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arthury
April 21, 2012, 03:31 PM
I have been eyeing the AR10 SASS by Armalite for sometime but still looking around to see if there are better alternatives.
Any suggestions?

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GI_Jared
April 21, 2012, 05:01 PM
For .308 ARs there are two different main configurations. The AR-10 design made by Armalite and then the DPMS design. All of them are fine rifles and a lot of people will argue the quality between them. It all mainly depends on your budget and what system you like the best. I also forgot to mention the HK 762 and Sig 716 designs which I don't know too much about, but I do know that they are piston driven.

Frankl03
April 21, 2012, 06:05 PM
Not sure what price you found on an Armalite SASS. But also look at LMT MWS, Larue OBR, Noveske (I believe theirs is the same pattern as AR10), GA Precision, and I believe Fulton Armory Titan.

If you can spend around $5000 you could get an Knights Armament SR25.

If you want to spend $1000 -1500 there is DPMS, Bushmaster, CMMG and Rock River (takes FAL Mags)

Hope that helps!

Robert
April 21, 2012, 06:22 PM
If I had the money, LaRue OBR.

DammitBoy
April 21, 2012, 06:25 PM
What about the new Colt in .308?

Freedom_fighter_in_IL
April 21, 2012, 06:43 PM
I have an AR 10 Armalite built by Accuracy Systems. It was far from cheap but I have to say, I got everything I wanted in an AR rifle. Accurate (1 ragged hole at 100 in 5 shot strings), have yet to have a FTF, it's a bit on the heavy side (with my Coyote Nikon scope and sling it's just over 13 pounds) but balanced very well. The 2 stage trigger that came on it is VERY good in my opinion. Not quite like glass breaking but highly functional for hunting purposes which is what I got it for. Over all just a very good investment and I am highly pleased. To me, it's a better quality build than the DPMS version. But the DPMS version is about 600+ cheaper so you get what you pay for. I've heard very few complaints about them so they must be decent at least.

taliv
April 21, 2012, 07:29 PM
if you want the best in accuracy and usability, look at a GAP-10 or larue OBR
KAC SR25s have some interesting features and a lot of engineering went into them, but they can be hit or miss on accuracy (seems some of them are 1/2moa but a whole lot of them are 1 1/2 moa)

DPMS makes a decent budget one that is good if you want to customize it

FrankCastleThePunisher
April 21, 2012, 07:55 PM
The Armalite AR 10 SASS will run around $ $2,700.00. Great gun.

Carne Frio
April 21, 2012, 11:03 PM
These, from POF, are supposed to be high
quality. They use a short stroke piston. They
are also expensive, around $3k. I can afford
the Bushmasters in .308; they work fine.
http://www.pof-usa.com/p308/p308.htm

TexasPatriot.308
April 21, 2012, 11:26 PM
for the money. Armalite. the AR stands for Armalite.

arthury
April 22, 2012, 12:39 AM
Thanks, guys, there are a about 10+ choices. That is a nice list.

arthury
April 22, 2012, 12:59 AM
The Colt LE901-16S looks promising at around $2200. Is that piston gun or just a regulat direct impingement gun? Their website did even talk about it.
Anyone selling it?

1858
April 22, 2012, 01:02 AM
You can add Les Baer to the list but I have no experience with them. I've shot a KAC SR-25 quite a few times and own a POF P308 which has been 100% reliable and is quite accurate i.e. MOA or better at 100 yards with factory ammunition.

http://www.lesbaer.com/AR308.html

Freedom_fighter_in_IL
April 22, 2012, 03:21 AM
Here is where I got mine from, http://www.ar-10-rifles.com/index.php pic's and descriptions of many of their full builds.

madcratebuilder
April 22, 2012, 08:35 AM
Noveske makes the nicest 7.62 AR I have shoot, outstanding barrel quality and the SWS rails are really nice. The ArmaLite SASS is a close second.

The 7.62 AR's come in several magazine patterns. ArmaLite, Noveske and AP are M14 style. KAC, LMT, CMMG and DPMS are SR-25 style. RRA is FAL and there are some that use G3 mags. The SR-25 mag is the defacto standard and ArmaLite has released new models that use the SR-25 mag.

Noveske N6
http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d37/madcratebuilder/AR10/AR10noveske02.jpg

Roadkill
April 22, 2012, 09:19 AM
I wanted a hunter. I needed to be accurate up to 300 yds, easy to use and move around with in the brush, and compact to maneuver for off hand shots from a climbing tree stand. I traded for this DPMS LR308 and it has met/exceeded all expectations. I only got two deer this year which is plenty for wife and I (neighbors were disappointed though). First one was a 25 yds head on brush shot while moving, second was a 200 yd kneeling shot as it ran into treeline from open field. No doubt the previous guns mentioned are better quality (and more expensive) but the LR 308 does exactly what I need it for. And with my hand loads it absolutely will shoot MOA.
http://img607.imageshack.us/img607/5092/securedownload1p.jpg

arthury
April 22, 2012, 11:28 AM
Since this is quite a big ticket item, I want to be sure the manufacturer will be around for some time. Besides Colt and FN, I noticed that quite a lot of the aforementned companies are tiny companies (not related to the quality of their products), who do you think is a safer bet?

arthury
April 22, 2012, 11:32 AM
[...]
The 7.62 AR's come in several magazine patterns. ArmaLite, Noveske and AP are M14 style. KAC, LMT, CMMG and DPMS are SR-25 style. RRA is FAL and there are some that use G3 mags. The SR-25 mag is the defacto standard and ArmaLite has released new models that use the SR-25 mag.



Thanks for highlighting this. I used to think that the mags were std across manufacturers, like the 5.56mm platform.

chaser_2332
April 22, 2012, 11:52 AM
Gap-10, JP


Whatever u do get a platform that allows u to run pmags for the best reliabity.

madcratebuilder
April 22, 2012, 11:53 AM
Thanks for highlting this. I used to think that the mags were std across manufactures, like the 5.56mm platform.
These big AR's do not have the same kind of parts comparability that there little sisters do. Barrel nuts, bolts and bolt carriers, mag release, bolt stop, RE and RE parts can be different across the different brands.

This AR-10 FAQ (http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_3_62/378850_AR10_FAQ_and_information_Small_Update_2012.html) is based on ArmaLite but it shows the different parts and well help you get a handle on all the different mag types.

Rockfish61
April 22, 2012, 12:44 PM
I have owned a POF 308 for two years now. I also have the P-415 in .223. This rifle has performed exceptionally well and I have even competed in F-Class unlimited at 1000yds. My reloads are consistently 1/2 MOA at 300 (see target). I have added only the Bipod and the optic (Vortex PST 30mm 4-16 MIL RAD) to the base platform. In my book it was everything I had wanted in an AR 308 platform and then some. It is 100% reliable (no FTF, FTE yet :) Accurate, easy to maintain (piston and NP3).

The only other AR 308 platforms I have owned are the DPMS Panther in SASS configuration and a Bushmaster. The POF has them beat hands down IMHO.

dprice3844444
April 22, 2012, 12:57 PM
RRA is FAL and there are some that use G3 mags pick the one lower that uses surplus mags.than pick out your upper design you want.than contact the upper maker and ask them if they can mate your desired upper to your choice lower.
surplus mags are way cheaper in the long run than the proprietary ones,and may be easier to find.plus,if you have a 91 or an fal,you can share.

Danco411
April 22, 2012, 01:36 PM
Kind of hard to rate one rifle over another when they all shoot better than we can. :) I traded for a DPMS Sportical and turned it into a superior weapon with a Fulton match barrel, JP free float rail, Magpul PRS stock and a Geiselle SSD-E trigger. I have less than 1800 into it and it will shoot better than I can. You relay can't go wrong with any of the current offerings available. Sure would I like an OBR? Definitely. Do I want to pay the price? No. Will it outshoot my DPMS build? Not with me behind the trigger.

JAV8000
April 22, 2012, 05:33 PM
I purchased an LMT 308MWS after I came back from my deployment in Afghanistan. The Brits now issue it to their designated marksmen as the L129 in Afghanistan. It's effectively an M110 (SR25) with a fast change barrel feature. It takes pmags, has a monolithic upper receiver, is direct impingement, and can be had with stainless or chrome lined 16, 18, or 20" barrels. Mine has run flawlessly for about 200 rounds and is capable of sub (even 1/2) MOA accuracy with the 16" chrome lined barrel and 168 gr FGMM ammo. $2700 out the door, top notch and highly recommended......don't hear a lot about them on this forum, full review and pics to come.

ugaarguy
April 22, 2012, 05:41 PM
for the money. Armalite. the AR stands for Armalite.
Yes, the Armalite small arms division of Fairchild Aviation which has been out of business for nearly half a century now. SR-25 stands for Stoner Rifle, as in Eugene Stoner, who designed the original AR-10 and AR-15. The current company from Illinois calling themselves Armalite makes an AR-10 that won't even accept magazines from the original Fairchild Armalite AR-10.

DammitBoy
April 22, 2012, 08:26 PM
I purchased an LMT 308MWS after I came back from my deployment in Afghanistan. It takes pmags, has a monolithic upper receiver, is direct impingement, and can be had with stainless or chrome lined 16, 18, or 20" barrels. Mine has run flawlessly for about 200 rounds and is capable of sub (even 1/2) MOA accuracy with the 16" chrome lined barrel and 168 gr FGMM ammo. $2700 out the door...

I want... :D

valnar
April 22, 2012, 08:38 PM
If I could afford it, I'd buy the PWS MK216 (http://primaryweapons.com/store/pc/viewCategories.asp?idCategory=25). Every other option has a caveat.

ugaarguy
April 22, 2012, 10:29 PM
If I could afford it, I'd buy the PWS MK216. Every other option has a caveat.
Caveat, because the of the way the rail panels are mounted to the gas block on MK216 I don't see how you can free float it. Caveat, sticking a piston onto an AR induces carrier tilt, and causes reciprocating mass to interact with the barrel: Neither of these happen with DI ARs.

The Knights SR-25 in M110 guise was chosen by the US Army as their .308 AR DMR. The UK MOD chose the LMT MWS for the same purpose.

dprice3844444
April 22, 2012, 10:36 PM
i'd go with the lmt

mljdeckard
April 22, 2012, 10:49 PM
I spent a day on the range with the 19th Group, and they let me shoot their suppressed SR-25. Now it was nothing short of glorious, but they told me that they had problems with them, that they would start jamming if they shot them faster than about 6 RPM. They said the KAC protoypes were much better than the actual delivered rifles.

Freedom_fighter_in_IL
April 22, 2012, 11:19 PM
Now it was nothing short of glorious, but they told me that they had problems with them, that they would start jamming if they shot them faster than about 6 RPM. They said the KAC protoypes were much better than the actual delivered rifles.

That statement right there is why I laugh like a stoned hyena whenever someone says "it's all mil spec so it has to be the best". People need to realize that "mil spec" is generally pretty piss poor. Built by the cheapest bidder that can produce the greatest volume while sacrificing quality a lot of times. Any soldier that has been in the field can tell you this.

ugaarguy
April 22, 2012, 11:37 PM
I spent a day on the range with the 19th Group, and they let me shoot their suppressed SR-25. Now it was nothing short of glorious, but they told me that they had problems with them, that they would start jamming if they shot them faster than about 6 RPM. They said the KAC protoypes were much better than the actual delivered rifles.
So just like the AR-15 based rifles from the M16 to the M4 you hold the manufacturer to the spec they submitted that won the contract. How many manufacturers were able to build prototypes that were even competitive with the SR-25 / M110?
That statement right there is why I laugh like a stoned hyena whenever someone says "it's all mil spec so it has to be the best". People need to realize that "mil spec" is generally pretty piss poor. Built by the cheapest bidder that can produce the greatest volume while sacrificing quality a lot of times. Any soldier that has been in the field can tell you this.
ARs have been around for over 50 years. We know how to make them run. That's why I laugh like a hyena when (less the burst or full auto feature) an AR manufacturer can't even meet Mil Spec, much less exceed it.

Freedom_fighter_in_IL
April 22, 2012, 11:46 PM
ugaarguy, most of the top brand AR's tend to at least meet mil spec and most beat it to death. I was in the field to long and handled too many M16's and M4's not to know this truth.

Matthew Courtney
April 23, 2012, 08:35 AM
I have owned a POF 308 for two years now. I also have the P-415 in .223. This rifle has performed exceptionally well and I have even competed in F-Class unlimited at 1000yds. My reloads are consistently 1/2 MOA at 300 (see target). I have added only the Bipod and the optic (Vortex PST 30mm 4-16 MIL RAD) to the base platform. In my book it was everything I had wanted in an AR 308 platform and then some. It is 100% reliable (no FTF, FTE yet :) Accurate, easy to maintain (piston and NP3).

The only other AR 308 platforms I have owned are the DPMS Panther in SASS configuration and a Bushmaster. The POF has them beat hands down IMHO.
That target shows about a 5.5 inch 5 shot group, which at 300 yards would be about 1.75 moa, not .5 moa. Still very respectable!

madcratebuilder
April 23, 2012, 08:40 AM
The Knights SR-25 in M110 guise was chosen by the US Army as their .308 AR DMR. The UK MOD chose the LMT MWS for the same purpose.

The Canadians chose the ArmaLite SASS.

marksman13
April 23, 2012, 08:50 AM
The GAP-10 and LWRC REPR are at the top of my list. My DPMS LR-308 was not as accurate as I had hoped and the overall quality was no where close to that of the REPR. That said, I'm not sure the REPR is $3000 better, but it is a very nice rifle.

Rockfish61
April 23, 2012, 10:03 AM
That target shows about a 5.5 inch 5 shot group, which at 300 yards would be about 1.75 moa, not .5 moa. Still very respectable!

Thanks, That off hole was a sighter, I made an adjustment and shot the four shot group. I was working a new load up so I always chrono every shot. Here is another one using Varget that was just a hair over 1 MOA. The IMR 4320 proved to be more consistent and tighter groups in this rifle.

Big Bad Bob
April 23, 2012, 11:25 AM
Buddy just got a Laure PredatAR 7.62 and its unbelievably awesome. I have a DPMS lr308. Cant go wrong with either one, although the difference in price is a couple k.

i think it all comes down to how you intend to use it and how many nickels you want to spend. they all shoot straight.

arthury
April 23, 2012, 11:32 AM
This article is quite dated and so, it begs the question about the current KAC customer service --- is it still that bad or worse?

http://www.dsarms.com/pdf/308SemiautoRifles.pdf

ugaarguy
April 23, 2012, 08:34 PM
The Canadians chose the ArmaLite SASS.
Cool, I did not know that, thank you for passing on the info.

Mr.Blue
April 23, 2012, 08:47 PM
My next gun will be either a LaRue OBR or a LWRC REPR. They are both expensive, but you get what you pay for.

FlyinBryan
April 24, 2012, 01:10 AM
cant say about the best, but i have heard very good things about the dpms line, even from some fairly experienced ar platform guys.

are they the best? probably not.
are the the best bang for your buck? very likely.

i dont own one, but would be very inclined to look at the lr308 models if i were in the market.

Swami
April 24, 2012, 02:04 AM
I have a DPMS. It has worked great for me, it shoots tight enough groups to really have fun with and it has tended to work really well so far. Granted, I don't carry it through the woods or subject it to much of anything harsh. Its life consists of range shooting and being babied. For that purpose it's a fantastic value.

henschman
April 24, 2012, 10:45 AM
arthury, what is your intended use for the rifle?

arthury
April 24, 2012, 11:16 AM
arthury, what is your intended use for the rifle?

Currently, I own a pretty current Remington 700 SPS Varmint 308 which shoots sub-MOA because I upgraded it with a Bell & Carlson tactical stock. But, the internal ammo compartment in the rifle is unreliable in its feeding and loading new ammo into it is also temperamental. I have talked with Remi and they strongly discouraged me not to modify it for a detachable mag.

Consequently, I am looking for a 308 semi-auto that has these characteristics:

highly reliable
able to shoot 1 MOA or better
US-made
Manufacturer will be around for a while

brnmuenchow
April 24, 2012, 11:47 AM
Knight's Armamnet SR-25 series:
SR-25 EM RIFLE P/N: 25870
CALIBER .308 (7.62mm NATO)
TRIGGER 2 Stage Match (4.5 lbs)
VELOCITY
2,560 fps (175 gr. M118LR)
780 meters p/ second
MAGAZINE TYPE / CAP. Standard 10/20 Rounds
WEIGHT (w/o MAGAZINE) 10.4 lbs / 4.7 Kgs
OVERALL LENGTH 39.5" / 100 cm
BBL LENGTH 20" / 51 cm

I got to see one once at a Class 3 Dealer, that's the one I thinking about saving up for.:D

PR-NJ
April 24, 2012, 08:49 PM
Yes, sir. Based on some cursory research, the LMT is the one I find intriguing. And for the price, it better be good!

Big Bad Bob
April 24, 2012, 08:56 PM
This conversion is already too rich for my blood, but if i had my choice of "best" .308 AR, it would either be a Larue OBR or PredatAR, these rifles are phenomenal. And the guys at Larue are top notch, and there is nothing more American than anything made in Texas.

That being said talking about accuracy in AR's with .308 loads, my DPMS lr308 24in barrel likes being fed Speer 168 grain BTHPs Match, under Varget. This rifle is so accurate it is my new beanfield rifle over my 300wsm.

brnmuenchow
April 26, 2012, 11:41 AM
This conversion is already too rich for my blood, but if i had my choice of "best" .308 AR, it would either be a Larue OBR or PredatAR, these rifles are phenomenal. And the guys at Larue are top notch, and there is nothing more American than anything made in Texas.

I'll second that as well.

Nood1es
April 26, 2012, 12:04 PM
Just throwing it out there..check out mega arms 308. Got mine finally setup and I'm very pleased with it.

Arkansas Paul
April 26, 2012, 06:07 PM
What's the opinion on the Remington R-25 in .308? I've never fired one, but they sure look good.

Big Bad Bob
April 26, 2012, 08:06 PM
Its a bushmaster with a camo job and name change

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