15 Gauge Shotgun?


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jerkyman45
April 14, 2012, 10:31 PM
I recently came across an older shotgun, marked Fox 15 Gauge. Now I assume this old gun, a side by side, is a Fox brand gun, but i have never heard of a 15 gauge and I cannot find any mention of it online. From what I have seen the Fox guns were manufactured in 12, 16, and 20 gauge. I am confidant in my reading of 15 gauge, we even used magnifying glasses to check. Any thoughts?

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rcmodel
April 14, 2012, 10:37 PM
No such animal that I know of.

A cryptozoologist would suspect a broken # 6 on the roll die.

If you pop the forearm off, there might be more chamber info under there on the water table flats on the barrels.

rc

jerkyman45
April 14, 2012, 10:51 PM
Update: It is a fox model B, from Savage, I am not sure of the year it was manufactured but we did take a picture of the marking in question. It might be a strange sort of wear pattern considering how the 5 looks, as most all of the original blueing gone, but it looks like a 5, and it looks as though it has always been a 5.
http://i.imgur.com/5q7Dq.jpg

Jim Watson
April 14, 2012, 10:54 PM
Broken die for 16 gauge.

rcmodel
April 14, 2012, 10:54 PM
It's a 16 Ga.

The roll die had a broken 6 on it.

rc

wwace
April 14, 2012, 11:00 PM
16ga

Macchina
April 14, 2012, 11:02 PM
Wow, you guys are very bad at reading. It's clearly marked 15 gauge on the barrel so it's obviously a 15 gauge...

I bet it shoot's 16 gauge shells just fine ;)

GWARGHOUL
April 15, 2012, 12:52 AM
You're all wrong, thats one of those rare 18 gauge wildcats.

They only made 18 of them, and my grandpa has been handloading them since 1919, when the shells went up 3 cents.

jerkyman45
April 15, 2012, 01:39 AM
thanks for the help guys, i saw something that appeared to be a 5 and it confused the hell out me. turns out the zoom function on an iphone plus a magnifying glass yields a much more 6 like digit then i previously thought. it was that gap that baffled me, and a broken die makes a hell of a lot more sense then a non existent caliber. what a difference a slight misprint can make: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ia02fGpUQfU

drsfmd
April 15, 2012, 03:41 PM
Very clearly an incomplete #6.

gpb
April 15, 2012, 05:38 PM
Definitely a 16 gauge, resulting from nothing more than a broken 6 on the roll die.

However, interestingly one of my reference books "Cartridges of the World 9th Edition" on page 441 states.

"15-Gauge Historic Notes: Winchester's 1877 catalog listed brass shells in this gauge. That was the only year that these were listed. Obviously, the 15-gauge is extremely rare. Examples are found only in the best collections. The 15-gauge would have a bore diameter of 0.677-inch."

Just goes to show that just about everything has been tried at some time.

Manson
April 15, 2012, 06:34 PM
http://www.hinterlandoutfitters.com/gauge-shotguns-c-1316_1423_1586_1600.htmlBy the the way OP add 10 gauge to your list of known shotguns.

jerkyman45
April 16, 2012, 12:38 AM
gpb that is really interesting, one of those really esoteric flash in the pan calibers. manson, im fully aware that the ten gauge exists, i was just commenting on the other gauges that the fox model b was produced in. Though i failed to mention the .410 as it isnt strictly speaking a gauge, rather a bore diameter and i was specifically dealing with a question of gauge. thanks especially to rcmodel, he called the broken die before even seeing the picture which is vastly clearer than looking at the gun itself with the naked eye.

Ron James
April 16, 2012, 01:13 AM
err, folks, I doubt if the OP's gun is chambered in that gauge, but there is a 15 Gauge.

303tom
April 16, 2012, 02:15 PM
That is a broken 6 as in 16 gauge.............

Ole Humpback
April 16, 2012, 07:55 PM
one of those really esoteric flash in the pan calibers.

If you want a really goofy flash in pan bore, look no further than the 13.5 ga blackpower shotgun that Winchester made in the late 1800's. I've seen just one in person and the lady that owned it rolled her own paper cartridges for it. She said it could shoot paper cartridges for anything from 16ga to 10ga. It had twin exposed hammers for a percussion cap system.

Talk about a versatile and completely odd gun.

rcmodel
April 16, 2012, 08:04 PM
And they didn't give up then.

Witness the 14 GA Model 59 of the 1960's.
http://www.rockislandauction.com/viewitem/aid/54/lid/1801

rc

paintballdude902
April 16, 2012, 08:06 PM
looks like 16 to me. but technically you can have a shotgun in any gauge, its just whether or not its a main stream shell size

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