Secret Service to interview Ted Nugent - NRA speech


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rajb123
April 19, 2012, 08:50 AM
http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2012/04/18/ted-nugent-to-be-interviewed-by-secret-service/?hpt=hp_t2

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MtnCreek
April 19, 2012, 08:55 AM
As they should. Passion and emotion are not the same thing and it looks like Ted let emotion take control of him during that statement. Probably a good lesson for all of us in that letting our emotions control an argument only detracts from what we’re trying to accomplish.

WNC Seabee
April 19, 2012, 08:57 AM
Ted Nugent is now and has always been a bit of an arse. He is the Al Sharpton of rednecks; nothing more than a blowhard.

Ranger30-06
April 19, 2012, 09:04 AM
As obnoxious as he is, we really can't let him just hit the ground. If he goes down, the NRA and gun owners in general are going to suffer a huge wave of blows from the Liberal media and the Left.


No matter how much you dislike him, you don't leave a soldier from your team behind...

JustinJ
April 19, 2012, 09:08 AM
The NRA should immediately remove him from their board of directors. The man does nothing but add to negative stereotypes against gun people and hunters. He's nothing but an inbred hillbilly who says whatever he can to try and remain revlevant.

jrdolall
April 19, 2012, 09:09 AM
The Secret Service will investigate, as they should, any perceived threat to POTUS. They will find that there is no threat from the NUGE and move on.

I for one happen to agree with his message but agree that he could have gotten the message across in a bit more subtle manner. I don't advocate PC but I also understand that there are many ways to get a message across. I would say that there are many ways to skin a cat but that would probably offend cat lovers.

Paris
April 19, 2012, 09:12 AM
As obnoxious as he is, we really can't let him just hit the ground. If he goes down, the NRA and gun owners in general are going to suffer a huge wave of blows from the Liberal media and the Left.


Yes we can, we should distance ourselves from radicals and the statement he has recently made IS radical. If you want to go down with him, be my guest, the gun community at large should shun him based on his statements unless he redacts them immediately.

rajb123
April 19, 2012, 09:13 AM
I suppose the Secret Service is a shinnig example of an organization who routinely demostrates prudent and sensable actions and holds its self to very high standards.

Ranger30-06
April 19, 2012, 09:18 AM
Yes we can, we should distance ourselves from radicals and the statement he has recently made IS radical. If you want to go down with him, be my guest, the gun community at large should shun him based on his statements unless he redacts them immediately.
Hmm, I guess we should have left the Founding Fathers out to dry with their radical ideas of a free world...

Don't get me wrong. I am in no way saying it's alright to talk about killing the POTUS, but calling someone radical is largely subjective.


The Revolutionary war was fought on a radical idea
The Civil war was fought on a radical idea (AND IT WASN'T SLAVERY!)
The World Wars were fought over radical ideas (Communism, Facism, and short people that wanted to take over the world)

WNC Seabee
April 19, 2012, 09:18 AM
Yes we can, we should distance ourselves from radicals and the statement he has recently made IS radical. If you want to go down with him, be my guest, the gun community at large should shun him based on his statements unless he redacts them immediately.

This.

UnclesNucleus
April 19, 2012, 09:19 AM
You all know he is a draft dodger. Makes me sick he calls him self a "warrior". If he wants we can give him ptsd

Paris
April 19, 2012, 09:19 AM
Hmm, I guess we should have left the Founding Fathers out to dry with their radical ideas of a free world...

Don't get me wrong. I am in no way saying it's alright to talk about killing the POTUS, but calling someone radical is largely subjective.


The Revolutionary war was fought on a radical idea
The Civil war was fought on a radical idea (AND IT WASN'T SLAVERY!)
The World Wars were fought over radical ideas (Communism, Facism, and short people that wanted to take over the world)

Is your expectation that this post be taken seriously?

In the year 2012, speaking about killing the POTUS IS radical. Stop trying to dilute the issue.

theicemanmpls
April 19, 2012, 09:25 AM
Remove him from the NRA board of directors. I hope the Secret Service jails him.

Making a veiled threat to the office of POTUS is not only stupid, its illegal. I don't care who is sitting in the chair.

As a disabled Vet, I have zero respect for Nugent. Nugent feigned mental illness to avoid military service. Myself, and others either volunteered, or took the oath when drafted. Some didn't come back, or came back broken.

Personally, I could not understand why the NRA had embraced him. I wrote the NRA asking they remove him from the board for conduct unbecoming.

Threating others with firearms will get one removed from THR website. Why this ass-hat is beloved by conservatives, and hunters is beyond my level of comprehension.

Put him in jail.

berettaprofessor
April 19, 2012, 09:27 AM
I take Ranger seriously and he's not diluting the issue. Lumping the threat with all radicals is not a reason to attack radicals. On the other side, you think Patrick Henry or George W. didn't occasionally wish the King would appear in their sights?

besides which, from the quotes I've read, Nuge never directly threatened the President....any inferences drawn are just that...interpretations by biased individuals.

Ryanxia
April 19, 2012, 09:28 AM
While I don't think that was a very smart thing to say it's certainly nothing worth gossiping about.

Ranger30-06
April 19, 2012, 09:28 AM
Is your expectation that this post be taken seriously?

In the year 2012, speaking about killing the POTUS IS radical. Stop trying to dilute the issue.
I'm just pointing out that if it wasn't for radical people/ideas, the world would be a very different place.


Now to redeem myself here because it seems I'm not being taken the right way, I don't like Nugent, I don't think he should be on the NRA board, and I think he does more harm than good. The only thing is the second he disappears from the NRA board, the media is going to have a field day. That's it!

Steel Horse Rider
April 19, 2012, 09:28 AM
Louis Farrakhan has threatened the safety of the President several times if he doesn't "take care of his race" but I guess he isn't a threat. I think I may be too radical for this group from the comments posted so far. THe name of this organization probably should be changed to the PCRoad.

CharlieDeltaJuliet
April 19, 2012, 09:34 AM
I agree with Paris' statement. While I do find "Uncle Ted" entertaining, he is a bit of a radical. We cant fight radicals with radicals.

Paris
April 19, 2012, 09:36 AM
Louis Farrakhan has threatened the safety of the President several times if he doesn't "take care of his race" but I guess he isn't a threat. I think I may be too radical for this group from the comments posted so far. THe name of this organization probably should be changed to the PCRoad.

Elaborate. I hope I am misunderstanding you and that you aren't being politics into an issue which clearly is not about that.

Paris
April 19, 2012, 09:38 AM
Making a veiled threat to the office of POTUS is not only stupid, its illegal. I don't care who is sitting in the chair.

This post sums up the issue wonderfully. I agree 100%.

Paris
April 19, 2012, 09:41 AM
I'm just pointing out that if it wasn't for radical people/ideas, the world would be a very different place.


Now to redeem myself here because it seems I'm not being taken the right way, I don't like Nugent, I don't think he should be on the NRA board, and I think he does more harm than good. The only thing is the second he disappears from the NRA board, the media is going to have a field day. That's it!

I see where you're coming from, I just don't think it's a comparison which has relevance here. The founding fathers had soldiers living in their homes, times were different then and from the King's point of view, they were radicals, yes.

ApacheCoTodd
April 19, 2012, 09:41 AM
It Is the veryfirst thing I thought when I read the quotes. Sometimes you find your friends needing to be a little less... them.

kb58
April 19, 2012, 09:46 AM
Some people confuse free spech and the responsibility for what's said. Yeah, you can say whatever you like, but expect to be held accountable for it.

kb58
April 19, 2012, 09:55 AM
...Personally, I could not understand why the NRA had embraced him...
The NRA thinks that any positive statements about firearms instantly labels that person as a great spokesman for them. That's a very shallow qualification... It's similar to Romney saying a few complementry words about firearms, and instantly the NRA is bowing at his feet.

It's the character of the speaker, not just their words.

B_Li_Ber_Tar_Ian
April 19, 2012, 09:57 AM
I didn't equate what Ted said as a death threat, even a veiled one. Maybe his delivery is bad but I took him as saying he, or anyone, with a contrary view to the administration will either be dead or in jail. Very 1984ish.

browningguy
April 19, 2012, 10:06 AM
No matter how much you dislike him, you don't leave a soldier from your team behind...

Not true, he isn't on my team as I think that advocating murder is just wrong. Now other people can take what he said any way they want, but that's the way I read it.

jmr40
April 19, 2012, 10:07 AM
Nugents pediction may come true sooner than he thought.

19-3Ben
April 19, 2012, 10:07 AM
Here's the thing. I don't think Nuge is that radical in his stance on 2A issues. I DO think he's a ranting raving nutjob who gives gun owners a bad name. I think that we really need to distinguish between radical ideology and just being a lunatic. He falls into the category of the latter.


The only thing is the second he disappears from the NRA board, the media is going to have a field day. That's it!

Why? What, exactly, does the mighty Nuge do that keeps the anti-gun media at bay?
He feeds their fire. I think that the second he disappears is the second that they lose the ability to point to him and say "You see that misogynist, draft-dodging, lunatic over there making all that noise? He represents gun owners. That's what a gun owner looks like, and how they think."

I think we'd be better off without him, although I won't go so far as to say that if he is still on the NRA board a year from now, I will either be dead or in jail.

THe name of this organization probably should be changed to the PCRoad.

There is a difference between political correctness, and discretion. We, as gun owners need to be a positive example.

Salty1
April 19, 2012, 10:35 AM
Just another distraction by the left to take the focus off of Obie's lack of vision and moving the country forward. Obie's on the job training has been a disaster for this country and the left cannot run on his record so the distractions will come more often as the election nears to take peoples focus off of the real issues facing us...

DammitBoy
April 19, 2012, 10:36 AM
Nonsense. Nugent is a big mouthed jerk, but he in no way threatened the President.

rajb123
April 19, 2012, 10:44 AM
Is it hypocritical for the Secret Service to now investigate Ted? ..the timing seems very political to me. In addition, the Secret Service has lost a huge amount of credibility from the hooker scandle in Columbia South America that is ongoing.

Who has done more damage and has put the POTUS at more risk; TED or the SS?

Jeremiah10:23
April 19, 2012, 10:45 AM
Nugent feigned mental illness to avoid military service

If he did that before (I had not heard that) he will likely use it again.

Skyshot
April 19, 2012, 10:46 AM
Non-issue

CoRoMo
April 19, 2012, 11:43 AM
He won't go to jail. There's no crime to charge.

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I like Ted... obviously. :rolleyes: I agree with what he said 100%. I can't recall ever hearing him say something that I didn't agree with.

He is a Patriot beyond measure.

That statement will be laughed at, but history will continue to bear it out. Most all of those laughing can't hold a candle to his selfless accomplishments for liberty, freedom, veterans, and the 2A. The laugh-ers simply can't do that. And they can't undo all the good that he's done for veterans, liberty, the 2A, etc. He's done more good than they can bring themselves to accept.

He dodged the uniform, but he's been a servant to those wearing it ever since.

He continues to spend more of his own money for our troops and the 2A than I'll ever have in my lifetime. I wish I could have made such an impact in the lives of wounded soldiers.

Talk -and typing- is cheap. Ted has actually done more good than many of us, all together, could dream to accomplish. It is very hard evidence to ignore. But I won't put it past many of you to ignore it anyway. I can relate to that level of stubbornness.

I have no paltry, emotional reason for saying this; I simply can't deny the truth, the evidence before us all.

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Now, today the media has an alternative to Hilary Rosen's remarks. Surprise. Like meat for dogs.

He could have said it 'softer', but it wouldn't have had the impact that it did. That was his intent. I applaud it.

Those who actually think he was making a threat, veiled or not, simply do not understand the statements he made. I don't understand this incomprehension.

It's pretty simple... in November (<-context)... we need to put an end to the enemies of our freedom and liberty. That's what he said. That's what I say.

He won't go to jail. There's no crime to charge.

:)

Something that might be worth listening to... from the horse's mouth (http://www.glennbeck.com/2012/04/18/who-cancelled-nugent-and-disrespected-fallen-seals-dying-wish-for-him-to-play-at-his-funeral/).

And something somewhat tangential...
Ted Nugent speaking
A Navy SEAL Chris Campbell, who gave his life for freedom and the U.S. Constitution, had in his will that he wanted me to perform at his funeral if he died in action. I found that from my friend Marcus Lutrell and other SEALs that I get to train with and spend time with. I immediately open my schedule up for the memorial. I got friends with planes because I was in the middle of some busy stuff. I was ready to board the plane next day to go and perform, and share the love for Chris Campbell and his family, and my office got a call from someone high up in the military letting me that somebody very high up did not want me to be in the same area that day. So I was uninvited in defiance of a dead Navy SEALs personal request.

CharlieDeltaJuliet
April 19, 2012, 12:11 PM
Rajb123 is right though the timing is impeccable it happens. Happened to Neil Bush too over the S&L scandal. Politicians and their parties will target this, but both sides have done it for a long time. Ted just was mouthing off, he does not represent me or my views.

Jeff H
April 19, 2012, 12:16 PM
The NRA should immediately remove him from their board of directors.

Holy cow! We let that loose cannon on the BoD? Who thought that was a bright idea?

X-Rap
April 19, 2012, 12:21 PM
If I had a choice of neighbors and they were the President or Ted I would take Ted in a heartbeat. No question at all.

Paris
April 19, 2012, 12:22 PM
Talk -and typing- is cheap. Ted has actually done more good than many of us, all together, could dream to accomplish. It is very hard evidence to ignore. But I won't put it past many of you to ignore it anyway. I can relate to that level of stubbornness.

I have no paltry, emotional reason for saying this; I simply can't deny the truth, the evidence before us all.

This is the definition of corruption. You did something for me, so I'm going to look the other way when you step out of line.

Bubba613
April 19, 2012, 12:25 PM
Ted Nugent is a moron. But he's our moron.

Husker_Fan
April 19, 2012, 12:27 PM
Bubba, my family has a cousin like that :)

Husker_Fan
April 19, 2012, 12:30 PM
Nugent is an entertainer who needs to keep his name in the press in order to keep making money. The NRA needs some controversy to wrangle in more donations. I don't think they'll part ways over this.

On a lighter note, Nugent is a rock star, and apparently the Secret Service like to party like rock stars. Maybe it's just a meeting to compare notes on how to do things up right.

Furncliff
April 19, 2012, 12:30 PM
Moron's don't make good representatives of the shooting community. That nut job will only alienate, and make all of us appear to be moronic as well.

Nugent is the village idiot of the shooting community. We may chose to look past some idiocy, but those outside our community look at that kind of behavior and those words and just think ..."***, are they all like that?"

barstoolguru
April 19, 2012, 12:40 PM
This is what happens when a rocker/celebrity tries to play politician. The media is going to play ball with this one

ApacheCoTodd
April 19, 2012, 12:43 PM
""Quote:
Ted Nugent speaking
A Navy SEAL Chris Campbell, who gave his life for freedom and the U.S. Constitution, had in his will that he wanted me to perform at his funeral if he died in action. I found that from my friend Marcus Lutrell and other SEALs that I get to train with and spend time with. I immediately open my schedule up for the memorial. I got friends with planes because I was in the middle of some busy stuff. I was ready to board the plane next day to go and perform, and share the love for Chris Campbell and his family, and my office got a call from someone high up in the military letting me that somebody very high up did not want me to be in the same area that day. So I was uninvited in defiance of a dead Navy SEALs personal request.""


I dunno... I'm him, I'm all set to perform for this dead sailor's memorial and I'm going to let "someone high up" and "somebody very high up" dissuade me?

Tossin' the flag on that one. Since when is he afraid to name names?

303tom
April 19, 2012, 12:45 PM
Nugent = $$$$$$$......What are they going to do ?

HOWARD J
April 19, 2012, 12:46 PM
Maybe the SS should pay the pros the money that they owe them & spend less time
planning to ""investigate"" people saying nastys about Obama.
Next they will be planning camps for people that don't bow down far enuf.

phil dirt
April 19, 2012, 12:50 PM
Ted Nugent was not issuing a death threat to Obama. You guys who put down what he said clearly don't know what he REALLY said. I think you will find out the hard way sometime next year.

GojuBrian
April 19, 2012, 12:50 PM
I didn't see any threat.......

Where's the media coverage and outrage over the black panthers statements? Farrakan? Etc.....??? :fire:

Yosemite**Sam
April 19, 2012, 12:58 PM
I can't believe what I'm reading here. What Mr. Nugent said is in no way a threat to the president. If it was, believe me he would already be in a federal detention center awaiting arraignment.

What I'm seeing here scares me, obviously many people have their heads buried in the sand and are not paying attention to our government.

Do some research folks and maybe you'll understand where Ted is coming from.

CoRoMo
April 19, 2012, 12:59 PM
This is the definition of corruption. You did something for me, so I'm going to look the other way when you step out of line.
Incorrect. Political correctness is the issue at hand here. Using the phrase 'step out of line' is transparent and handily falls short of an accurate definition of 'corruption'. Corruption takes place when rules and laws are broken, as opposed to when political correctness is violated. If the SS were to be given a pass for their recent scandal, that wouldd be corrupt.

Knowing the difference between a properly context metaphor and a threat of violence has no corruption in it. It's understanding grammatical English and it's quite decent to do so.
What Mr. Nugent said is in no way a threat to the president.
Correct. It was a metaphor in proper context. I couldn't have put his words better myself.

Kleanbore
April 19, 2012, 01:07 PM
A whole lot of discussion started by a drive by post containing only a link....

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