About vertical fore-grips...


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john5036
April 16, 2012, 03:26 PM
Okay, I need some opinions regarding vertical fore-grips.

To answer some questions you might have for me (Thanks, Z):

1. What's the purpose of your AR?
- HD
- Farm gun on weekends

2. What's your thoughts on a VFG?
- I think they are mostly superfluous, but whatever, I don't mind it.
- I already possess an angled FG from Magpul, which I do like very much but have plans to move it onto either a mid-length or rifle-length system in the future.

3. What's your current handguard?
- I currently run an AB Arms carbine handguard. It does have a handstop, sort of, as there is an ergonomic mold to it. It's a different iteration of the Magpul MOE handguards.
- The handguard has the Magpul-style rail slot just underneath/behind the FSB. Would this require the RVG or MVG mounting kit?

Also, the cost of the VFG is not a factor, what I really need information on (not to settle anything) are the pros and cons to a standard sized "broomstick" type, or the "stubby" thumb-break style VFG.

Lastly, I'm not interested in what'll make me more tacticool or strike awe-inspiring fear into those who would gaze upon my AR. My primary passion is to shoot well, and my secondary goal is to complement target acquisition/overall gun handling by taking advantage of the various accessories out there. I really need some utility-minded perspective. Like I said, I love the angled FG, but I feel it's put to better use on a middy/rifle. A VFG would seem to be a minimal, but effective add-on for the carbine.

Thanks everyone!

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Creature
April 16, 2012, 03:53 PM
...I was always under the impression that VFGs were more useful on selective-fire or full-automatic weapons.

Z-Michigan
April 16, 2012, 05:20 PM
I can't even tell what your question is.

The Magpul vertical grips cost around $20 and work great. Buy one, try it, see if you you like it or not. If you don't, resell it for $10-15 and you've lost very little.

john5036
April 16, 2012, 05:34 PM
I can't even tell what your question is.

The Magpul vertical grips cost around $20 and work great. Buy one, try it, see if you you like it or not. If you don't, resell it for $10-15 and you've lost very little.
You did fine, Z, just asking for opinions :-)

mastiffhound
April 16, 2012, 05:54 PM
I was completely against VGs. I have no reason why but one day about a month ago at Cabela's I picked one up. I put it on the sr-556 and low and behold it seems like a different gun. It seems more balanced, hell it is more balanced. It made such a difference I am looking at getting more of them for other firearms. I picked up a CAA VG for 18.99 and it was worth every penny. It fixed the only problem I had with the sr-556, it was always so front heavy. Now it handles the way an AR pattern rifle should. I may have just found a way to explain piston and other types AR look-a-like rifles too! AR pattern does sound right.

SabbathWolf
April 16, 2012, 10:14 PM
Well...I have a vertical grip on 2 of my weapons.

The first one is on a 9mm Beretta Carbine.
I added it because it gave me extra battery storage and a perfect fit for the tape switch of the tac-light. It works great for that.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v648/Swampdragon/8034f6f0.jpg


The second vertical grip is on my milled AK.
For that I installed an Army issue Grip-Pod.
With the press of a button, it instantly becomes a Bi-Pod for prone shooting at longer distances, and also helps a LOT with rapid fire strings in keeping the gun on target.
When the Bi-Pod option is not needed, it just becomes a grip again.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v648/Swampdragon/SLR95.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v648/Swampdragon/SLR954.jpg


Both of my grips serve a very specific purpose for "me," ... but I like dual purpose stuff. I don't really need a grip that does nothing more than just be a grip. I can live without that.

john5036
April 16, 2012, 10:31 PM
Well...I have a vertical grip on 2 of my weapons.

The second vertical grip is on my milled AK.
For that I installed an Army issue Grip-Pod.
With the press of a button, it instantly becomes a Bi-Pod for prone shooting at longer distances, and also helps a LOT with rapid fire strings in keeping the gun on target.
When the Bi-Pod option is not needed, it just becomes a grip again.

Both of my grips serve a very specific purpose for "me," ... but I like dual purpose stuff. I don't really need a grip that does nothing more than just be a grip. I can live without that.
That's an excellently set up AK. Also, your idea of a dual purpose utility has great appeal and is something I'll think about. Thanks!

SabbathWolf
April 16, 2012, 11:15 PM
That's an excellently set up AK. Also, your idea of a dual purpose utility has great appeal and is something I'll think about. Thanks!

You're welcome.
And thanks.
I put a lot of thought into both guns actually.
I wanted my lights to be at the 6 o'clock position because I like it best that way, but still wanted a vertical grip with extra features...AND still have enough room behind both for a "standard" support hand hold as well if I didn't feel like using the vertical grip. It worked out pretty good "finally."
On the AK I can operate the light while holding the vertical grip...or...still use the rail mounted pressure pad as well from the standard hold.

Robert
April 17, 2012, 01:42 AM
My brother loves his VFG but he trianed with one in the Army so it is second nature to him. I hate them and have yet to find one I like, and that includes the AFG. To each his own really.

CraigC
April 17, 2012, 11:48 AM
I thought they were silly.......and then I tried one. Now they're on every rifle I own to which they are appropriate.

john5036
April 17, 2012, 02:00 PM
I thought they were silly.......and then I tried one. Now they're on every rifle I own to which they are appropriate.
Craig, which one(s) did you end up going with?

gotigers
April 17, 2012, 02:43 PM
1. What's the purpose of your AR?
-HD, 3 gun, SRS match, plinking and SHTF

2. What's your thoughts on a VFG?
-I find them useful for carbine. I like them on a carbine or shorter because of ergonomics. As i bring my left hand closer to the reciever, i find that the vertical grip is more comfy and gives me better control of the weapon. Even on my carbines, i tend to grip out as far as i can and mainly use the VFG as a hand stop. However, if i need to bring my arms in i like gripping the VFG.
-For longer ARs, i find VFGs useless. I like a FF tube with top rail only or an A2 forend on longer ARs because i like further out grip with my thumb over the top of the tube and palm on the left side of the tube.

3. What's your current handguard?
- My HBAR has an A2 handguard, no VFG.
- My 18" rifle has a Midwest Industries Gen 1 SS-12, no VFG.
- My carbine has a Midwest Industries Gen 1 SS-12 with a short VFG about 4-5 inches from the receiver.

Also: I like a VFG over a AFG. I tried the AFG, but found the ergonomics not right for me. My wrist felt twisted and it took to much rail space which made thumb over grip more difficult. I also like a short VFG. The longer VFGs seem to get in the way and the extra lenght is unneeded. I like the TD stubbeis, but I have a CAA long VFG, so i cut it down.

my carbine:
http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d68/50_BMG/Guns/SW032012a.jpg

ForumSurfer
April 17, 2012, 03:15 PM
1. What's the purpose of your AR?
- Two uppers, one 22 LR, (both carbine) one for plinking and the other for plinking.
- for taking a (hopefully) near future carbine course :)

2. What's your thoughts on a VFG?
- Great if you're shooting SOOOO much that your forend is too hot to hold. That will likely never happen to me.
- I have the afg2...I prefer the stubby magpul vertical fore grip and using it as a handstop

3. What's your current handguard?
- 223 upper: MI free float quad rail. Useless for me. All that is on there is a sling mounting point, light and a afg2
- 22 upper: magpul carbine handguards with a stubby foregrip mounted rearward to use as a handstop. I love this much more than the more expensive MI setup and I can still have a light, handstop and a sling mount with less weight.

joed
April 17, 2012, 03:35 PM
Been debating putting mine on my AR. When I looked at AR's I had a hard time with the one that came with the porcupine fore end grips. When the salesman handed me one of those I handed it right back and said no thanks. He than explained that with the porcupine grip you use the VFG. I figure the porcupine grips are for those that think they're cool by hanging radios, TVs and furniture off the fore end.

Gtimothy
April 17, 2012, 05:41 PM
I put a grip pod on my AR because I couldn't afford the Harris Bi pod I wanted. I have Magpul furniture on it and the Grip pod is mounted to a Magpul 3" Picatinny rail insert. Eventually I'll get the Harris but for right now, it does what I need it to. I just use my ARs to kill paper!!! :D

john5036
April 17, 2012, 06:05 PM
I put a grip pod on my AR because I couldn't afford the Harris Bi pod I wanted. I have Magpul furniture on it and the Grip pod is mounted to a Magpul 3" Picatinny rail insert. Eventually I'll get the Harris but for right now, it does what I need it to. I just use my ARs to kill paper!!! :D
Which is it, the MVG or the RVG that attached to the MOE HG?

Gtimothy
April 17, 2012, 06:54 PM
Which is it, the MVG or the RVG that attached to the MOE HG?

The MVG bolts directly to the bottom of the Magpul MOE hand guard, but is too short for me. I put one on my wife's AR and she likes it. The RVG mounts to a Picatinny rail. The MOE hand guard doesn't have any Picatinny rails but has slots that you can mount MOE accessory rails (Picatinny rail sections in different lengths) which is what I did to mount my Grip pod.

herkyguy
April 18, 2012, 09:19 AM
Just picked up the newer S&W M&P MOE. One of the changes is the inclusion of the Magpul MVG. I tried it with and without the grip. I must say the grip does make the rifle feel more balanced and easier to hold against the shoulder when switching the safety, ejecting a mag, or just shooting from a standing position. It's small enough that it doesn't get in the way or add any considerable weight.

jon_in_wv
April 18, 2012, 09:26 AM
Recently I upgraded my Saiga (Ak configuration) from its standard foregrip to a SGM tri-rail with a vertical fore grip. It feels much more controllable now. The VFG also works great as a makeshift monopod for shooting off the bench or other support. I'm glad I installed it.

ForumSurfer
April 18, 2012, 09:28 AM
The MVG really shines for those who just want a handstop to pull back against and don't use it as a vertical grip.

Ian
April 18, 2012, 10:12 AM
Tactical WWI vertical front grip! :p

http://www.thehighroad.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=162936&stc=1&d=1334754608

The rifle was fairly comfortable to shoot with that grip. I've tried vertical grips on some AKs, and didn't care for them. I tend to just grab the magazine.

CraigC
April 22, 2012, 03:34 PM
Craig, which one(s) did you end up going with?
I've tried Magpul, Tangodown and Tapco. Prefer the Magpul. Though I wish the clamp was a little better designed.

sleepyone
April 22, 2012, 10:19 PM
that Grip-Pod is EXACTLY what i have been looking for. I have seen some others, but they were cheaply built and loose. This is probably rock solid if the military and LEO use it.

SabbathWolf
April 22, 2012, 10:31 PM
that Grip-Pod is EXACTLY what i have been looking for. I have seen some others, but they were cheaply built and loose. This is probably rock solid if the military and LEO use it.

http://www.grippod.com/


;)

asia331
April 23, 2012, 12:59 AM
VFG's? Current "in fashion" accessory to eventually go the way of the leisure suit. Just my opinion.

Deus Machina
April 23, 2012, 07:05 AM
They have their uses. Even if it just to keep people from causing misfeeds from a loose magazine by grabbing it on a short gun.

In my experience, foregrips=fast, traditional grip=accurate.

Admittedly most of my experience running around with the things is paintball, but smaller 'guns' made of lighter materials really accents what is quick and what is stable.

chagasrod
April 25, 2012, 10:48 PM
https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-PJKdJWdevnY/T5eEQrgtkEI/AAAAAAAAHQ0/AbpSpX8Et0c/s640/20120424_210115.jpg

The Gripod system not only looks cool but it's a bipod as well!

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