Need help identifying brass frame revolver.


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Skinny 1950
April 18, 2012, 11:14 PM
I just got this revolver in the mail..the seller said it was in shooting condition but the hand spring is broken so the cylinder doesn't advance when the hammer is cocked. I don't know who made this gun as there is no makers markings...I need to know who made it in order to buy a new hand and spring for it. Any input appreciated.
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BHP FAN
April 18, 2012, 11:17 PM
red ''X'', for me....

Hammerdown77
April 19, 2012, 12:22 AM
It's a Colt 1851 pattern, looks like, so a hand/spring for a '51/'61 Navy or '60 Army will work.

http://www.dixiegunworks.com/product_info.php?cPath=22_434_435_440&products_id=1097

Hellgate
April 19, 2012, 02:01 AM
Look under the rammer on the barrel for a manfacturer's mark. It looks like a Uberti, ASP, or an ASM from the grip shape. It was made in 1965. The barrel is mis marked as it is an 1851 navy not an 1861 which has a round barrel like the 1860 Army.

Smokin'Joe
April 19, 2012, 08:36 AM
With a little work you should be able to reuse your original hand and avoid the need to determine the gun maker. See post #17 of this thread.

http://thefiringline.com/forums/showthread.php?p=4903516#post4903516

Rogue Coder
April 19, 2012, 09:51 AM
I don't even know if it IS a Navy. The Navy revolver had a Navy scene engraved on the cylinder. This gun does not have it. Of course the former owner could have replaced it, but that's something I've noticed guys.

My 2 pennies....

SlamFire1
April 19, 2012, 10:57 AM
There were so many "variations" of replica revolvers made, don't expect it to be authentic to any original.

Based on what I remember of the ads of yore, brass framed pistols were typically labled "Confederate". So your pistol was probably sold as a "Confederate Navy Pistol".

I don't know if the Confederate Navy had enough ships to even have standard issue arms.

Obviously it is Italian.

Looks very close to the Navy Arms “Gunnison” revolver I bought back in the 70’s, with the exception that the Griswold and Gunnison had a round barrel.

Just looked on the Navy Arms page, can’t find a parts section. You should be able to find all the internal parts you need if you just look.

Jim Watson
April 19, 2012, 11:05 AM
It is certainly Italian made, the proof marks are distinctive.
It is certainly NOT a "New Navy Model 1861" or reproduction of same.

As said there were a zillion Italian not-quite-reproductions of kind'a sort'a Colt Navy models by Uberti and other makers.

If there is a maker's mark under the rammer, great.
If not, I'd call VTI and ask them what to do.
A Uberti hand and spring set is $17, a Pietta is $8.
http://www.vtigunparts.com/store/shopcontent.asp?type=home

Smokin'Joe
April 19, 2012, 11:24 AM
Remember, even if you purchase a hand for the correct gun it will still require hand fitting. I find it far easier to fabricate a spring from available materials. A modified ball-point pen spring is my favorite. These springs are easily available, durable and the lightened spring pressure gives the feeling of real quality.

junkman_01
April 19, 2012, 01:39 PM
It is the CALIBER (.36) that determines if the revolver is a Navy, not the scene rolled onto the cylinder!

mykeal
April 19, 2012, 03:08 PM
The Navy revolver had a Navy scene engraved on the cylinder.
That's not correct. junkman_01 has it right.

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