Question for Women Shooters


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NeverAgain26
January 30, 2003, 09:24 AM
I want to hear from women on the forum or opinions of wives of members who shoot.

My wife is coming around to my way of seeing gun issues in a slow and steady manner. Years back, we were a no-guns household. 9/11 came and I decided to learn to shoot. She reluctantly tolerated my doing so, but my guns were relegated to being locked in a safe when not at the range. Eventually I got more guns. Then came neighborhood break-ins and I got a quick access gun safe for our bedroom. I keep a S&W 686 loaded in it now. Again, she reluctantly agreed to this. I insisted she learn how to handle a gun in case I wasn't home and there was a need and she came down to the range with some neighbors who also wanted to learn. We all had a good time and now she is a bit more understanding of my passion.

What I want to know from a woman's standpoint is:
- What makes a woman enjoy shooting?
- Why do women shoot?
- Why do women own guns?
- Why is it necessary for a woman to know how to shoot?
- What would appeal to a woman about owning and shooting guns?
- How can I get you to clean my guns:neener: ?

O.K., the last one was a joke, but I want to understand guns from a woman's perspective in order to make the case to my wife from a feminine perspective, to bring her a bit closer to where I stand. I enjoy shooting and I would love to have someone I love be supportive and understanding of this as well as a bit less reluctant. If I could share the joy of what I enjoy, this would be the best-case scenario.

I know the answers from a man's perspective, but that won't help me make my case.

Thanks in advance for your feedback.

NA26

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Tamara
January 30, 2003, 09:43 AM
Well, uh, I probably own and enjoy guns for the same reasons anyone else does: They're fun; they have a high "gizmo factor"; some are neat pieces of history; they're useful; you can't take a beanie baby, postage stamp, or coin collection to the range (well, you could, but beanie babies have lousy ballistic coefficients, stamps have miserable sectional density, and I doubt I could hit anything past 15 yards with an Indian Head nickel); they're reasonably safe places to store money (easily-liquidated and more fun to play with than CDs or municipal bonds); plus, burnt powder and Hoppe's No.9 both smell really, really cool...

Teufelhunden
January 30, 2003, 10:47 AM
NeverAgain,

Not to rain on your parade, but it seems as if you want your wife to LIKE shooting when she's more at the 'tolerating it level'. I say this because I'm much in the same boat as you. I married a BHL (Bleeding Heart Liberal), started buying guns when I convinced her that I was better off with my own weapon than the company's run down ones, have taken her to the range with me and have generally tried to introduce them slowly to someone who until me, hadn't even seen a real gun other than on a cop's belt.

I too decided that she should know how to use the weapons I have in the house for both self-defense reason and more mundane reasons like knowing how to check and clear a weapon. She's been to the range and has shot a rental .22, a 6' Taurus .38spl revolver that my mother gave me (free guns, woohoo!), and both my .40's. She's not a bad shot at all, though she shows a preference for weapons other than the .40's. Even after multiple range trips though, I can't get her to ENJOY it. She sees going to the range as something necessary, but not entertaining, and won't go more often than every few months, whereas I would go shooting every weekend if I could afford it.

Mention of further weapon purchases are met with this 'Damned Marines!' look she's developed. The bottom line is that she sees guns having only utilitarian value, not entertainment value as well. This results in tolerance, but very little enthusiam. If she's not had fun with them by now, I don't think she'll spontaneously start. Unfortunately, women like Tam are too few...


-Teuf

CatsDieNow
January 30, 2003, 10:51 AM
Because women as well as men have the attitude "It won't happen to me". Just a couple of months ago I was taking a walk in my neighborhod. A guy pulls up next to me in a pickup truck. I assumed he wanted directions or something...turns out that he was not wearing any pants and was "enjoying himself" while driving. Fortunatly, he was pretty skiddish and harmless, but that could have easily gone bad.

I also like to fill milk jugs up with water and blow them up with my .22 Buckmark. :D

Tamara: Perhaps you are going about that backwards. Try shooting the beanie babies. ;)

Tamara
January 30, 2003, 10:56 AM
Actually I only have one beanie baby: an octopus. For some reason I couldn't pass up the opportunity to buy a plush, stuffed mollusc.

FPrice
January 30, 2003, 11:11 AM
"What I want to know from a woman's standpoint is:
- What makes a woman enjoy shooting?"

While I cannot answer from a woman's pov, I think I can address this one point.

You cannot MAKE someone enjoy something (not that I think you were trying to, mind you). This is an individual decision that a person, man or woman, has to come to on their own. A person has to have some sort of emotional or other trigger that makes them interested in any particular activity. Whether it be cross-stitching, motorcyles, baking, or shooting.

Many of us men become interested in shooting because it is a "manly" thing, or many times because we are exposed to it at a young age by fathers or other male role models. In my particular case it happened when I went into the AF, so I was later than many.

Women are different than men (THANK GOD FOR THIS!) and often their motivations and interests are far removed from ours. And we as men do not usually recognize this. Thus we often become interested in something for what we consider perfectly good reasons, and expect that others will see this and come to the same conclusions. And we are usually wrong.

I really do not think it is so much a "woman's" issue as it is the particular outlook and interests that develop in each of us. I know many women who are much more interested and involved in shooting sports than I am. Yet they are just as much a woman as those who are not interested in these pursuits. Why the difference? I don't know.

My advice is to back off the issue somewhat, let your wife know that she is welcome to come with you any time, or that you will take her at any time that she wants, but don't try to go beyond this point. She will either become more interested or she will not. But she will have to do it when she decides.

Good luck.

PATH
January 30, 2003, 11:50 AM
Well I did this with the wife and it seemed to work.

"Honey, I want you to share time with me doing something I really enjoy doing". "I want to share with you." "It is important to me that we do things together and I so want to share this part of my life with you." (Beaten puppy dog look and sad eyes are a must at this point).

Well it is all really touchy feely but the wife smiled and said okay.
There is a price to pay though. You have to reciprocate. Remember that you must smile and enjoy the activities she does.

Thank goodness my wife does not like the ballet!:D

Dogsoldier
January 30, 2003, 12:04 PM
My story is a little different than Path's. I had a pretty sizable collection when we were married. She knew that most of the guns came from my grandfather and were very important to me. One day I told her that it was time to go to the range for some practice. I simply asked her if she wanted to go. Like most of the red blooded liberal American females, she refused. Yep tolerance mode. Did this about three times then asked, "Why not". After a little talking she admitted that she knew nothing about guns and really didn't care for them. I used logic. (Flame bait with this next statement) which usually doesn't work when applied by a husband to a wife. Not that women do not believe that their husbands don't know what they are talking about. Just that after marriage the hubby's opinion becomes irrelavent. :neener:

I just told here that all she needed to shoot a few to become comfortable with them in the house. This way she will also understand that they will not go off on thier own, run across the room and all the other idiocy that she has been told.

Long story short, I created a monster. She is a bigger gun nut than I am. I have lost most of my gun collection to her. Everytime I build or buy a new gun, she shoots it and after the big grin, she says "Mine Now!" :what:

PATH
January 30, 2003, 12:10 PM
Dogsoldier, I love a story with a happy ending!:D

Mastrogiacomo
January 30, 2003, 12:10 PM
Let's see if I remember this all...:D I own guns because I wanted to get a job in armed security as it pays more. That's why I bought them in the first place. Hence, the S&W 442 which I hate. :fire: Secondly, I own the Beretta pistols since I'm Sicilian and couldn't resist and they're beautiful guns. What makes shooting enjoyable is ear plugs AND the ear protection. Loud sounds are painful for women and that could be a huge draw back if you're trying to get a woman interested in the sport. Another thing that makes it unpleasant is when men tell me what handgun is for me. I take a Beretta in any size so I don't appreciate hearing about the glory of revolvers. Give me a pistol any day. Lastly, additional instruction from a NRA teacher goes a long way to build confidence. My two cents...:)

As far as cleaning your guns...give me the money for custom job at Langdon for my Berettas and we'll talk. :evil:

Mark Benningfield
January 30, 2003, 12:16 PM
Hello All.

My suggestion is to get away from the range and go plinking. While my sons and I really enjoy punching holes in paper, my daughter finds it pretty boring. She really enjoys plinking, though. I think it is because there is a more immediate feedback and a more relaxed atmosphere. (No guy on the next lane letting loose with a .45-70 cannon) Wait for a nice sunny day, take her out to a junkyard or a pasture with a boatload of tin cans, bottles, jugs, junk from around the house, and turn her loose. Let her try shooting from various positions; let her try to skip a can across the field with successive shots; in short, let her play. Now, I know, play is not normally a word we like to associate with firearms, but for her to enjoy it, it has to be fun. Play is fun. As always, play by the rules. This has worked wonders with my daughter. She's a crack shot with her Remington 597, which irritates her younger brother to no end. :D

Mastrogiacomo
January 30, 2003, 12:22 PM
That's a great suggestion actually. I know when I'm at the range, I find it very annoying to have some guy next to me letting loose with his guns. I jump constantly from the noise. Going outside is a great idea. Wish I had the option to do something like that but I'm nowhere near that type of setting.

Calamity Jane
January 30, 2003, 12:39 PM
What makes a woman enjoy shooting?

===> Well, from my POV, it's just darned FUN. I like target-oriented activities that require me to build and develop my skill. Shooting fits the bill beautifully. It allows me to always challenge myself. Plus, I simply love the smell of gunpowder in the morning (and in the afternoon, and the evening - you get the idea :neener: !).

Why do women shoot?

===> For all sorts of reasons. I shoot because I enjoy it. From the practical standpoint, I want to keep my skills at a respectable level should I ever be called upon to defend myself or somebody else from harm.

Why do women own guns?

===> Again, all sorts of reasons. Me, I own 'em because 1). they're darned fun and darned cool - as Tamara said, they're great gizmos and fascinating pieces of history 2). they are the most efficient means of protecting my person and my loved ones 3). to me, they represent FREEDOM. I could not explain myself on this one any better than Dennis Bateman, who wrote a lovely, moving essay on this subject, which can be found here:

http://www.thefiringline.com/Misc/library/Metal_and_Wood.html

Why is it necessary for a woman to know how to shoot?

===> Women tend to be smaller than men, and we are more readily preyed upon by people who wish to cause others harm. Those of us who don't wish ourselves, our families, or our kids to be sitting ducks for the evil troglodytes who plague humanity are well-advised to make use of an effective "equalizer."

What would appeal to a woman about owning and shooting guns?

===> Self-reliance. Skill. Freedom. Dignity. Fun. BANG! :D

hawk0484
January 30, 2003, 03:35 PM
but I love it! (BTW, I am female, 49 yrs. old)

What makes me enjoy it? I am a decent shot...it is something that came easily to me after some good instruction.

Why do women shoot? I shoot because I like the challenge of improving, and my favorite perfumes are eau de gunpowder and nitro solvent.

Why do women own guns? OK, if I can drive, I want a vehicle; if I can play a guitar, I want one to practice with...same for guns. I want them because I like them and I like using them.

Why do women need to know how to shoot? Read the headlines. Even in small towns, there are more assaults than there were 10 years ago. It may be my imagination, but seems like more of the population is just out-right mean---willing to take a life (mine!) for next to to nothing. I like to have the knowledge and power to defend myself.

What would appeal to a woman about shooting and owning guns? I like being prepared. I hope I never have to use a gun to defend myself...BUT I like knowing I can if the need arises.

Mastrogiacomo
January 30, 2003, 04:44 PM
I'd like to add if there's any question why women need to learn how to handle firearms, check out the numbers. Woman and children represent the highest risk group for being victimized by extreme violence. They're ask risk for rape, abuse (family/boyfriend), stalking, and at risk for random violence. How could anyone that reads the papers or listen to the news ask such a question -- other than living in a shell oblivious to their social evironment.

DonP
January 30, 2003, 05:08 PM
My soon to be wife and step daughters were anti when we met.

After they realized I enjoyed shooting, and wasn't a raving gun nut, they started to accept my trips to the range as a normal outing, like playing golf only lots less expensive.

The next step was to de-mystify the object. I took my Buck Mark and my Colt Pocketlite, both smaller, lighter guns down to the kitchen table one evening to "clean" them. I explained that I never had any ammunition in the same room when I was cleaning a gun for safety reasons.

Then, I showed them how to properly clear a gun and the basic rules of safe gun handfling. All within the safe and familiar confines of my home. Natural curiousity played a big part as well as patience.

After a while I invited all 3 of them to join me on a trip to the range.

I picked a nice clean and well lit range near my home, where a lot of other women shoot, and we took only a few smaller pistols. Low recoil, low noise. I also talked to the range owner and got us a lane at the far end to use for instructional shooting so we didn't have the Dirty Harry wannabee's blasting away next to us.

To make a long story tolerable, the girls love shooting now, the mystery and danger that the typical anti thrives on are gone and they see guns for the tools they can be.

One of the girls goes shooting with me all the time, the other has tried it and it's "OK, but not like her favorite thing to do". I'll settle for that.

Now I have to figure how to get my Buckmark with the red dot back from them at the range and get to use it myself again.

Good luck

Don P.

Dogsoldier
January 30, 2003, 09:03 PM
Why is it necessary for a woman to know how to shoot?

===> Women tend to be smaller than men, and we are more readily preyed upon by people who wish to cause others harm. Those of us who don't wish ourselves, our families, or our kids to be sitting ducks for the evil troglodytes who plague humanity are well-advised to make use of an effective "equalizer."

I read an interesting factoid once. In non-leo self defense shootings, men kill the attacker roughly 55% of the time. Women on the other hand have an 80% rate of kills. :what:

The article explained why and it made tons of sense. It has to do with the way most women hold the gun and how the attacker comes at them. Men will go weaver, isocolese or what ever. The attacker will generally come at men at an angle. Like when you know your going to get into a fight, you naturally turn at an angle to your advesary. When a male mutant attacks a woman, he does not have the same anticipation of resistance and come straight at her, even when armed with a gun. The ladies, who were mostly untrained, tended to hold the firearm infront of them with both hands, centered to thier torso, their elbows locked at their sides. This postioning puts the muzzle in a straight line to the bag guys middle. The bullets are sent straight into the abdominal aorta or that other big vain that goes down the middle, which name I can't remember.

Jrob24
January 30, 2003, 09:58 PM
"The bullets are sent straight into the abdominal aorta or that other big vain that goes down the middle, which name I can't remember."

I think it's the posterior vena cava

bamf
January 31, 2003, 12:07 AM
acutally...inferior vena cave

pax
January 31, 2003, 02:49 AM
What I want to know from a woman's standpoint is:
- What makes a woman enjoy shooting?
- Why do women shoot?
- Why do women own guns?
- Why is it necessary for a woman to know how to shoot?
- What would appeal to a woman about owning and shooting guns?
Dunno about "a" woman, or even about "women." I know a little bit about this woman, from the inside. :)

I enjoy the feeling of power when I shoot a gun -- the knowledge that I am holding in my hands the means to protect myself and my family from someone bigger and stronger than I am. I enjoy shooting a handgun with stiff recoil and enjoy learning more about them every trip to the range. I like the feeling of learning a new physical skill and like the mental challenge of learning some of the why's and wherefore's of handgun ballistics.

Of course, I enjoyed few or none of those things when I first started shooting; I learned to enjoy such things as I went along. Mostly I got into shooting because a good friend invited me to come along and learn how to shoot, and because I recognized for myself that the police would not ever, ever, ever show up at my rural home in time to prevent carnage if a BG came through the front door. So I started into handguns because I had a felt need to learn how to shoot; this wasn't something someone else had pointed out, but something I had already realized on my own.

When I hold a gun, I really do enjoy the realization that I am doing something that not many other women enjoy doing. If your wife is the sort of woman who does not enjoy that sort of knowledge, you're going to have to make sure that she always has plenty of other, supportive women around her when she goes to the range.

Even so, don't underestimate peer pressure. For some people, just the ... mmmm, suspicion? .... that others won't approve is enough to steal some of the joy out of an activity. For those with a strong need for others' approval, things which others won't express approval of simply aren't fun and never will be.

When I first started shooting, I did not enjoy seeing my shots on paper. I would far rather have a knock-down target, or a swing plate, or a resetting steel target. These are far more forgiving of beginning marksmanship, and give an immediate reward for good shooting. It is unbelievably discouraging to shoot your best, and be rewarded with holes splattered all over (and off of) the paper. No matter that the beginner "should" be encouraged by the number of shots which hit the intended target, the normal human thing to do is to focus upon the holes which didn't hit where they were supposed to. That's very discouraging. So I really think some kind of knock-down target is best, because it rewards good shooting by falling over, and does not keep a record of the bad shots. Later on, of course, a record of the bad shots can be valuable. But right at the beginning, it's a real dampener.

- How can I get you to clean my guns ? No chance. If I can get someone else to do it, I will weasel out of cleaning 'em myself, every time.

Hope that helps a bit.

pax

Men are taught to apologize for their weaknesses, women for their strengths. -- Lois Wyse

pax
January 31, 2003, 03:10 AM
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M58
January 31, 2003, 06:18 AM
A good father helps.
Fun.
Control of ones life.
Job.
Did I mention fun?:p

Ed Brunner
January 31, 2003, 07:34 AM
I read an interesting factoid once. In non-leo self defense shootings, men kill the attacker roughly 55% of the time. Women on the other hand have an 80% rate of kills.

Based only on my limited experience this is true because women tend to keep on clicking 'til he quits kicking.

Trisha
January 31, 2003, 03:07 PM
Just from personal experience (and it lines up with most of our friends):

1) It's originated from a basic enjoyment of being self-reliant. (I screamed for help and begged goblins to stop pounding me - and nobody came, even after the goblins left. Never again) As a teacher, I find that when a girl wakes up and smells the coffee and looks up her municipality's violent crime stats, she's got few inhibitions to learning self-defense; and that has almost always led to a study and enjoyment of firearms. Sadly, many of my students/friends have only 'come to their senses' after surviving violence.

2) Basic competence - and it's usually evolved to personal competition: we (Susan and I) enjoy the feeling that we are continuously working on higher levels of proficiency. Surpassing each goal feels very good!

3) See answers one and two. Beyond that, it is a personal selection prioritized on quality, absolute reliability and ergonomics - and NOT in that order for any given personal purchase. "My gun" has as much intimacy as "My lingerie;" or even "My toothbrush."

4.a) From a self-defense orientation, goblins choose the most seemingly vulnerable target; and in a suit and dress heels it's like throwing chum to sharks. To those with testosterone poisoning, almost any opportunity/fantasy fulfillment seems to be justification enough - and then it's time to competently immediately send said goblin(s) straight to hell.

4.b) From a sense of balanced competence and self-reliance, including the pleasure of hunting for our own food and not having to rely on anybody else? That's already been answered, I think.

5) See above.

6) :rolleyes: :D And as this is a family board, I won't go into any specifics of who you'd have to be and/or what you'd have to do to get me to clean your guns...

Hugs!

Trisha

NeverAgain26
January 31, 2003, 03:57 PM
Great responses and thanks to all of you.

I am not trying to 'make' my wife like shooting. I wanted to understand why it appealed to women who do shoot in order to somehow point out those reasons to my wife when we were discussing the subject.

My wife is her own person (G-d Bless her) and a pretty independent thinker. She is open to logic. I, being a man, had no idea what would appeal to women about shooting so I could not point those things out to her.

Based on the responses, I have a pretty good idea of shooting from a woman's standpoint and I can make those points when the topic comes up.

Thanks, again, all of you.

NA26

Kaylee
January 31, 2003, 09:32 PM
Oddly enough, I just had a date with a feller who insisted his ex get a CCW and carry piece to better take care of herself when he wasn't around. And yet, he doesn't own a handgun himself. Hunting rifles certainly. Carry gun no. Odd, that. :scrutiny:

Anyhow... I suppose what tripped it for me was a little vehicular stalking thing in the New Mexico desert, just a couple months after finding strangers out back trying to get past my dogs into the house. The yard event was innocent, it turned out... the stalking wasn't. Both ended happily, thankfully. BUT.... were reason enough to go out and learn the gun thing.

My interest in gun (and economic) politics ensued very shortly thereafter, when trying to get a weapon in the PRK where I lived at the time. Nothing like living in a socialist utopia to make you want a gun. :banghead:

Since then, I learned the historical and gadget-based pleasures of the things... and just the pure aesthetic beauty of wood and metal and nice lines... but it pretty much started with a rude shock into reality.

I think that's a necessary event for a lot of folks to get into guns, male or female. Hopefully it's a relatively harmless shock, like mine. Unfortunately, as others have said... not always. :(

-K

Miss Demeanors
February 1, 2003, 02:06 AM
I can only answer for me, and remember, I used to hate guns ;)


- What makes a woman enjoy shooting?

Hitting the target ;) For the most part, knowing I can defend myself and know how to use my gun. Should someone break in, God forbid, that isn't going to be the first time I have shot my gun. I will be comfortable and accurate with it. It's also fun shooting all different kinds of guns and rifles and in the summer you can get a nice tan. :D


- Why do women shoot?


Practice and for fun as well.

- Why do women own guns?

Because no one is going to hurt my little girl or me.

- Why is it necessary for a woman to know how to shoot?

In an intense situation, such as a break in or attempted rape, you aren't going to be so relaxed about your gun as you are when not in the situation. I think its important to know your gun like the back of your hand, it will be natural to you when you need to put it to use.


- What would appeal to a woman about owning and shooting guns?


Something new to shop for! ;) The different kinds to choose from come close to that of shoes! LOL Happiness is a belt fed mag! It's the ultimate stress reliever after tending to children all day long. Kids? What kids? All I see is this ak47 :D


- How can I get you to clean my guns ?

Let me shoot them!

stipilot
February 1, 2003, 08:43 PM
- How can I get you to clean my gunsMy wife and I have come to an agreement.

I clean her guns. She feeds me.

Not sure how she suckered me into loading her ammo though.:confused:

My wife started shooting because she realized there are times when when self defense is necessary and that however unlikely that event may occur, the task of protecting herself or her family could fall to her shoulders.

She came to enjoy recreational shooting and has since become an active USPSA competitor. She enjoys the shooting but also enjoys the fellowship of the regional shooting community.

There's also nothing like going to the range after a crummy day out work and blowing off a 150 rounds of Super.

pax
February 1, 2003, 11:18 PM
Not sure how she suckered me into loading her ammo though.
That's okay. She's still wondering how she got suckered into doing most of the laundry. :D

pax

This is why guys everywhere will be grateful for an excellent laundry tip sent in by Bob Rundquist of Northampton, Mass. Bob's tip can be summarized in three words: ''Buy more underpants.''
As Bob explains in his letter: ''My wife and I share housework on a random basis. For instance sometimes she does laundry, sometimes I do. I figured out that laundry gets done when one of us is out of underwear. So I bought six new pairs of underpants. Now my stack never runs out before my wife does the laundry.'' -- Dave Barry

redhead
February 2, 2003, 01:04 AM
Well, here's my story. I was never anti-, just neutral. Does anyone here remember Cary Stayner, the monster who murdered three women (Carol Sund, here daugher, and her daughter's friend, exchange student Sivina Peloso) and beheaded a naturalist in Yosemite Park, Joie Armstrong. When that happened, I remembered thinking that perhaps if Mrs. Sund had been armed, she may have been able to save her daughter and friend, and herself.

I went out and bought a .38 revolver, snub-nose, 5 shot. Then I put it in a closet. A few months later, I decided it wasn't going to do me any good there, so my husband and I went to the range. A man there took one look at me, and knew I didn't know what i was doing. He showed me the basics, handed me his ruger .22, and I fired that for awhile. Then I went and bought my own Ruger Mark II, and practiced with that. Wow! I loved to shoot! I have purchased a few other handguns in different calibers since then, and just really enjoy it. It's a challenge to continually improve.

I am a firm believe in self-defense, and think that any feminist worth her lipstick (wait - do feminists wear lipstick?) would also believe that knowing how to use a firearm in defense of herself and her family is very empowering. Unfortunately, too many feminists think that choice only applies to abortions, not to firearms ownership. It seems to contradictory - "the more helpless you are (unarmed), the safer you'll be". It seems to me that a feminist would find the notion of helplessness totally abhorent.

After a day at the range, I cook dinner on the condition that hubby cleans my guns. :D Sounds fair. Right?

Reloading is next on my list of challenges

Diane
February 2, 2003, 07:24 AM
I wasn't against guns, but more afraid of them. The first time I went shooting changed that. It was fun! Actually shooting and reading the forums esp TFL helped me get over my fears and insecurites. I saw that other people had the same questions that I had, and didn't feel dumb about asking those questions. Now, for personal reasons, I feel very secure knowing that I have a loaded Sig 228 in my night table and am able to use it, if neccesary.

Good Luck!
Diane

Oh, and by the way, my husband cleans my guns!

Calamity Jane
February 2, 2003, 12:10 PM
Reloading is next on my list of challenges.

Ah, yes - I've recently gotten into reloading myself - hubby and I reload all our ammo now. It's GREAT! Once you start, there ain't no goin' back. :D

redhead
February 2, 2003, 01:32 PM
Once you start, there ain't no goin' back.

That's what I'm afraid of. The same thing when I started shooting. When am I going to have enough guns? I keep seeing things I want, but have to remind myself I already have a decent collection, and there are other priorities right now for the money. I just hate to prioritize. :p

stipilot
February 3, 2003, 09:00 AM
That's okay. She's still wondering how she got suckered into doing most of the laundry.Way not true!

I tried to do the laundry once. She won't let me near the washing machine anymore.:D

Alan Smithiee
February 3, 2003, 07:26 PM
stipilot, does it have anything to do with overflowing washers? (and dishwashers).

my wife got into shooting because she had a BAD day at work and needed to blow off some stress (kinda suprising since she cried when she found out I had gotten a pistol). the 15 minute safety lecture and she was doing half inch groups at 25 yards with a 60 year old .22 hi standard.

then there was the sweeping the Pin table with a 9mm she had never used before at a fun shoot and having 25 guys applaud...

THEN there was guy in the cowboy rig. that was the last straw....

now she "ownes" more firearms than I do... (the ones she doesn't like are mine). but now I don't have any problem with what to buy at any holiday... (firearm related or Edged Steel will do)

and she just said I can get a progressive Reloading press (YEHA!)

when I asked her why she liked it she muttered something about channeling her great great grandmother (back when CA was still part of Mexico)

she beats me with a pistol 99% of the time, when she beats me with a rifle I'm fileing for Divorce (:neener: )

Travis McGee
February 4, 2003, 02:08 AM
For the record: I am not a woman and have never played one on TV.

If you want a lady to enjoy shooting, and the range is kind of stifling, I'd suggest a fun aftrenoon in the local cinder pit, quarry, or other "free fire zone" with a .22 target pistol.

Forget boring paper bullseye targets. (Yawn.) Take loads of steel cans (much better than soft aluminum soda cans that hardly move when hit), balloons, bottles, steel "spinner" targets etc.

Make it fun! Let her make those cans dance! Pow pow pow! Pop those balloons way up the hill! Yeah baby, now we're talking! .22 is the way to get a newbie to love shooting, THEN move them up to the major caliber centerfires.

JeanC
February 4, 2003, 08:37 PM
Nanaimo Barr muttered:

"she beats me with a pistol 99% of the time, when she beats me with a rifle I'm fileing for Divorce"

Uh huh, and this being a community property state means I get half the reloading stuff, including the progressive press AND half the guns you got left :D

beckrodgers
February 4, 2003, 08:46 PM
For me, it is the sure joy and pleasure of shooting something. I like the control I feel when I have the weapon and I am learning also so that I can one day protect myself, and not necessarily have to rely on a man. Not that I'm bashing men!! My boyfriend is an avid shooter and I love having that love of shooting in common with him and being able to spend a day with him just shooting is sheer pleasure!! Read Paxton Quigley's book "Armed and Female" and it will tell you a lot about what you want to know and get your wife to do so also. G. Gordon Liddy has good insights into females also. Because of him I read the book.

Dogsoldier
February 4, 2003, 08:47 PM
Ya' know what folks...

All this talk of ladies and guns has given me the heebee-jeebees. All I can remember is the sage wisdom of my granpa who said:

"Never teach a woman to shoot, teach her to fish instead. You see, you can take one hell of a whipping with a fishing pole...." :neener:

beckrodgers
February 4, 2003, 08:54 PM
I just hopped over to the Family, Friends & Firearms site and at the top was a discussion about Women and Arms and a link to a website www.womentoarms.net (http://) Wonder what that's about? Better go check it out.

goon
February 4, 2003, 10:18 PM
"burnt powder and Hoppe's No.9 both smell really, really cool..."

Are you talking about Winchester ball powder? I swear, burning Winchester powder is the best smell ever.
Except maybe the Hoppe's....:D

Col. Mustard
February 4, 2003, 10:19 PM
I'm surprised nobody has referenced the Second Amendment Sisters site (http://www.sas-aim.org/) to answer this question.

CAP
February 4, 2003, 10:23 PM
Col. Mustard. I'll 2nd the Second Amendment Sisters website.
What a great bunch of gals women shooters are.

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