Kel Tec PF9


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beeb173
April 16, 2012, 06:03 PM
just shot my new PF9 with parkerized finish. had to pick up the kids so i only had a half hour at the range. had one failure to load out of 50 winchester nato rounds and no problems w/ the winchester PDX 124gr +p. recoil after 70 rounds wasnt too bad even w/ the +p coming at the end. it actually points more naturally for me than my full sized M&P 9. the trigger pull is looooooong but consistant and didnt pull the gun off target like some other less than perfect triggers i've used. as soon as i determine that it's the ammo and not the gun, i'll be using it as my summer carry weapon.

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Walt Sherrill
April 16, 2012, 06:51 PM
If you feel it "wasn't too bad," with +P ammo, you are a real glutton for punishment.

I have a PF9 and like it, but find normal 9mm about all I want to mess with. (I've added KTADDONS' grip materials, and that makes the gun almost civilized.)

A single failure to feed on the first time out could be attributed to many things.

(I much prefer the PF9 to the P11. Kel-Tec is supposedly working on a revised gun that has the PF9 trigger and the P11 frame; more rounds and the PF9's better trigger. I suspect that'll be a while, as K-T seems to have its hands full, right now, with new guns.)

hardluk1
April 16, 2012, 08:19 PM
If you would like better control of the grip get a mess'd up skinny inner tube, you know them racey bicicles. Cut several pieces each wider than the first, 1/2" 1" 1 1/2" and slip then now over each other. Sure does help during break in. Go over to KTOG yet and read up in all the info they have there. And yes it does sound like you love abuse if the pf-9 is not bad to shot.

RBid
April 16, 2012, 08:52 PM
PF-9s are notoriously picky eaters. The consensus seems to be, "feed it USA brass", though I have heard of FTEs with WWB enough to stick with Federal as my range round of choice.

I've put 400 rounds through mine, after getting it 6 weeks ago.

150 Blazer aluminum. Failed to extract about every 15th round.
50 WWB. Flawless, for me.
200 Federal 115 gr FMJ. Zero failures.


I had a Limbsaver on it for 100ish rounds, but I took it off. I shoot better 1-handed without the sleeve, and this is my CCW/EDC. If you're carrying this gun, look to maximize your results from point blank, to about 20 feet.

TxBobS
April 16, 2012, 09:17 PM
I think KT recommends no +P in it.

MachIVshooter
April 16, 2012, 09:33 PM
I think KT recommends no +P in it

Nope, they're GTG with +P. Just not meant for a steady diet of it.

I've fed mine pretty much everything imaginable, and the only issues I had were with my handloaded 147 gr. +P stuff. They were just too much, causing the firing pin to wipe brass off the primer. The failures were caused by chunks of brass stuck in the FP hole.

That particular 147 gr. load was clocking 1,190 FPS in my Baby Eagle fullsize. It's warm.

beeb173
April 16, 2012, 09:56 PM
Come to think of it, my right hand is a little numb, lol. I just meant compared to a .357 light weight revolver. It's no pleasure to shoot, that's for sure.

Also I added the belt clip...REALLY glad I bought that instead of an IWB holster. My iPhone is more of a pain to carry now than my PDW. Makes me smile!

MCgunner
April 16, 2012, 10:28 PM
I've got a Hogue Handall grip sleeve on my P11, was less than 10 bucks. I like it better that way.

http://i50.tinypic.com/2rqlm34.jpg

NMGonzo
April 16, 2012, 11:44 PM
not a glutton for punishment but a tight gripper

beeb173
April 25, 2012, 03:43 PM
just got back from another day at the range w/ my PF9. i shot 50 rounds of remington express fmj and 50 rounds of remington express jhp both 115 grain. i had 2 FTE. ugh! i shot my 8 rounds of critical duty w/o problems. i know smaller guns run on 'premium' but isn't remington express the bottom end of quality ammo? it seems considerably shorter than the hornady and winchester rounds. i REALLY want his gun to be reliable because, for me, it is the PERFECT carry gun. back to the M&P until i figure this out.

psyshack
April 25, 2012, 09:10 PM
My PF-9 runs everything perfect. No hand pain at all.

wickedsprint
April 25, 2012, 09:26 PM
I've only got around ~150 rds through mine(20+P) but no issues thus far. It did shake the belt clip loose though.

shep854
April 25, 2012, 10:18 PM
I'm good for about 50rd per session with my PF9. For me, it's almost too small for my hand; I have to pay particular attention to my grip (and practice frequently) or it will have problems.
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Walt, we K-T owners have been begging for that upgrade to the P11 for years! Hope it comes soon.

beeb173
April 27, 2012, 04:08 PM
Another day at the range w/ 50 Winchester 124gr NATO white box and 25 rounds of critical duty regulars. 3 more FTE including one w/ the hornady. This is getting frustrating. At what point do I stop trying to break this gun in and send it back? It's got about 300 + rounds through it.

momano
April 27, 2012, 04:13 PM
http://www.thektog.org/forum/

Go here for advice and insight, my friend.

shep854
April 27, 2012, 07:16 PM
Beeb173, how big is your hand? If it's large, the problem may just be that the pistol is too small for you, and even with your tightest grip might wiggle enough to have function problems. My hands are average, running to large, and I have to clamp down HARD to keep the Little Blaster from squirming under recoil.
Just a thought.

beeb173
April 27, 2012, 08:03 PM
my hands are average size.

i did read a post on http://www.thektog.org/forum/showthread.php?t=235865 saying that its possible im not letting the trigger fully reset. it makes sense due to the long trigger pull. as soon as my hand feels up to another round at the range ill be more aware of my trigger release.
thanks momano!

MedWheeler
April 28, 2012, 12:07 PM
beeb173, you are cleaning it between sessions, right? Some of the ammo choices run kind of dirty, and Federal is reportedly one of them (Remington-UMC is what I run, and that stuff is pretty dirty, too.) At each cleaning, make sure you oil the slide rails, too. That simple measure alone cleared up quite a few failures on both of my Kel-Tec weapons (PF9 and P32.)

Rule3
April 28, 2012, 12:20 PM
Don't waste any more time, money and ammo. Call KT and they will send you a call tag. Send it back to them. It's the KT way.:rolleyes:

Their CS is very good.

Document any and all ammo used and how many failures and what it did not just jammed, spell it out fail to eject or extract, stovepipe etc.

Been there, done that and stayed in a Holiday Inn Express.

beeb173
May 2, 2012, 02:49 PM
Sending it in. The gun was firing flawlessly then just seized up. Never even heard of that happening. If it wasn't my fourth mag I would say maybe I reassembled it wrong. I have the Davison replacement warranty but I'm sending this to KelTec. I'd rather have factory refurbished in this case.
Started recarrying my M&P....what a brick. Hoping KelTec customer support lives up to its reputation.

Defense Minister
May 3, 2012, 01:16 AM
Sorry to hear you're having such trouble. I've got 600 rounds through my PF-9, including 100 of my +P carry ammo, and I trust it completely. Practice ammo has been Federal and Remington UMC, and carry ammo is DoubleTap's 124gr. loading with the Speer GDHP. Too bad they quit producing that load.

One particular day, when I was a glutten for punishment, the extractor spring screw worked loose after about 150 rounds. After tightening the screw, and the addition of some blue Loctite, it was perfect again. Now I check the screw after each range session, and no problems since.

I will say that the addition of a Hogue Handall Jr. grip sleeve, after trimming a bit with scissors, has helped my shooting tremendously, as has the addition of the factory +1 magazine extension. Those two accessories make the PF-9 into a whole new gun, and prompted me to sell my M&P40 Compact because I found I never carried it any more.

I wish you well with you new pistol.

wickedsprint
May 3, 2012, 07:52 AM
I did like the feel of the mag extension, but noticed during practice drills my pinky would go over it unless I went really slow. Went back to normal mag.

HKGuns
May 3, 2012, 11:03 AM
Sorry folks, the muzzle flip on these things is nothing short of astronomical with normal 9mm. +P would make it even less tolerable.

Walt Sherrill
May 3, 2012, 11:18 AM
I've never noticed the muzzle flip being all that bad, but have felt that the recoil was more unpleasant than I cared for. That's what caused me to use the KTADDONS grip material. It made a big difference.

(Muzzle flip is sometimes a "technique issue," and sometimes something that can be reduced by getting the baseplate that has a finger extention, giving your hand a better area to grasp.)

jrdolall
May 3, 2012, 12:05 PM
I don't have a problem with the recoil of the PF-9. That may be because I can only get off 3-4 rounds before I have a light strike and have to clear the gun. I bought it used, always a bad thing for me and a handgun, but the last time I counted I had 15 light strikes out of one box of Blazers! Put the round back in the mag and it fired every time.

Does this sound like a spring, firing pin, dunce of a shooter? Three different types of ammo, WWB, Blazer and Federal JHP with similar results. Crappy photo with a cell phone that wanted to focus on my thumb.

wild cat mccane
May 3, 2012, 01:17 PM
Man, I have owned a crap ton of hand guns. Care to elaborate on a 9mm that you feel has MORE severe flip and harsher recoil? "recoil is subjective"-sure, but no. I still want to hear one that has more subjective recoil than the PF-9. :)


What was that about the P-11 coming out with a PF-9 trigger? I didn't see that on KTOG and am super interested to hear if the rumor has validity.

Walt Sherrill
May 3, 2012, 01:48 PM
What was that about the P-11 coming out with a PF-9 trigger? I didn't see that on KTOG and am super interested to hear if the rumor has validity.

That was what I was told, last year, when I talked with Kel-Tec about something else.

The person I talked with said THAT was in the works, but could make no projections about WHEN it might be available. Given that they've introduced a PMR-30 that has problems but is greatly in demand, and a new shotgun, I won't be expecting anything in the next year...

I had a P-11, which I thought was a good gun, but I could never really adjust to the trigger. I have a PF-9 which I like. A P11 with the PF9 trigger -- a PF11 -- would be a good alternative.

wild cat mccane
May 3, 2012, 02:09 PM
would make the old p11 obsolete. Anyone would be willing to take a 7lb trigger and a physical hammer block over the 9lb+ trigger and no physical trigger block with restrike any day I would think.

beeb173
May 3, 2012, 07:54 PM
make sure you're letting the trigger all the way out. apparently, per KelTec that is a common reason for light strikes.

MCgunner
May 3, 2012, 09:07 PM
would make the old p11 obsolete. Anyone would be willing to take a 7lb trigger and a physical hammer block over the 9lb+ trigger and no physical trigger block with restrike any day I would think.

Not me, not for pocket carry. I prefer the P11 as is with its. Love the LONG travel trigger for safe carry in a soft pocket holster. I shoot it very well. All it takes is practice. You DO practice, don't ya?

cl4de6
May 3, 2012, 09:12 PM
I will admit that my $175 PF-9 conceals up to nothing and hasn't failed through 200 rounds. I've fired it four times (50 rounds each) and have yet to clean it, but the darn thing keeps running. I think I'll shoot the thing until the inside is coated with sludge and see when I finally get a failure.

This little gun has given my $500 PX4 Compact a run for the money. I've gotten more failures to feed in my PX4 than I have with any other gun. But this little Kel Tec just keeps running.

HOWEVER, shooting my Kel Tec is like trying to catch a baseball without a glove and the groups are minute-of-pie-plate at 3 yards. That being said, I find myself carrying my Kel Tec when I'm in PA, and not my PX4. There is something to be said for this gun.

LawScholar
May 3, 2012, 09:15 PM
Send your PX4 to Beretta. Mine is somewhere between 3,000 and 4,000 flawless, and all owners I have talked to have experienced similarly Glock (before Gen 4) reliability.

Shouldn't be that way! :)

TennJed
May 3, 2012, 10:33 PM
would make the old p11 obsolete. Anyone would be willing to take a 7lb trigger and a physical hammer block over the 9lb+ trigger and no physical trigger block with restrike any day I would think.
Had a PF9 and loved it, then got a P11 and realized what true love is. Sold my PF9 and will never look back. Slightly wider grip fits better in my hand. A 12 round capacity that has no competitors in size and weight. Adder the trigger shoe and the trigger is long but nice. Hammer block not an issue for me. Also no malfunctions.

Last but not least, I am more accurrate with the P11

Kiln
May 3, 2012, 10:43 PM
Any P11 owners should also try the magazine base grip extension. It makes the gun much more comfortable.

I didn't enjoy my P40 before I added one but love it now.

Walt Sherrill
May 4, 2012, 08:09 AM
Had a PF9 and loved it, then got a P11 and realized what true love is. Sold my PF9 and will never look back. Slightly wider grip fits better in my hand. A 12 round capacity that has no competitors in size and weight. Adder the trigger shoe and the trigger is long but nice. Hammer block not an issue for me. Also no malfunctions.

You can also get S&W mags, and a small plastic insert that fits on the base, and have 15 rounds.

My experience with the P11:

I liked mine. Carried it for a while. But I shoot other guns. I was in a pretty active IDPA club back then, and decided to try it out. On the first string of the first stage, I couldn't hit the broad side of the barn. It took several shots before I got it right. Thereafter I did quite well with it. The trigger was so different from what I was used to, that it took me a while to adjust.

I got to thinking that had I been carrying that gun and had been forced to use it in a self-defense situation, the results would likely have been similar -- except it wouldn't be a game where the other guy was a clicking clock. If you shoot the P11 a lot --i.e., it's the gun you shoot the most -- I doubt this would be a problem. But shot irregularly, and under stress, it might be an issue. The next time you take your P11 to the range, see how you do with your first 3-4 shots. If you hit where you expect, no problem...

I sold the P11 and started trying out other smaller guns. I've had a bunch. I like the PF9, and the PF9 trigger is enough like my other guns, that it's not a problem. First shots, even after a long period of non-use, don't give me a problem.

A P11 with the PF9 trigger would be a "sure buy" for me.

shep854
May 4, 2012, 08:34 AM
Preach it, Brother Walt!!!

wild cat mccane
May 4, 2012, 01:16 PM
exactly. Safety of trigger goes two ways. Needs to heavy enough to be safe, but too heavy and the first shot (even at a range) isn't going where it is intended. Dangerous.

MCgunner
May 4, 2012, 07:43 PM
exactly. Safety of trigger goes two ways. Needs to heavy enough to be safe, but too heavy and the first shot (even at a range) isn't going where it is intended. Dangerous.

I find no problem picking up my P11 after firing DA with revolvers or such OR even shooting my Ruger Mk2. I have not had this first shot problem with the P11. I've had to use mine while being attacked by a dog, once, the adrenalin made that trigger feel like a target trigger on a S&W M41. When I actually HAD to use it, that DAO was a good thing and I made the hit at about 20 feet.

I have put in excess of 11,000 rounds through my P11 since I bought it in 1996. I quit trying to count a few years back because my practice became more irratic. You might say I am practiced with the gun, though.

I finally had a part break this year shooting on an indoor range. The extractor snapped in half at the pin. I called KT and they sent an extractor from the new gen guns. I didn't realize there was a first and second gen. They dug up a part and sent me the right one pretty quickly, though. It's running fine, again, now. It puts 5 rounds into 3.5" off the bench at 25 yards with a variety of loads, not very load picky as far as accuracy. That's pretty much service pistol accuracy, power, and firepower in a pocket. I have had no desire for another carry since I got the thing, though I do have other options. I can't make myself get interested in a LCP or other .380 considering how easy it is to pocket carry the P11. The PF9 is that much easier being a little slimmer. Sure, the P11 with its wider grip is easier on the hand in recoil. I do have one mag with the finger extension and I have a Hogue handall on the gun. BUT, the PF9 is a slight bit thinner if you need that. I like the PF9 and, frankly, if it'd been available when I got my P11, I probably would have chosen it. It has 2 rounds less capacity than my 10 round mags, so it gives up very little. I've fired one, it ain't no Smith and Wesson M340 with 180 Buffalo Bore, was quite manageable.

the count
May 5, 2012, 04:54 PM
Been there done that, have the T-shirt. Had the PF9 for maybe a week and sold it. I would not say my fingers are like fat sausages, but they are not slim like those of a violinist either. Just could not get used to only being able to get the tip of my index finger on the trigger and then that e_n_o_r_m_o_u_s pull. Just not natural.

If i really need to carry a pocket pistol I take a Polish P64 in 9x18 which you can get in like new condition for under $200. Big trigger guard and all steel construction. Tons better that the PF9.

MCgunner
May 5, 2012, 05:33 PM
If i really need to carry a pocket pistol I take a Polish P64 in 9x18 which you can get in like new condition for under $200. Big trigger guard and all steel construction. Tons better that the PF9.

Have one of THOSE, too. You'll need a spring kit from Wolff. If you think the DA on a P11 or PF9 is rough...ROFL. It's shootable in DA with the lighter Wolff hammer spring in it. I couldn't hit squat with it in DA before that. The transition from DA to SA is my main gripe with the P64, double tap whether you want to or not, SA is so light. Accurate little toot, which is a good thing since it's slightly more umph than a .380 and you have 7 rounds to get it done. It's slimmer than my P11, but quite a bit heavier in my pocket. Funny thing, too, if you don't like recoil, don't ask me why, but the lighter, more powerful P11 is more pleasant to shoot. Guess it's the blow back vs locked breach thing. I put Marschal grips on mine and now I don't need a shooting glove to keep it from hurting me.

All in all, the P64 stays at home most times and the P11 does pocket duties. I like the P64, just don't carry it much. I WON'T sell it, so don't ask. :D

http://i44.tinypic.com/25tl36r.jpg

Kiln
May 5, 2012, 09:40 PM
I have a KT P40 and a Polish P64. Honestly despite the larger round and polymer construction, I find the KT more pleasant to shoot.

MachIVshooter
May 5, 2012, 10:14 PM
I had 15 light strikes out of one box of Blazers! Put the round back in the mag and it fired every time.

Does this sound like a spring, firing pin, dunce of a shooter?

Remove the firing pin, then clean it and clean the channel. The FP is very lightweight in the PF9, so a little semi-dry goo in there will slow it down considerably. I took mine out the day I bought in in 2* weather and ahdn't yet cleaned the FP channel. Had 5 or 6 light strikes out of the box. Took it home, detail cleaned, nary a problem since.

And make sure you're trigger is resetting fully.

INMY01TA
May 6, 2012, 12:23 AM
Mine eats anything, including Blazer aluminum. Wearing some fingerless gym gloves I can shoot it all day.

beeb173
July 12, 2012, 03:12 PM
got my pf9 back from the factory after @ 6 weeks. they replaced the slide and barrel and polished everything. one failure in the first magazine that may have been due to a loose grip. after i tightened my grip there were no more failures. sad to say but i rented a glock 26 that day (always disliked glocks but i shoot them well and they are ultra reliable) and bought it. i'll be keeping the pf9 because it's soooo easy to carry but the glock is now my preferred carry piece.

Walt Sherrill
July 12, 2012, 07:22 PM
You've got two good options, now.

I like Glocks, but find their sub-compacts just too boxy for my taste. If they built a sub-compact single stack (like the Glock 36), I might be enticed to retire my PF-9. A Kahr PM9 is a good alternative, too.

Patocazador
July 12, 2012, 09:07 PM
I've only got around ~150 rds through mine(20+P) but no issues thus far. It did shake the belt clip loose though.
I didn't get the factory belt clip. I got one from Midway that came with a 3M adhesive rubber strip that "glues" on the side. (I wanted the clip on the left side for behind the back carry for a right-hander.) I KNEW that this glued on rubberstrip with a skinny clip couldn't possibly work.
It's been on for 3 years now and shows no sign of coming loose. I bought 2 other clips and put them on other "pocket pistols". They are great.

wickedsprint
July 12, 2012, 10:52 PM
Shoot that might be better than the screw on. Mine came loose during a 100 rd session.

beeb173
July 13, 2012, 09:25 AM
my clip comes loose too. lock tight would solve it im sure.

gatorjames85
July 13, 2012, 11:50 AM
HOWEVER, shooting my Kel Tec is like trying to catch a baseball without a glove

I'm always reminded of the "noisy cricket" from Men in Black when I shoot my PF-9. No problem with accuracy at self-defense ranges though.

MICHAEL T
July 13, 2012, 03:59 PM
My PF-9 has shot every brand I tried +P is fine if you like pain I find it accurate and relieable like my other KelTecs.

Dreamliner787
July 13, 2012, 04:20 PM
I'd never buy anything from Kel Tec again and not sure why there are so many "good" reviews on the PF9, IMO it's a POS and for that type of pistol just spend another $50-75 and get a Ruger.

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