Oh boy, The Nuge does it again


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Freedom_fighter_in_IL
April 21, 2012, 03:54 PM
Ted Nugent has screwed up again according to Alaskan hunting laws. It seems that if you release an arrow and it strikes ANY part of the body of a game animal, then that animal is now yours and your tag is filled. Doesn't seem to matter if you made a bad shot (non lethal) and it is un-recoverable. Part of me agrees with this concept and another part of me doesn't. The law is worded that ANY contact from an arrow means you have filled your tag. So, what if you just grazed the back of the animal, barely even creasing the skin? Yep, you guessed it, tag filled! Here is the link to the news report.

http://xfinity.comcast.net/articles/entertainment-eonline/20120421/b310593/

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rcmodel
April 21, 2012, 03:59 PM
Probably if you didn't film it & show it on national television there would have been no questions ask.

Just say'n.

rc

Double Naught Spy
April 21, 2012, 04:05 PM
So he has been pinched for poaching in California and now for poaching in Alaska?

I know a lot of folks blamed Nugent's guide in California for not being up on the laws and hence Nugent was somehow not as much at fault, but this is now the second time. It isn't the responsibility of anyone other than the hunter to know the laws and if he doesn't know them, then he deserves to get busted.

The law is worded that ANY contact from an arrow means you have filled your tag. So, what if you just grazed the back of the animal, barely even creasing the skin? Yep, you guessed it, tag filled! Here is the link to the news report.

I understand your dislike of the wording of the law, but the wording of the law at this level of contact isn't relevant. It wasn't that Nugent was confused on whether his arrow contacted the bear or not. He knew that it had. He knew that he had wounded the animal. He believed it was not a fatal wound. So this wasn't an incidental contact issue.

What I find so amazing is that he keeps getting busted because he documents his transgressions on video...for TV!

matrem
April 21, 2012, 04:05 PM
Sounds like he needs a better video editor.

sdhunter
April 21, 2012, 05:01 PM
nuge was also busted in south dakota. south dakota law states that if your hunting priveleges have been revolked in another state like california, you are not eligible for a south dakota hunting license. But ted thought that south dakota pheasant hunting wasnt part of that deal and lied on his license application by not stating the accident in california lol. Lucky the south dakota game officer knew ted was hunting and kept up on the news and paid the motor city madman a visit in the field.

Double Naught Spy
April 21, 2012, 08:17 PM
Busted maybe, but not charged.
http://siouxcityjournal.com/news/state-and-regional/south-dakota/article_2c9a68e8-24cd-11e0-98fe-001cc4c002e0.html

sdhunter
April 21, 2012, 09:34 PM
thats funny, i wonder if they would have ruled the same if it was you or me that violated the law.

rcmodel
April 21, 2012, 09:45 PM
See this other thread!

http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?p=8117026#post8117026

rc

Feanor
April 22, 2012, 12:15 AM
It isn't the responsibility of anyone other than the hunter to know the laws and if he doesn't know them, then he deserves to get busted.


End of story!

Feanor
April 22, 2012, 12:26 AM
They've got apparently some crazy law in Southeast that says if you even touch an animal with an arrow, it becomes your animal," Ross said Friday. "He looked to see if he had hit it and didn't believe that he'd hit it fatally."


I have lived and hunted in Alaska most of my life, if it was up to me, he'd never get to come back again, it was more then violating an obscure game regulation, and we have some of these game regs in place for a good reason.

He failed to harvest his "wounded" bear!

theicemanmpls
April 22, 2012, 12:34 AM
Nugent has been in the news lately for waving automatic weapons and saying silly things about the sitting POTUS. Enough to get a visit from the Secret Service.

What I find most disturbing is the NRA has not disowned Nuget, or his actions.

When I hunted, I studied the laws inside and out. IMO, following the rules is/was being an ethical hunter.

Nugent brings $$ to the always "cash strapped" NRA. Maybe that explains the hall pass.

Why does it always have to be about the money?

wwace
April 22, 2012, 04:27 AM
I live in Alaska and have hunted here since 1971. Ted Nugent has been hunting here for around 30 years also. The law which Ted got busted with was fairly new, I wasn't aware of it but I do not actively hunt black bear. Most areas residents can kill several per year.

http://www.adfg.alaska.gov/static/regulations/wildliferegulations/pdfs/regulations_complete.pdf

The regulation is on page 25, and the location on the page could easily cause it to be overlooked, especially by somebody who has hunted here for a long time and was not aware of the reg. His guide at the least should have known and informed him.

It is the hunters responsibility to know the laws, but given the circumstances I can see how this was missed. Ted paid a big fat fine and spends lots of bucks here every year, a lot more than the $10k they charged him.

sdhunter
April 22, 2012, 09:43 AM
either way i feel he is hurting us more than his money is helping. He handed the anti-hunting groups more fuel for their fire. If i had pulled the stunt that he did in california i would be damn sure to skim the state laws over once a day and twice on sunday in every other state i hunted thereafter. Hell with the money he has he should just have his attorney go over the state hunting regs for him before he goes there lol. His ignorance is very comparable to gen. custer's and look were he ended up.

Art Eatman
April 22, 2012, 11:19 AM
I read the Texas wildlife regulations booklet every year. You read along and what you see is the same as last year for the first 15 of 20 items. It's all too easy to miss seeing some new change.

The issue, then, is one of intent. So, yeah, Nugent did wrong, apparently all unkowingly. Guilty, yes, but not from any scornful and wilful ignoring of the rule.

cottswald
April 22, 2012, 11:23 AM
Well said Art.

Uncle Ted is an in-your-face kinda guy (better him than me). As far as the antihunters, they will trace his every move and pounce on any hint of an error. Get over it!

wlewisiii
April 22, 2012, 11:25 AM
Nugent's lack of ethics as a hunter is a stain on all legitimate hunters. And I do not believe for one minute that he was "unaware". Didn't care is far more likely.

buck460XVR
April 22, 2012, 12:07 PM
I read the Texas wildlife regulations booklet every year. You read along and what you see is the same as last year for the first 15 of 20 items. It's all too easy to miss seeing some new change.

The issue, then, is one of intent. So, yeah, Nugent did wrong, apparently all unkowingly. Guilty, yes, but not from any scornful and wilful ignoring of the rule.

It has been said many times and is as true today as ever......."Ignorance of the law is no excuse". Funny in all three of the cases where Ted was caught doing something wrong he used the same excuse...."duh, I didn't know".:rolleyes: Guess when somethings works, there's no need to fix it. All one has to do is watch a little bit of Ted's hunting shows to see he is not a hunter, but a shooter. His idea of a successful hunt is something dead regardless of the quality of the hunt. The pressure to show this idea of success to a television audience apparently has Ted bending the rules to make it happen. Fortunately for him he has enough monies to pay lawyers and fines and to go somewhere else he can hunt when he loses hunting privileges in one area. Since most violators violate more than once, and Ol' uncle Ted has already been caught three times, I tend to wonder how many other times he has "bent the rules" and gotten away with it. Especially those times when the cameras aren't rolling.







Nugent's lack of ethics as a hunter is a stain on all legitimate hunters. And I do not believe for one minute that he was "unaware". Didn't care is far more likely.

^^^ I gotta agree.

Sky
April 22, 2012, 12:40 PM
I am probably wrong so forgive me if I am....I read someplace there were 4000 or 40,000 ( somewhere in that range) new laws passed last year ?nation wide? or at the federal level; don't remember and do not know where to begin to look? Ignorance of the law is no excuse; great catch all.

ZeroJunk
April 22, 2012, 01:42 PM
A member of our small club is a Wildlife Enforcement Officer. I have been hunting for 50 years and it only takes a short conversation with him to realize there are a lot of regulations I don't know about. Mostly I consider them nit picky, but my wallet probably wouldn't.

Tomcat47
April 22, 2012, 02:12 PM
I have been watching this thread and I must disagree with some of this....

I have always thought of Ted as a hunter and a champion for the 2A!

Yes! He is in your face....which in itself gets him in trouble! But to call him an unethical hunter is a bit over the top to me...... so he got charged with poaching etc etc... Who here has broken the law as written in a regulation guide, but did not get caught???(not accusing just saying) the laws change every year!

Fred Bear (RIP) was Ted Nugents Mentor....was he an unethical hunter? Some might say yes to that, but it would not be true either! Ted actually says to our proponents what we want to say to them! But when its said it is politically incorrect and the media runs with it!

It disgusts me that they can be over the top towards demonizing 2A or hunting, but when someone comes back at them it is unacceptable.

And besides Ted is not being drawn out and punished for his comments, hunting ethics, etc. He is being punished and drawn out for his political affiliations....we all know that too! :fire:

X-Rap
April 22, 2012, 02:28 PM
I bet there are 10,000's of game violation per yr. Ted or any other celeb will be highlighted by the media and game departments for the simple reason that he/they are high profile and it gives all those involved in the case a higher profile as well, 15 sec. of fame so to speak.
I question those who say he is unethical and also those who challenge his motives. THR as a whole probably doesn't add up to what he spends in time and money to promote the sport of shooting/hunting and anti drug/alcohol message to kids.


And besides Ted is not being drawn out and punished for his comments, hunting ethics, etc. He is being punished and drawn out for his political affiliations....we all know that too!


Totally agree

cottswald
April 22, 2012, 06:26 PM
I have been watching this thread and I must disagree with some of this....

I have always thought of Ted as a hunter and a champion for the 2A!

Yes! He is in your face....which in itself gets him in trouble! But to call him an unethical hunter is a bit over the top to me...... so he got charged with poaching etc etc... Who here has broken the law as written in a regulation guide, but did not get caught???(not accusing just saying) the laws change every year!

Fred Bear (RIP) was Ted Nugents Mentor....was he an unethical hunter? Some might say yes to that, but it would not be true either! Ted actually says to our proponents what we want to say to them! But when its said it is politically incorrect and the media runs with it!

It disgusts me that they can be over the top towards demonizing 2A or hunting, but when someone comes back at them it is unacceptable.

And besides Ted is not being drawn out and punished for his comments, hunting ethics, etc. He is being punished and drawn out for his political affiliations....we all know that too! :fire:
Tomcat you beat me to it!

Teds been hunting longer than many of us have been alive, and if you read his books or watched his vids you would have no doubt as to his passion for the outdoor sports. His problems have always been with the "laws" not with the "ethics", (last I checked they were not one and the same).

MCgunner
April 22, 2012, 07:59 PM
Da Nuge has to walk a fine line. He has political enemies on the left, big time, looking for ANY way to take him down the way they take down people like Sarah Palin and probably their opposition in the NEXT election. I think one must understand this fact before dumping on him for ANYthing.

I have been popped by the warden once, not properly cutting out the dates on the tag which had been changed and kinda threw me off. I paid the fine, but I thought it was pretty chicken poop if ya know what I mean. My fault, though, shoulda been thinkin' a little more about it. Dump on me, too, if you think you're so perfect and walk on water and all that, don't really care. One of these days, you're going to do something out of ignorance, probably already have, whether you were caught or not. I don't sit down and study EVERYthing Texas changes from year to year except duck limits and fishing limits and seasons. They're changing all the time. Add to this the fact that every state has different laws and Ted can afford to hunt all over the friggin' planet. Me, I just have to keep up with Texas. New Mexico is the only other state I've ever hunted in.

Feanor
April 22, 2012, 08:25 PM
I bet there are 10,000's of game violation per yr. Ted or any other celeb will be highlighted by the media and game departments for the simple reason that he/they are high profile and it gives all those involved in the case a higher profile as well, 15 sec. of fame so to speak.
I question those who say he is unethical and also those who challenge his motives. THR as a whole probably doesn't add up to what he spends in time and money to promote the sport of shooting/hunting and anti drug/alcohol message to kids.




Totally agree
You're right, why have any regulations at all, lets all just do what we wish to do, when we wish too! I mean whats the problem with leaving a wounded bear for someone else to deal with? In fact, lets just board trains, planes, or automobiles and shoot every animal we see, just as our forebears were so fond of doing, thats how we wiped out 10,000,000 bison.

Now that I got that out of my system, once years ago, I one a lottery to hunt buffalo near Delta Junction, I'll never forget it as long as I live. We got down there, and there they were(the buffalo)standing on the other side of a fenced enclosure, I declined the opportunity, though I am sure that there are more than a few of you here, along with Mr Nugent, that wouldn't have passed it up. I was born in the bush, I've hunted and trapped almost all of my life, but I'm not a killer, its a shame that so many don't know the difference.

Art Eatman
April 22, 2012, 08:43 PM
"You're right, why have any regulations at all, lets all just do what we wish to do, when we wish too!"

Sorry, but that's just plain silly. Has nothing at all to do with much of anything.

The issue, actually, is keeping up with changes in hunting regulations from year to year. My point, above, is that it's all too easy to overlook some minor change and have no evil intent whatsoever.

As example, some years back the Texas regs were changed in some counties: Antlers had to be of a minimum width, among other things. It wasn't clear if you would or would not be charged with an offense if your "good-eye" field measurement was short by a small fraction of an inch.

"Shooting light": A half-hour before sunrise until a half-hour before sunset. Fine. How much leeway is there between your solunar tables, the game warden's opinion, and what you thought was legal?

I have trouble keeping track of just one state's regs. Lord help me if I went all over the country...

hogshead
April 22, 2012, 08:55 PM
Ted Nugent for president. He hunts he, shoots a Glock 20, has a monster truck,can shred a guitar,is not afraid to say what is on his mind whats not to love. If you don't like him quit reading the liberal media and you wont hear a word about him.

Feanor
April 22, 2012, 08:58 PM
It was intended to be a bit silly! Regardless, its each hunters duty & obligation to school themselves to the regulations, its also their moral obligation to harvest a wounded bear if humanly possible.

Freedom_fighter_in_IL
April 22, 2012, 10:20 PM
And humanly possible is my problem with the new Alaskan law. The way the law is worded, if you connect in any way whatsoever with a game animal, that animal is considered "taken" and your tag is now filled. There are MANY spots on most game animals that are non lethal and will heal up pretty quickly. The way this law is worded, even so much as a skin crease will fill your tag.

Now, that being said, I am all for one doing EVERYTHING they possibly can to recover ANY animal that has been hit. People like Ted are starting to simply just look at the video playback to see where they hit the animal to decide whether to track it or not. Rather than actually going all out to try to "hoof trail" and catch up with the injured animal to try to finish it.

As far as my likes or dislikes of Ted, he, like everyone else, has his good points and bad points. I don't like the fact that he shoots on high fence "canned" places (he actually owns a couple of them) that are too small in acreage to be considered "hunting" but thats just my opinion (as well as most other real hunters) but I do like the way he fights for our rights to be ABLE to CHOOSE.

dprice3844444
April 22, 2012, 11:19 PM
the way ted is going,he should go hunting with dick cheney

shootniron
April 22, 2012, 11:57 PM
Art Eatman


"Shooting light": A half-hour before sunrise until a half-hour before sunset. Fine. How much leeway is there between your solunar tables, the game warden's opinion, and what you thought was legal?

Art...while making the point about the regs, I think that you missed an opportunity to make a great point about "shooting light".

Many of you guys that are bashing Ted for violating a law that he either did or did not know about, think nothing of knowingly shooting a deer well past legal shooting light with that great low light scope that you have on your rifle...and spare us the self righteous denials. And, that is called HYPOCRISY.

“Hypocrisy, the lie, is the true sister of evil, intolerance, and cruelty.”

jmstevens2
April 23, 2012, 12:06 AM
Nugent's lack of ethics as a hunter is a stain on all legitimate hunters. And I do not believe for one minute that he was "unaware". Didn't care is far more likely.
Why do you assume that? There is no evidence to that other than circumstantial. I would go as far to say that the fact he produced a TV show of it demonstrates his not realizing there were any laws broken if in fact any were. He did not get where he is by being stupid. Listen to him debate, he is over the top, but he has his facts cold and can think on his feet very well.
Strong statement for an assumption on your part. Divide and conquer. Keep allowing the media anti gunners win, it obviously has worked on you. Let's hope PETA or some other group doesn't pick you for their attention someday. I think your perspective might change a bit.

Feanor
April 23, 2012, 12:32 AM
Why do you assume that? There is no evidence to that other than circumstantial. I would go as far to say that the fact he produced a TV show of it demonstrates his not realizing there were any laws broken if in fact any were

He was fined $10,000, he paid the fine, he was guilty of the violation!

jmstevens2
April 23, 2012, 12:36 AM
He was fined $10,000, he paid the fine, he was guilty of the violation!
So how does that constitute evidence that he did it "because he didn't care"? I never said anything about the violation. And people plead out guilty to avoid the expense and hassle of court every day. Guilty or not when the only threat is a fine, why not? $10,000 to him is not the same as it is to me or you possibly.

wwace
April 23, 2012, 12:58 AM
You're right, why have any regulations at all, lets all just do what we wish to do, when we wish too! I mean whats the problem with leaving a wounded bear for someone else to deal with? In fact, lets just board trains, planes, or automobiles and shoot every animal we see, just as our forebears were so fond of doing, thats how we wiped out 10,000,000 bison.

Now that I got that out of my system, once years ago, I one a lottery to hunt buffalo near Delta Junction, I'll never forget it as long as I live. We got down there, and there they were(the buffalo)standing on the other side of a fenced enclosure, I declined the opportunity, though I am sure that there are more than a few of you here, along with Mr Nugent, that wouldn't have passed it up. I was born in the bush, I've hunted and trapped almost all of my life, but I'm not a killer, its a shame that so many don't know the difference.
And when you were in Delta did you drive around on the projects actively looking for Buffalo or did you just go where Fish & Game told you to? The Buffalo at Delta are anything but penned up, the wild ones at least. Several of the farms are raising them also but these are not legal to hunt on the draw tag. The Delta herd roams freely from Black Rapids up to the barley projects and in between. It just happens that the easiest place to harvest one happens to be on the farmland.

RhinoDefense
April 23, 2012, 01:01 AM
I read the Texas wildlife regulations booklet every year. You read along and what you see is the same as last year for the first 15 of 20 items. It's all too easy to miss seeing some new change.
Here in MI, we have a "what's new" page. Think it's the second page in; after the license fees page.

cottswald
April 23, 2012, 09:38 AM
Here in MI, we have a "what's new" page.
That makes all too much sense!

Now, that being said, I am all for one doing EVERYTHING they possibly can to recover ANY animal that has been hit. People like Ted are starting to simply just look at the video playback to see where they hit the animal to decide whether to track it or not. Rather than actually going all out to try to "hoof trail" and catch up with the injured animal to try to finish it.
Freedom, that's an assumption at best. When it comes to whether or not Ted made a genuine effort to retrieve the animal, why not settle for "I don't know"? Seems like that would be closer to the truth (just sayin). Having read Ted's book Kill it and Grill it, and having heard him speak on numerous occasions, I would tend to give him the benefit of the doubt.

CoRoMo
April 23, 2012, 10:54 AM
From the article:
...yet another animal-slaying incident.
That's where I stopped reading. :rolleyes:

Sky
April 23, 2012, 11:21 AM
It is amazing how quick some are ready to turn on anyone especially when the target of their scorn can not speak or defend themselves eye to eye; not necessarily speaking about Ted but more in a generalized sense of things. Lynch mob anyone?

There is a certain segment of society who will duck their head and run away from any perceived problem/injustice because in their mind they are just to busy to get involved or be perceived to stand on any given side. Herd mentality or just getting along??....

From what I have seen of Ted (media only contact) he feels strongly in the support of the 2d and the direction the country is going. Right or wrong he certainly will let anyone who will listen know how he feels on either subject.

Throughout history there have been those who think if they keep their head down and are good then evil will bypass them...Jews, Chinese, Russians, Cambodians, can't happen in my country etc etc history 101, seemed like they never got serious until their 'wake up' bell had long since stopped ringing and they were to late for an important life's meeting.


When it is all said and done, how will history remember you? Many will remember Uncle Ted for Wounded Warrior (among other good deeds) while others will choose to remember him as a blow hard radical.

I do not personally know him and the couple of times I have seen him on his hunting program he has been a little over the top for my taste but, for someone at his age and vigor I wish him luck.

A personal observation; it only takes a small percentage of a given population who are dedicated to their cause to effect change. The herd will follow once they figure out which way the wind is blowing..
If you look at ones life like a coin you can flip it, hold and fondle all you want but it can only be spent once. He is spending his coin and when all is said and done we can look back and see what was in his shopping bag or choose not to look and say good riddance.

buck460XVR
April 23, 2012, 07:48 PM
There is a certain segment of society who will duck their head and run away from any perceived problem/injustice because in their mind they are just to busy to get involved or be perceived to stand on any given side. Herd mentality or just getting along??....

From what I have seen of Ted (media only contact) he feels strongly in the support of the 2d and the direction the country is going. Right or wrong he certainly will let anyone who will listen know how he feels on either subject.

Throughout history there have been those who think if they keep their head down and are good then evil will bypass them...Jews, Chinese, Russians, Cambodians, can't happen in my country etc etc history 101, seemed like they never got serious until their 'wake up' bell had long since stopped ringing and they were to late for an important life's meeting.

A personal observation; it only takes a small percentage of a given population who are dedicated to their cause to effect change. The herd will follow once they figure out which way the wind is blowing..
If you look at ones life like a coin you can flip it, hold and fondle all you want but it can only be spent once. He is spending his coin and when all is said and done we can look back and see what was in his shopping bag or choose not to look and say good riddance.


.............and what the 'ell does any of that rant have to do with Ted violating game laws? When I look and see into his shopping bag I see what the states of Alaska and California saw.....illegal game. And the coin Uncle Ted is spending is fines for shooting that illegal game. I don't have a clue how the "Jews, Chinese, Russians, Cambodians" fit into this. Maybe you can enlighten me?

X-Rap
April 23, 2012, 08:26 PM
All you perfect hunters who have never wounded game or violated a game law either knowing or not keep on talking, the rest should shut up and sit down.
As far as his high fence ethics, the shows I have seen in which I believe he was hunting an enclosed ranch mostly were cull hunts on small males or over abundant females. When you see this try to take into account that he hunts, that's what he does, all year. He doesn't shop at the supermarket for his meat (you know the place that gets their meat from animals raised in pens and shot in the head with an iron rod) he shoots what he eats and also donates a great deal to poor and homeless causes. I would just be guessing but I bet he takes between 50-100 large animals a year with he time he spends in the field, I also bet the trophy class animals he takes in an enclosure are a small percentage of the game he has taken over the years.
I personally have trouble when hunting ethics are discussed because the laws vary so much from state to state and to judge a bait hunter or houndsmen or others who follow a state law even though I might find it unappealing doesn't mean I should brand them unethical but neither does the simple sanctioning by a state make it so.
As far as Ted and his post on the NRA board, not many yrs ago we had a man that ran for the highest office and was on record saying that he Abhored the military and we elected him twice to be CIC, he was also a draft dodger but he and his wife as far as I know remain unrepentant.
Men like John Kerry stood before congress and told horrible lies about what their brothers were doing and helped turn the public against them while they still fought and died in the jungles of SE Asia. Many of these traitors are still haunting the halls of our government and unlike Ted they still hold their subversive views about Americas greatness, I challenge anyone to find contemporary evidence of Ted Nugent being anything but an American Patriot, he made a mistake, is contrite and stands in awe and support of Americas fighting men.
If I am incorrect please show me.

rswartsell
April 23, 2012, 08:40 PM
As far as being the face of the RKBA movement, I pray we will find someone who espouses good common sense without the need to threaten, invoke war or violate conservation law as a matter of habit.

Someone who does not invoke every single negative stereotype held by the undecided vast majority of reasonable Americans.

But then that guy would get zero interest from the press what with current media making their bucks by fanning flames and sensationalism being SOP.

I don't need to silence the Nuge, just get him out of the exclusive spotlight and add someone who doesn't resemble a cave man on a meth binge.

MCgunner
April 23, 2012, 10:49 PM
Now that I got that out of my system, once years ago, I one a lottery to hunt buffalo near Delta Junction, I'll never forget it as long as I live. We got down there, and there they were(the buffalo)standing on the other side of a fenced enclosure, I declined the opportunity, though I am sure that there are more than a few of you here, along with Mr Nugent, that wouldn't have passed it up. I was born in the bush, I've hunted and trapped almost all of my life, but I'm not a killer, its a shame that so many don't know the difference.

I've never heard of open range buffalo hunting in the 20th century. Pretty much like shooting calves. I have killed calves, led 'em into the butcher room, shot 'em in the head with a .22, went to cutting. Weren't my calves, a friend who farms, I was just helping out. I do the same thing with hogs I trap, though, just stand there with whatever I happen to be carrying and pop 'em in the head. It ain't huntin', it's killin', and when I'm through it's bar-b-queing and it's eating. What's wrong with that? I didn't let some minimum wage illegal do the work for me in a Fort Worth slaughter house?

No, I've never done a "canned hunt" for tame game. But I'd done plenty of killin' that wasn't huntin'. I didn't even mention all the chickens. Chickens are nasty. I'd clean a hundred wild ducks to avoid one chicken. But, you do it to eat. You have to kill 'em to eat 'em. I'm no vegan.

I shot this one in the trap with a Kel Tec P11. No, I didn't "hunt" him, I just killed him with my CCW.

http://i39.tinypic.com/107nclh.jpg

Feanor
April 23, 2012, 11:48 PM
I shot this one in the trap with a Kel Tec P11. No, I didn't "hunt" him, I just killed him with my CCW.

Yes, you're a killer.

wwace
April 24, 2012, 08:25 AM
I've never heard of open range buffalo hunting in the 20th century. Pretty much like shooting calves. I have killed calves, led 'em into the butcher room, shot 'em in the head with a .22, went to cutting. Weren't my calves, a friend who farms, I was just helping out. I do the same thing with hogs I trap, though, just stand there with whatever I happen to be carrying and pop 'em in the head. It ain't huntin', it's killin', and when I'm through it's bar-b-queing and it's eating. What's wrong with that? I didn't let some minimum wage illegal do the work for me in a Fort Worth slaughter house?

No, I've never done a "canned hunt" for tame game. But I'd done plenty of killin' that wasn't huntin'. I didn't even mention all the chickens. Chickens are nasty. I'd clean a hundred wild ducks to avoid one chicken. But, you do it to eat. You have to kill 'em to eat 'em. I'm no vegan.

I shot this one in the trap with a Kel Tec P11. No, I didn't "hunt" him, I just killed him with my CCW.

http://i39.tinypic.com/107nclh.jpg
Alaska has three different draw permits for Buffalo, they are by far the most wanted hunt in the state.

brnmuenchow
April 24, 2012, 09:21 AM
What ART EATMAN said.

Sav .250
April 24, 2012, 09:23 AM
Ignorance of the law (rules) is no excuse.

brnmuenchow
April 24, 2012, 11:39 AM
Ignorance of the law (rules) is no excuse.

I would have to agree with that as well, I would however not refer to someone that simply did not see/ understand something in a law like grazing an animal and it being labeled as "Tagged" and not claiming it because they could not finish tracking it as a poacher, that to me is extreme and where and to what end would that end. (Put people in prison with a felony charge of poaching because they got close enough to warrant a "Band Aid" sized wound, and did not claim it, loose a sponsorship on t.v., or get your NRA card revoked.);)

Art Eatman
April 24, 2012, 11:49 AM
Sav .250, that has to do with the issue of guilt or innocence. There is no question in this case about guilt.

The deal is that if you don't know, the issue of intent arises, which affects the punishment. That's a matter of the judge's discretion.

Example: Fifty-some years ago, I made a perfectly-safe U-turn in mid-block of a wide street in Gainesville, Florida. A cop gave me a ticket. I went to corporation court to pay my fine. The judge pointed out that had I proceeded to an intersection for the U-turn, I'd have been perfectly legal. I pointed out my intent to make a safe U-turn, which I had done. He sorta laughed, and fined me $5 instead of $25. Guilt? Yeah. Ignorance of the law? Yeah. Intent? None that was bad.

But not all judges are gentle...

I note that the more you do anything in many different jurisdictions, the greater the likelihood of screwing up somehow.

In Texas, varmint hunting on a ranch has no restrictions. Day or night, any kind of call, any kind of firearm, any light or nightscope. Don't try it in Georgia; the rules were dreamed up by a Philadelphia Lawyer.

X-Rap
April 24, 2012, 03:02 PM
Ignorance of the law (rules) is no excuse.


Sav .250, that has to do with the issue of guilt or innocence. There is no question in this case about guilt.

The deal is that if you don't know, the issue of intent arises, which affects the punishment. That's a matter of the judge's discretion.

Example: Fifty-some years ago, I made a perfectly-safe U-turn in mid-block of a wide street in Gainesville, Florida. A cop gave me a ticket. I went to corporation court to pay my fine. The judge pointed out that had I proceeded to an intersection for the U-turn, I'd have been perfectly legal. I pointed out my intent to make a safe U-turn, which I had done. He sorta laughed, and fined me $5 instead of $25. Guilt? Yeah. Ignorance of the law? Yeah. Intent? None that was bad.

But not all judges are gentle...

I note that the more you do anything in many different jurisdictions, the greater the likelihood of screwing up somehow.

In Texas, varmint hunting on a ranch has no restrictions. Day or night, any kind of call, any kind of firearm, any light or nightscope. Don't try it in Georgia; the rules were dreamed up by a Philadelphia Lawyer.

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If you spend enough time doing anything in enough different places you will probably run afoul of the law at some point. Driving is as good an example as any, I doubt many can drive across this country and cross a dozen states and know definitively all the required traffic laws. Doesn't mean you are a scofflaw or a person of questionable character.

buck460XVR
April 24, 2012, 07:32 PM
I challenge anyone to find contemporary evidence of Ted Nugent being anything but an American Patriot
If I am incorrect please show me.


Ted's own words on how he avoided the draft. Yeah a real American Patriot.....:rolleyes:

Ted Nugent is a self-confessed draft dodger. His Selective Service records are consistent with what Nugent said himself.

Here is the relevant portion of the interview from the October, 1977, edition of High Times as provided by a reporter who still had a copy in his archives:

"High Times: How did you get out of the draft?

Ted Nugent: Ted was a young boy, appearing to be a hippie but quite opposite in fact, working hard and playing hard, playing rock and roll like a deviant. People would question my sanity, I played so much. So I got my notice to be in the draft. Do you think I was gonna lay down my guitar and go play army? Give me a break! I was busy doin’ it to it. I had a career Jack. If I was walkin’ around, hippying down, getting’ loaded and pickin’ my ass like your common curs, I’d say “Hey yeah, go in the army. Beats the poop out of scuffin’ around in the gutters.” But I wasn’t a gutter dog. I was a hard workin’, motherf***n’ rock and roll musician.

I got my physical notice 30 days prior to. Well, on that day I ceased cleansing my body. No more brushing my teeth, no more washing my hair, no baths, no soap, no water. Thirty days of debris build. I stopped shavin’ and I was 18, had a little scraggly beard, really looked like a hippie. I had long hair, and it started gettin’ kinky, matted up. Then two weeks before, I stopped eating any food with nutritional value. I just had chips, Pepsi, beer-stuff I never touched-buttered poop, little jars of Polish sausages, and I’d drink the syrup, I was this side of death, Then a week before, I stopped going to the bathroom. I did it in my pants. poop, pi** the whole shot. My pants got crusted up.

See, I approached the whole thing like, Ted Nugent, cool hard-workin’ dude, is gonna wreak havoc on these imbeciles in the armed forces. I’m gonna play their own game, and I’m gonna destroy ‘em. Now my whole body is crusted in poop and pi**. I was ill. And three or four days before, I started stayin’ awake. I was close to death, but I was in control. I was extremely antidrug as I’ve always been, but I snorted some crystal methedrine. Talk about one wounded motherf****r. A guy put up four lines, and it was for all four of us, but I didn’t know and I’m vacuuming that poop right up. I was a walking, talking hunk of human poop. I was six-foot-three of sin. So the guys took me down to the physical, and my nerves, my emotions were distraught. I was not a good person. I was wounded. But as painful and nauseous as it was – ‘cause I was really into bein’ clean and on the ball – I made gutter swine hippies look like football players. I was deviano.

So I went in, and those guys in uniform couldn’t believe the smell. They were ridiculin’ me and pushin’ me around and I was cryin’, but all the time I was laughin’ to myself. When they stuck the needle in my arm for the blood test I passed out, and when I came to they were kicking me into the wall. Then they made everybody take off their pants, and I did, and this sergeant says, “Oh my God, put those back on! You f*****g swine you!” Then they had a urine test and I couldn’t pi**, but my poop was just like ooze, man, so I poop in the cup and put it on the counter. I had poop on my hand and my arm. The guy almost puked. I was so proud. I knew I had these chumps beat. The last thing I remember was wakin’ up in the ear test booth and they were sweepin’ up. So I went home and cleaned up.

They took a putty knife to me. I got the street rats out of my hair, ate some good steaks, beans, potatoes, cottage cheese, milk. A couple of days and I was ready to kick ass. And in the mail I got this big juicy 4-F. They’d call dead people before they’d call my ass. But you know the funny thing about it? I’d make an incredible army man. I’d be a colonel before you knew what hit you, and I’d have the baddest bunch of motherf****n’ killers you’d ever seen in my platoon. But I just wasn’t into it. I was too busy doin’ my own thing, you know."

cottswald
April 24, 2012, 08:00 PM
Ted Nugent is a self-confessed draft dodger. His Selective Service records are consistent with what Nugent said himself.

He's confronted with the question at 6:05 of the video. His answer should be a lesson to all of us. In fact, the entire vid is well worth watching.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HLhN4KCroq4

billdeserthills
April 24, 2012, 08:20 PM
Sure wish I knew if I was to be believing buck460's version or Cottswald's

buck460XVR
April 24, 2012, 08:32 PM
Ted Nuget did in fact have a student deferment for PART of the time he was eligible for the draft. But, in 1969 he was rejected for the draft as the result of a physical examination and given a 1-Y status. In 1971 the 1-Y status was changed to 4-F. This is from Ted's Selective Service classification record. This coincides with what he told High Times in 1977 and only partially relates to what he said in that interview with Piers Morgan in May of 2011. So, his story changes after 35 years, does not reflect what government documents show and we are supposed to believe this story and not the other? Kinda like his excuses for the taking of illegal game.

Art Eatman
April 24, 2012, 11:22 PM
Pore ol' hoss shot craps...

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