[sturmruger]

I am wondering if anyone has ever come across a story of a carry permit holder shooting till his gun is empty then needing to reload??? I have never read one, I am sure they exist but in all my years of reading self defense stories never run across someone actually needing to reload?

If you have any links please post them up.


Thanks
Norm W

[browningguy]

Probably in the Middle East, parts of South America or Africa, but like you I have never heard of one in the US, will be interesting to see if anyone can come up with a case. Don't get me wrong, I can imagine scnarios where it might happen, just haven't actually heard of one.

[Ramone]

I do know a former NYS Judge who fired a 5 shot Chief's Special (Old School kinda guy) empty (two assailants, one down, one runaway) and then had to try and reload from loose rounds (with shaky hands) and immediately became a believer in GLOCKs.

As it turned out, he didn't NEED the reload, but he was worried about someone coming back before the Cavalry arrived.

No links, but I heard it from the horses mouth.

[Telekinesis]

I don't think the reason for carrying an extra mag or two is so that you simply have more ammunition and that you think you're going to be running your gun dry (though for single stacks, that may still be an issue). The reason people carry extras is that if you have a malfunction in your gun, there's a decent chance you may have to drop your mag. If you're not carrying a spare, you're left with a nice and expensive club.

You may also want to reload after an attack. Like Ramone's story, you don't want to be standing around having just shot (or shot at) someone, and then not have the ability to defend yourself if one of them comes back.

I also think that if you've gone through the difficulty of carrying a gun (permits, holster, belt, daily inconvenience) you really don't loose anything by throwing an extra mag in your back pocket. In a cost benefit analysis, your cost is next to nothing and the benefit could be huge.

[CmpsdNoMore]

This is an interesting subject.

A quick google search came up with this:

http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=158736

[golden]

I do not know of any CCW holders who had to run dry, but it has been documented a number of times with cops who shot up all their ammo in a fight.

Jim

[MedWheeler]

The jewelry store owner on ********** who shot at would-be robbers 'til his .38 Rossi ran dry, then grabbed another (he had several stashed about in his store) to finish the fight. Does that count?
He did upgrade to semi-automatic weapons, and was called upon on at least one more occasion to fire on attackers in the store.

[GLOOB]

^ Nope. That's cheating. I would really really like to hear an account of a revolver being reloaded (and fired again) in a CCW encounter.

The only ones I've read about are the reloads after the fact.

if you have a malfunction in your gun, there's a decent chance you may have to drop your mag. If you're not carrying a spare, you're left with a nice and expensive club. Define "decent chance." I'd been shootin semiauto rifles and handguns for years, and I've never had to drop a mag. Eject and reinsert, yes. Drop, no.

[Telekinesis]

if you have a malfunction in your gun, there's a decent chance you may have to drop your mag. If you're not carrying a spare, you're left with a nice and expensive club.
Define "decent chance." I'd been shootin semiauto rifles and handguns for years, and I've never had to drop a mag. Eject and reinsert, yes. Drop, no.

Ok, so lets take those malfunctions where you've had to eject the mag. I'm assuming you were at a range shooting for fun? That's probably a good idea if you're just on a range and not training, but if I'm in combat or a SD situation and have a failure caused by a magazine, there's no way in hell I'm putting that same magazine back in my gun until I can sit down and thoroughly check it. What's to say it won't fail again?

If you are sitting on a range and have the time to carefully eject the mag and figure out what's happening and then fix it, by all means, take your time and save some wear on your mag and the annoyance of having to bend down and pick it up again. However, when other people are trying to kill you is not the time to be thinking about protecting the finish on a magazine that has caused a failure. Get the gun up and running as soon as you can. If you survive, you can worry about buying a few new magazines.

[allaroundhunter]

Define "decent chance." I'd been shootin semiauto rifles and handguns for years, and I've never had to drop a mag. Eject and reinsert, yes. Drop, no.

When I train to clear a double feed, it ALWAYS requires me to discard the magazine that is in the gun. If you are trying to clear a malfunction quickly (as in a self-defense situation), you don't have time to try to grab the magazine that you are removing and trying to rack the slide with it in your hand. Motor skills are diminished in a situation like that, and it is asking to fail if you don't just ditch the original magazine. Also, most autoloader malfunctions are magazine-related.....I do not want to put a magazine that has most likely already caused one failure back into my gun that I am counting on to save my life.

Double feed clearance - Eject magazine, rack slide x 3, grab and insert fresh mag, chamber new round.

If you have a failure on the range, then yes, you can reinsert the same magazine. But hopefully everyone understands that punching paper on the range and serious training are two different ballgames.

[wwace]

Two threads on this page with the same subject

[sturmruger]

The Revolver stories are great, but are still not quite the story I was looking for. I would love to find a story of a person that shot 15 times at a bad guy then had to do a reload under pressure. So far I have not come across such a story. I am starting to wonder if it has only happened in very small numbers.

If you think about how most criminals go after people the tend to flee the second a gun is presented. This coupled with the fact that most guns have 7+ rounds means that many CCW holders don't need to fire more then a couple of rounds to feel they have stopped the threat. I would say 90% of the news stories I read have less then 3 shots.

[sturmruger]

Someone on XD Talk posted a link to a really good story about this topic. The guy did an analysis of the NRA Armed Citizen column and then posted what he found.

http://thinkinggunfighter.blogspot.com/2012/03/self-defense-findings.html

[Certaindeaf]

Back in the old days you pretty much carried a huge ol' Bowie or sword 'cause that second shot might take a while.

[X-Rap]

The mere presence of a gun probably statistically thwart more crimes than actual shootings, does that mean I will carry unloaded?
I'll take my chances on another mag full just in case. Mechanical failures, missing, multiple assailants, who knows.
I carry 6-7 shot guns at times but have no illusions that I could be better armed.

[doc2rn]

It has happened to me twice while in the service; once in Africa and once in the former Yugo. Both times I went with a NY reload with an M-16A2.

[The Lone Haranguer]

In this account - which I've referenced a number of times - the defender faced two armed robbers, shot his gun to slide lock and, because one robber appeared to be still a threat, had to reload. The surviving robber, who, it turned out, was wounded, fled while he was reloading and he didn't need to fire the additional rounds. It also illustrates the need for good carry gear. http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0BTT/is_4_33/ai_n31877381/?tag=content;col1

[sturmruger]

Thanks you LoneHarunger that is exactly what I was looking for.

[Mike J]

The jeweler MedWheeler was thinking about was Lance Thomas. Here is a link if you're interested http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0BTT/is_156_26/ai_82533205/?tag=content;col1