in depth comparisons. I've been looking for a ccw 9. At first I was against striker fired but this m&p is looking really promising.

GunNut
April 16, 2012, 12:02 AM
I'm really thinking $399 will be the norm once supply catches up with demand, maybe $375 from real low margin dealers.

StrikeFire83
April 16, 2012, 12:08 AM
Who cares what gun is the most pocketable?

Pocket carry is THE worst way to carry a gun.


Quite a few of us. If I'm belt carrying I'll go with my G26...a shorter, more concealable frame with 10+1 on tap and two 17 rounders on my belt. .2" extra thickness doesn't make a damn bit of difference on a belt with a good holster.

Dean1818
April 16, 2012, 07:19 AM
Who cares what gun is the most pocketable?

Pocket carry is THE worst way to carry a gun.

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Hey fellow buckeye....
(born in Ohio, but now in Texas)

Pocket carry isnt the preferred way, but if i have to tuck in a shirt, its much easier to toss a pistol in a pocket holster and put it in the pocket.

There are also times that i am just running to the store and dont want to clip on the supertuck to take out th M&P45c

I have a CM9 today which fits the bill for pocket carry. However, i am not enthralled with
the long trigger. Forget a true doubletap.

I was hoping that the shield would have put one or two less rounds in the gun, but offered an extended mag that would have made everyone happy.

I may still buy a shield, but they would have clobbered a huge market and differentiated themslves even more with this option

JustinJ
April 16, 2012, 09:52 AM
I'm a little dissapointed by the size. I went from a PF9 to an LC9 due to reliablity issues and find the LC9 to really be at the limit of pocket carry without an excessive bulge. I can't stand the Lc9 trigger so considered the Khar but the vertical feed ramp and reported reliability issues turned me away. The Shield had my hopes up but think it will probably be too big.

greenlion
April 16, 2012, 06:57 PM
I'm a little dissapointed by the size.

Yep. No one is even remotely trying to one-up Kahr on their pocket sized 9mm's. I will stick with Kahr until someone does.

GunNut
April 16, 2012, 07:03 PM
Yep. No one is even remotely trying to one-up Kahr on their pocket sized 9mm's. I will stick with Kahr until someone does.
Sure they have. Both the Diamondback 9mm and the Rohrbaugh R9 are smaller than the Kahr CM/PM.

The problem is that the really small 9mm's really mess with reliability. Either the gun has issues or the shooter isn't able to handle the recoil and induces problems.

I'm sure S&W realized this and didn't want to spend considerable money working on guns that have problems or trying to fix things that the shooter is causing.

1KPerDay
April 16, 2012, 07:20 PM
Who cares what gun is the most pocketable?

Pocket carry is THE worst way to carry a gun.

Worse than SOB? Worse than ankle holster? Worse than car glove box? Worse than fanny pack?

;)


BTW thanks for the great pics, GunNut. :cool:

StrikeFire83
April 16, 2012, 09:31 PM
Yep. No one is even remotely trying to one-up Kahr on their pocket sized 9mm's. I will stick with Kahr until someone does.

+100. I sold my PM9 because I needed money/I'm a grad student who can't carry on-campus. I wish I hadn't. You're right, nobody's come close for size & reliability. I'd love a PM9/CM9 sized gun with a Glock-like trigger, but alas, it's not to be (for now)...oh wells.

The problem is that the really small 9mm's really mess with reliability. Either the gun has issues or the shooter isn't able to handle the recoil and induces problems.

I'm sure S&W realized this and didn't want to spend considerable money working on guns that have problems or trying to fix things that the shooter is causing.

That's funny, my PM9 was great. 100% reliable. And I could "handle the recoil" just fine, thankyouverymuch. I agree that the Diamondback DB9's are GARBAGE, but that's one company making one crappy gun. An indictment of all pocket-nines it is not.

dondavis3
April 18, 2012, 09:26 AM
Interesting reading ...

But not real relevant.

As S&W has never advertised this gun as a "Pocket" carry gun. :what:

I don't know where that came from.

Congratulations on your new gun.

It's a nice gun.

:cool:

CharlieDeltaJuliet
April 18, 2012, 09:58 AM
My two local gun stores have these now. They just came in yesterday. I almost came home with one. They look like the best small CCW for my use.... My wife is going to kill me...lol. Might just go back today and pick one up...

arthury
April 18, 2012, 10:27 AM
Well, it is all good but it's all theory to most of us until there are guns in our hands. The initial 3,000 in the first batch for the launch was way under estimating the market and note that there are, at least, 100K gun dealers in the US; so, there is not even enough for each gun dealer to get one each.

It'll be interesting to see how S&W churns out this Shield to meet the demands of the market in the next 6 months without losing quality.

arthury
April 18, 2012, 10:32 AM
Interesting reading ...

As S&W has never advertised this gun as a "Pocket" carry gun. :what:



You are aware that the Shield is competing directly with these pocket guns:

Beretta Nano
Ruger LC9
Springfield Armory XDs

danez71
April 18, 2012, 11:31 PM
You are aware that the Shield is competing directly with these pocket guns:

Beretta Nano
Ruger LC9
Springfield Armory XDs



I dont see where any of those guns are being advertised as pocket guns by the manufacturers.


http://www.berettausa.com/products/nano/
http://www.ruger.com/products/lc9/models.html
http://www.xdspistol.com/ This isnt even released yet either.


The point is that people keep criticizing the mfg and the gun for an attribute that was never promoted by the mfg.

Quiet unfair.

GunNut
April 18, 2012, 11:40 PM
S&W Shield Hybrid IWB Holster

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v655/stmcelroy/Kydex%20Holsters/540371_418463021498412_100000041537720_26036024_960378405_n.jpg

StrikeFire83
April 19, 2012, 12:52 AM
I dont see where any of those guns are being advertised as pocket guns by the manufacturers.


http://www.berettausa.com/products/nano/

Uh, I hate to keep picking nits, but you're wrong on this'un.

From the URL you posted:

Home > Firearms > Handguns > Pocket > Beretta BU9 Nano 9x19mm Parabellum

danez71
April 19, 2012, 01:52 AM
huh... got me there.

I even did a ctrl+f for 'poc' to find anything that started with that. Dang Microsoft failed me again. :cuss: Must reboot... that seems to be the default fix for all things microsoft ;)



Ok... bashing Berretta is fair game for that provided that at least some reasonable amount of effort is put into having decent size pockets.

Speedo pockets dont count. :uhoh:

StrikeFire83
April 19, 2012, 02:11 AM
No problem, we all make mistakes. The Beretta Nano is a loser, just head over to the Beretta Forum to see what kind of crap they turned out. I'll admit that the Shield seems to be working well out of the box, and that's really something these days.

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