Diamondback DB9 - Have they gotten better or still garbage?


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StrikeFire83
April 20, 2012, 02:05 AM
With all of the talk about "pocket" handguns, I was wondering what the consensus was on the Diamondback DB9. This thing:

http://diamondbackfirearms.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=74

I've heard a lot of mixed things on this gun, with the balance of the information across three gun forums being negative. Guns with scores of jams/misfeeds, guns glowing up, triggers literally snapping off. Bad stuff.

The only reason I'm still mildly interested is that at .80" thick and exactly 4" high, this pocket 9mm is really the only one that approaches Rohrbaugh territory.

Any info you guys have is much appreciated.

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LightningMan
April 20, 2012, 07:08 AM
I bought one, for the size being the reason, but it's back to Diamondback because of the multable FTF and jams. We'll see if it comes back in working condition. LM

squarles67
April 20, 2012, 10:03 AM
Mine works fine but I might have just been lucky.....

It's picky about ammo and very susceptible to limp wristing. It's no range toy either, unpleasent to shoot is a bit of an understatement.

Overall though for me it's great. 9mm in a package that's not much bigger than my P3-AT. The DB-9 is the gun I carry most often.

Eric's Big Head
April 20, 2012, 11:15 AM
Also curious

Shawn Dodson
April 20, 2012, 11:59 AM
It doesn't have a slide lock - which is a deal breaker.

You need three hands to clear a doublefeed stoppage because you can't lock the slide open to rip the magazine from the pistol.

Tap, Rack, which is the initial immediate action to clear a stoppage, will sometimes induce a doublefeed.

StrikeFire83
April 20, 2012, 12:47 PM
Shawn Dodson, I hear what you're saying, and I agree with it in principle, but in the middle of a gun fight, I'm thinking that slide stop or no slide stop, if you get a doublefeed stoppage you're toast either way. These tiny guns are compromises.

I just want to know if the things are still regularly blowing up, triggers snapping off, and numerous ftf even with FMJ.

MachIVshooter
April 21, 2012, 02:42 AM
You need three hands to clear a doublefeed stoppage because you can't lock the slide open to rip the magazine from the pistol.

No, just two hands with decent strength and a little technique. I have no problem holding the slide back with the same hand that is holding the gun, and using the other hand to free the mag.

StrikeFire83
April 21, 2012, 04:12 PM
So as of now, we have:

1 "Mine worked 100% right out of the box and still does"

and

1 "Mine was a pos that had FTF and jams, I sent it back to the factory, waiting to get it back"

Anybody else?

LightningMan
April 21, 2012, 11:02 PM
StrikeFire83, I hope your not quoting me, as I did not say mine was a POS, it just didn't work right. I have an idea of whats wrong with mine, but I'm not going to mess with it. FWIW, I think the guide rod, at least the guide rod in my pistol, has too much play where the two parts connect together, causing it to tilt one way or the other, then that causes the spring to catch on it. I could try to go into detail but lets just say the guide rod is in two pieces joined by a pin, and the recoil spring is the only thing keeping it together. LM

mgmorden
April 21, 2012, 11:53 PM
Mine works fine . . .
It's picky about ammo and very susceptible to limp wristing.

Those statements don't seem to mesh well together ;).

LJ-MosinFreak-Buck
April 22, 2012, 12:28 AM
I wouldn't buy a pistol that's susceptible to limp-wrist'ing. Just my opinion, I'd rather trust a full-size or a compact before I'd go sub-compact or pocket sized.

mr.scott
April 22, 2012, 01:06 AM
I have a db380 and it has been 100% reliable.

Mykey
April 22, 2012, 08:24 AM
I read lots of reviews on the DB9 both negative and positive before i decided to purchase one. My experience thus far with this pistol has been very positive and i have no regrets with my purchase. I just finished putting another 75rds through mine yesterday and it still hasn't missed a beat. I've shot 4 different types of ammo 200rds total. These include (PMC 115gr FMJ, Federal 115gr FMJ, Federal 124gr JHP, and Remington 124gr Golden Saber JHP) and all have shot without one hiccup and with zero problems. Im loving this little gun and am very impressed with it thus far. I shot from 14ft and 20ft and had no problems shooting groups at those distances. The accuracy appears to be good as long as i do my part and i think it will only get better the more i shoot it and get use to the gun. As for recoil it's stout and a little snappy but it's not bad at all for such a small framed 9mm and is in no way uncomfortable to shoot for me. I ordered a holster from Diamondback and the DB9 is now my primary CCW and i carry it with full confidence that it will perform should the situation arise. I really hope i never have to find out.

jon_in_wv
April 22, 2012, 09:12 AM
Quote:
Mine works fine . . .
It's picky about ammo and very susceptible to limp wristing.

Those statements don't seem to mesh well together .

add:

The DB-9 is the gun I carry most often.

None of that meshes well with me. If it easy to limp wrist and I didn't have faith in its reliability except for certain ammo, I can safely say I would carry it at all.

squarles67
April 23, 2012, 03:48 PM
It works great for me and is very reliable but for some reason when my nephew tries to shoot it he gets a failure to feed on the second shot, my guess is limp wristing.

The first 2 or 3 hundred rounds through the gun were 115g fmj but I prefer to shoot 125g HP ammo for Delf Defense. When I tried the Gold Dot and HST I had it didn't like them but has been 100% with Rem Golden Saber or HD home defense which has a more rounded bullet profile.

heeler
April 23, 2012, 07:55 PM
Interesting enough the Remington Golden Sabers were the only hollow points that would reliably feed thru my DB380...Err,both of them actually,the original as well as the factory replacement after the original died.
I mentioned this to a guy that also bought a DB9 and his too runs good on this ammo,but he has only fire two boxes thru his.

Mr.Scott,how many rounds have you actually put thru that DB380??
Less than 500 I would venture to say.

kokapelli
April 25, 2012, 07:37 PM
If you go to Diamondback talk I think you will find they have a lot of problems with both their 380 and 9mm pistols.http://www.diamondbacktalk.com/forum/viewforum.php?f=11&start=25

StrikeFire83
April 25, 2012, 08:41 PM
kokapelli, thanks for that link. That, combined with the sentiments here and on other forums, have convinced me that this brand is simply a no-go. I'm sure they put out working models, but it seems that you have a pretty high likelihood of getting a lemon.

I've only dealt with one junk gun in my life, a Kimber Custom II that never worked reliably, and I'm not going through that again.

booboo22
April 29, 2012, 07:24 PM
To be fair, the diamondback forum is mostly utilized by people that have had problems. You don't hear about all the good experiences. I have an 6.0L Powerstroke in my F250, and if I would have listened to the forum I belong to, where I heard horror story after horror story, I never would have bought mine. I'm glad I bought mine - 123,xxx miles no problem. The same goes with firearm forums - most posts are about the problems. I have a DB380 and a DB9. The DB380 is going back this week for a trigger issue. The Diamondback customer service is second to none. They will not stop helping you until you are happy. My DB9 has about 50 rounds through it, and the issues are few and far between. I am not going to worry about issues until I hit the 250-300 round mark, as they recommend. If there is a problem, I am 100% they will make it right.

booboo22
April 30, 2012, 02:14 AM
I actually went out today and decided to run some more ammo through it - about 150 rounds. Very few issues - a couple of ftf. The last 5 or 6 mags were flawless, and I even intentionally limp-wristed a couple of times, and it still ran perfect. Hopefully a sign of a long, trouble-free life!

heeler
April 30, 2012, 07:38 PM
Sorry booboo22 but that just aint so.
I can say right now that my original DB380 cratered somewhere around the 900-1000 round mark.
It was an early production model.
To Diamondback's credit they sent me a completely new pistol with a much higher serial number designation.
It has been back twice.
At around the 400 round mark it had a catastrophic failure in which the trigger bar assembly broke,which is quite common on these.
They repaired it but the returned unit could not feed a single magazine without choking.
Back it went.
The return appears fine but it's my honest opinion that these pistols are 500-1000 round disposable guns.
Shoot yours more and get back to us.

justice06rr
April 30, 2012, 07:48 PM
Good info about these DB's. I've went through a few pocket pistols such as LC9, Pf9, 709/740Slim but I've never considered a DB9 or 380.

Quoheleth
April 30, 2012, 08:00 PM
Sheriff Jim Wilson seems to think highly of them, for what that's worth.

Q

booboo22
April 30, 2012, 08:33 PM
Like I said, I hope mine lasts a long time. But to say they are throw away guns based on your experience is a bit irresponsible. Conversely, I don't expect someone to run out and get one because they hear good thing from one person either. But as long as I hear about guys running thousands of rounds through theirs with no issues, and as long as I know DB will take care of me if there is an issue, I'll be a happy owner.

kokapelli
April 30, 2012, 10:29 PM
I didn't want to chime in on the DB because I liked the design and feel of the DB380 I had, but I also had serious problems with it and eventually got rid of the pistol.

I was active at Diamondback Talk when I had mine and at that time just about everyone there was having problems with their DB380s.

After my experience with a DB there's not a chance I would consider another one until I have seen a lot of reports of at least a couple years of good reliable service from their pistols.

heeler
April 30, 2012, 11:36 PM
Like Kokapelli I too liked the design of the DB.
The grip for me was very correct and the sights were above what's offered on most pocket carry 380's.
But,alas booboo22,they are not there yet in the reliability arena of what they are intended to be and that is a concealed handgun.
Nothing irresponsible at all calling it as it is...And if you do some backlog checking on that site you will see numerous problematic issues with these pistols.
I wish Diamondback Firearms the best and hope they can get a lot of these issues behind them.
But this has been my experience and numeous others as well.....Get back with us on your issues or lack there of after you have actually put 500-1000 rounds thru your DB.

booboo22
April 30, 2012, 11:47 PM
Here is my point - I am happy with their customer service, and I HOPE my DB9 will perform like my DB380 has(about 1000 rds, and just sent it in for a trigger issue). Trust me guys, I am not saying that they are perfect pistols - they obviously have a track record of underperforming. To give you an idea of my thinking on a carry piece - my daily carry gun is a SW 340PD. Can't go wrong with a revolver! Again - I'm not a Diamondback fanboy. I was just letting you know my experience with them as a company. Hopefully they will continue to try and make things right for their customers....if they don't, they won't be around much longer.

LightningMan
May 1, 2012, 07:44 PM
I got an e-mail today and my DB9 has been sent back to my FFL dealer, may get it tomorrow. Hope the bugs have been worked out. LM

LightningMan
May 2, 2012, 11:21 PM
Well I got my DB9 back today, but won't get a chance to shoot it till this weekend. The repair note/invoice stated after repairs were made, they tested 18 rounds of Blazer brass FMJ with no failures. We'll see. LM

LightningMan
May 4, 2012, 09:44 PM
I'm sorry to report; I made it to the range today and while my DB9 fired & ejected as it should, but something broke. I got off 4 rounds, and the trigger would not reset. Couldn't even field strip it. Need-less to say, I'm dissappointed. Looks like it's going back for a second time. LM
PS. I wish they had fired 25 rounds and it wouldn't have been sent back to me, if it had broke while they had it.

WardenWolf
May 4, 2012, 10:42 PM
Haven't heard anything good about any of these guns. Glad I talked my father into a P-64 instead. He was wanting a Diamondback for a while after hearing about them and seeing one, but I convinced him that he could save a lot of money and get a better gun by buying a surplus military pistol. $160 later, for both of us, and we each have pistols that are accurate and never jam, and are easy to conceal.

Jim NE
May 4, 2012, 11:00 PM
StrikeFire83,

Sorry, I have no direct experience with DiamondBack. Question: Is there a reason you're not looking at KelTec?

The P11 has long trigger pull, but I like that. Some people don't. The Pf-9 has a more mainstream trigger, but less capacity. They aren't expensive or refined, but I get the impression they're more reliable than diamondback.

I'll be honest, I AM looking for a higher quality (more refined) version of my P11 KelTec, but not because it's failed me. Other than a slide lock problem once at the range, it's been reliable - and MORE reliable with cheaper ammo than my S&W or Ruger autos.

Just a thought. Good luck.

heeler
May 5, 2012, 12:10 AM
Lightningman,I am quite sure the trigger bar mechanism on your DB9 has snapped and broken.
Fwiw, that's exactly what happened on my DB380 and like yours after it happened you could no longer field strip the pistol.
Very sorry.
Although I am very sure Diamondback will repair or replace the pistol just like they did on both of mine,twice each no less,as my experience with DB's customer service was really good.

But at what point do they finally get these MIM parts right and make these pistols reliable for daily carry?

StrikeFire83
May 5, 2012, 12:18 AM
I'm sorry to report; I made it to the range today and while my DB9 fired & ejected as it should, but something broke. I got off 4 rounds, and the trigger would not reset. Couldn't even field strip it. Need-less to say, I'm dissappointed. Looks like it's going back for a second time. LM
PS. I wish they had fired 25 rounds and it wouldn't have been sent back to me, if it had broke while they had it.

Thanks LightningMan and I'm sorry they didn't fix it correctly for you. I'm sufficiently satisfied that Diamondback firearms are garbage, specifically the DB9, and I will not be buying one.

Jim NE, thanks for the rec, but I owned a Kel-Tec P3AT some time ago, and while i didn't have any problems with it, I sold it because I hated the trigger and couldn't hit squat with it. My Glock 26 fills the role that the P11 would, and I dig Glock's trigger. I'm still looking for a pocket gun, and I may buy another PM9 someday ... although the Springfield XDs is looking mighty nice (if it ever comes out)

LightningMan
May 5, 2012, 06:40 AM
The problem is they fixed one problem, but another one popped up. I got 4 rounds off in a row the first time I tried it, which was a big deal considering 99% of the time before I couldn't get more then 2 rounds to go off before a jam would occure. LM

skt239
May 5, 2012, 10:06 AM
Last I heard, the DB is still having tons of issues, especially in the .9mm offerings. If anyone has ever seen one, they are tiny and quite affordable. Seems like if you want a .9mm that small to work, you need to spend a lot more money.

glockrex
May 6, 2012, 12:30 AM
These guns are complete garbage. I my cousin and a friend both had the misfortune of owning a db380 and a db9. Both had catastrophic malfunctions requiring trips back to the factory. The trigger bar broke on the db9 and both were jammommatics.

glockrex
May 6, 2012, 12:37 AM
Calling these guns throw away guns is insulting to throw away guns. Other gun forums are NOT mostly dedicated to problems with the guns Of their namesake. Most posts on glocktalk, xdtalk, hkforums etc are from happy gun owners and not ones with expensive paperweights. I'd say it's much more irresponsible to recommend a terrible gun as a possible carry gun.

nelson133
May 6, 2012, 10:07 AM
Guy shooting next to me at the range had the frame fail while shooting Blazer aluminum case 9mm. That cured me of any desire to have one.

wally
May 7, 2012, 11:51 AM
I wouldn't buy a pistol that's susceptible to limp-wrist'ing.

Virtually all semi auto handguns are susceptible to limp wristing if the grip is loose enough.

I was amazed at my sister's ability to limp wrist a Beretta .25ACP - if the grip is loose enough the gun in recoil just follows the empty and the slide catches it coming forward causing a classic "stovepipe" jam. As soon as I got her to firm up her grip a bit the gun functioned 100%.

Triplec
May 11, 2012, 11:08 PM
From what it sounds like I am not very smart for having bought a new db9 today. I had a chance to put 60 fmj rounds and 15 jhp rounds through it. Had 4 fte within the first 30 rounds with federal 124g range ammo, the jhp were flawless. I really like the gun, no problems the more rounds I got through it. There is much left to be said, hopefully I can report some good things after a few hundred more rounds and give those people out there looking to own the lightest most compact 9mm available some hope. 100% so far with premium carry ammo, and thats what matters.
I also limp wristed a couple mags on purpose with no problems.

booboo22
June 15, 2012, 04:05 PM
Have you guys heard of the mag spring mod? I found it on youtube - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PATZPghEWE4 - and I tried it out with success. You get a PF9 mag spring, and trim it to fit the DB9 mag. I did it a few weeks ago, and have had no issues since.

C0untZer0
June 15, 2012, 08:35 PM
I've never heard or read of Diamondback doing a recall, making a news release or telling anyone that they had changed anything.

There is no reason to believe that a DB9 you buy tomorrow is any different from the ones people purchased a year ago.

franco45
June 15, 2012, 08:36 PM
Here is my point - I am happy with their customer service, and I HOPE my DB9 will perform like my DB380 has(about 1000 rds, and just sent it in for a trigger issue).

So you're hoping the trigger on your DB9 breaks at 1000 rounds?

My experience with Diamondback was very frustrating. Yes their cs is excellent. I know because I had to use it several times. On the third trip back to the factory they sent me a new gun (DB380). I immediately traded it for an LCP and haven't looked back. Now my Kahr CM9 has been another story. Perfect from day one. No DB9 in my future for sure.:cool:

C0untZer0
June 15, 2012, 08:44 PM
Calling these guns throw away guns is insulting to throw away guns.



Even throw away guns are expected to work for 6 or 7 rounds...
:D

I wouldn't mind paying $100 for a gun that would only fire 7 rounds if I could be sure it really would fire those 7 rounds before it had to be disposed of.

booboo22
June 15, 2012, 08:54 PM
So you're hoping the trigger on your DB9 breaks at 1000 rounds?

My experience with Diamondback was very frustrating. Yes their cs is excellent. I know because I had to use it several times. On the third trip back to the factory they sent me a new gun (DB380). I immediately traded it for an LCP and haven't looked back. Now my Kahr CM9 has been another story. Perfect from day one. No DB9 in my future for sure.:cool:
What I said was I am happy with their customer service. I sent my DB380 in and they sent me a brand new gun that has been flawless. Seems kinda silly to trade away the new gun they sent you without trying it.

WardenWolf
June 15, 2012, 09:24 PM
Like I said to the guy inquiring about a Jiminez JA22: it'd be more reliable than anything made by Diamondback. Any discussion about these guns always includes reports of parts failing that should NEVER fail. Parts that aren't even normally considered wear parts break randomly on these guns, indicating fundamental design flaws. They're clearly using components that are at their limits of structural integrity even under ideal conditions. Essentially, many components on these pistols are always on the verge of breaking, and it only takes a little bit or one minor manufacturing variation to push them over the edge. When cheap potmetal guns last longer and are more reliable, you KNOW there's a problem.

mgregg85
June 15, 2012, 09:30 PM
A guy I work with has the DB9 and he loves it but it has been back to the factory twice now. The trigger keeps going dead after a couple hundred rounds

WardenWolf
June 15, 2012, 09:40 PM
A guy I work with has the DB9 and he loves it but it has been back to the factory twice now. The trigger keeps going dead after a couple hundred rounds
That's exactly what I'm talking about. Things like trigger bars should never break. They're not considered a "wear" component. The only way these parts would break is if they were at the limits of structural integrity to begin with. It just speaks to bad design.

StrikeFire83
June 15, 2012, 09:44 PM
like i said to the guy inquiring about a jiminez ja22: It'd be more reliable than anything made by diamondback. Any discussion about these guns always includes reports of parts failing that should never fail. Parts that aren't even normally considered wear parts break randomly on these guns, indicating fundamental design flaws. They're clearly using components that are at their limits of structural integrity even under ideal conditions. Essentially, many components on these pistols are always on the verge of breaking, and it only takes a little bit or one minor manufacturing variation to push them over the edge. When cheap potmetal guns last longer and are more reliable, you know there's a problem.

bingo.

WildBill63
June 15, 2012, 09:47 PM
Hickok45 just posted a review of the DB9 this week.
Looks like pretty good accuracy, but not very reliable.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VHC9zUVRc18&list=UUvB3solmhqtgDeLpD-yTtfg&index=2&feature=plcp

LightningMan
June 15, 2012, 10:20 PM
Here's my review on another post;
http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?p=8222865#post8222865post8222865

C0untZer0
June 16, 2012, 12:36 AM
The Zamak/potmetal guns last longer than the DB9 because they have 2 more pounds of metal than the DB9.

If the DB9 was made out of Zamak it would only be able to fire 4 or 5 rounds before breaking.

Oh wait... :uhoh:

WardenWolf
June 16, 2012, 02:07 AM
Considering the very obvious structural integrity problems with the parts on these pistols, I'd say the ONLY way they can probably even salvage the design is if they start making the affected parts out of titanium. Parts on these guns break that shouldn't ever break, and that indicates systemic problems with the design itself. It's not a simple matter of improving quality control or fixing it. It's the fact that the design itself is fundamentally flawed and broken, and there is no fixing it without engineering a completely new firearm from the ground up. Critical components of these guns are underengineered, and in order to beef them up they would have to redesign the entire gun.

franco45
June 17, 2012, 12:18 AM
What I said was I am happy with their customer service. I sent my DB380 in and they sent me a brand new gun that has been flawless. Seems kinda silly to trade away the new gun they sent you without trying it.

Not when you get a proven design that has not had one hiccup in over 2 years. What would be kinda silly would be to stick with a flawed design and keep sending it back to the factory.
You should get about 400 or 500 rounds out of it before the parts start failing.

booboo22
June 17, 2012, 04:21 PM
Having owned or having had friends that have owned the DB9, DB380, TCP, P3AT, and LCP, I would not use any of these for my primary defense weapon. I carry a S&W 340PD, and my DB380 or DB9 are used strictly as backups. Having said that, I have not had to send either DB pistol back more than any other pistol I own. 2 different Sigs have gone back once, I've sent a Glock back once, and a Taurus back once. My DB380 went back once, and I got a brand new gun in return. I have had no issues with the DB9 since I did the spring mod. For every 1 gun that people have problems with, there are a bunch of people that have no issues.

Nasty
December 2, 2012, 09:13 AM
Been away thus the catchup...

Bought one 2 months ago and now have several hundred rounds through it. So far, no issues whatsoever. None. Mine is a late YB serial and they are now up to YC.

Target below is 75 rounds rapid fire at 20 yards offhand.

Just adding a data point guys...not arguing the early ones had issues.

http://i1198.photobucket.com/albums/aa458/raynewton/Photobucket/db9x75rdp.jpg

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